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There Are 12 Laws of Karma at Play In Your Life—Here’s What Each Means

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I struggled with where to put this:;

There Are 12 Laws of Karma at Play In Your Life—Here’s What Each Means​

But I wanted it to be a general political discussion. It's not about beliefs, really. "Karma describes the concept of getting back whatever you put forth—good or bad—into the universe. By definition, it's central to Hinduism and Buddhism for determining a person's next existence based on the ethical net of their current one. But no matter what belief system you follow (or don't), the concept of karma can factor into your life. That's because there are 12 laws of karma constantly at play, whether you realize it or not."

In our discussions, many of these concepts are simply ignored. I'm not an advocate of any faith, nor of none. I'd be interested in others' views of which of these concepts are applicable to our discussion and our politics.
 
I have no use for concepts lying beyond the grasp of current physics if they are said to operate as laws in this universe. But things so described were induced from observation. The general principle of "what goes around, comes around" is also intuitive. You don't need to deduce if you simply think about how you respond to people based on their acts. Given enough time,

Of course you'll have a bunch of interactions and outcomes if you've spent your whole life treating people like shit. (Caveat: if you're a good conman or the like, you can make sure someone else (just about) always takes the fall, so you never actually end up holding the bag.)

Of course you'll have better relationships, connections, are more likely to be helped when in need even by strangers, etc, if you are altruistic and treat people well.


It's simple probability over time, as applied to observed human nature. There are variations in circumstance. Beyond the ones outside of your control (birthplace, birth family) they become increasingly probable results of how you behave, such as the likelihood of finding yourself in a cell if you make a habit of hanging out with dangerous repeat-criminals.
 
Michael Cole said:
link to the 12?
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Crovax said:
I think you have already broke a karma law by even asking
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Crap, now he's going to wake up on what he thinks is tomorrow morning wandering a dense jungle with a waterlogged map. Except he can't explain the beard. Or whatever that animal is supposed to be.
 
Mr Person said:
I have no use for concepts lying beyond the grasp of current physics if they are said to operate as laws in this universe. But things so described were induced from observation. The general principle of "what goes around, comes around" is also intuitive. You don't need to deduce if you simply think about how you respond to people based on their acts. Given enough time,

Of course you'll have a bunch of interactions and outcomes if you've spent your whole life treating people like shit. (Caveat: if you're a good conman or the like, you can make sure someone else (just about) always takes the fall, so you never actually end up holding the bag.)

Of course you'll have better relationships, connections, are more likely to be helped when in need even by strangers, etc, if you are altruistic and treat people well.


It's simple probability over time, as applied to observed human nature. There are variations in circumstance. Beyond the ones outside of your control (birthplace, birth family) they become increasingly probable results of how you behave, such as the likelihood of finding yourself in a cell if you make a habit of hanging out with dangerous repeat-criminals.
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Agreed, but I see it a little differently. Physics has not been able to explain the human condition.

I agree with your analysis, but I think Karma is more concerned with injustice. It's an interesting subject, and though your and Crovax's comments are pretty funny, I really would like to read the 12 laws.
 
I don't want to get too caught up in semantics - the author describes them as "laws" - but as principles of behavior, rather than physical realities. As Mr Person notes, "what goes around comes around" is "1. The great law". Or as said otherwheres, "you reap what you sow". When you treat everyone badly, you get no respect.

I like #3, which is in short supply: "The law of humility" - In order to change something in your life, you first have to accept what currently exists. There are plenty that can't do that, and it doesn't work in the real world.

"5. The law of responsibility" - "The law of responsibility is about taking ownership for everything that happens in our lives, including the not-so-good stuff." Own it, including your mistakes, including my failure to supply the link. ;)
 
Michael Cole said:
Agreed, but I see it a little differently. Physics has not been able to explain the human condition.

I agree with your analysis, but I think Karma is more concerned with injustice. It's an interesting subject, and though your and Crovax's comments are pretty funny, I really would like to read the 12 laws.
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I'm not sure what you're really getting at with the opener unless you're thinking about clockwork universe vs. not. I wouldn't expect the laws of physics to explain the human condition unless there's not even a hint of free will; that instead, you could predict the future and reconstruct the past with total accuracy, even as to living beings, just so long as you had perfect information about objectively observable phenomena.

If by human condition you mean where we stand today as a species and individually or more amorphous questions like what is it to be a person and why are persons such as they are, then the above cubed.



Now on the other hand, if it's not supposed to operate like a law that what you send around will come around, say like this...
www.wellandgood.com

The 12 Laws of Karma: How They Work and Why Following Them Can Change Your Life

Learn from spirituality experts about the 12 laws of karma, where they come from, and how to apply them for the most fulfilling life.
www.wellandgood.com www.wellandgood.com
....then it sounds more like a set of deductions about human behavior and inductions about where various behaviors are likely to lead individuals. ie,
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2. The law of creation ​

The law of creation is all about—you guessed it—creating. You don’t just wait for good things to magically happen in your life; you have to actively go out there and make things happen. Gray points to the Oprahs, and Beyoncés of the world as prime examples of people who embody this karmic law. “They have used their talents, gifts, and abilities to bless the world,” she says. “They are constantly creating something, not just for the benefit of themselves but also for the benefit of others.” So, the power to create your ideality lies within you.​

If one read it as "the purpose of life is to create, so you will be rewarded for creating", I'd ask them who Vincent Van Gogh was. ("In your life" being key). Then there are all the people who created but were never famous and revered, even after death. Of course rewards are not guaranteed.

But it makes perfect sense as a general approach to life, something that's more likely to lead to success than not trying to create.
 
NWRatCon said:
I struggled with where to put this:;

There Are 12 Laws of Karma at Play In Your Life—Here’s What Each Means​

But I wanted it to be a general political discussion. It's not about beliefs, really. "Karma describes the concept of getting back whatever you put forth—good or bad—into the universe. By definition, it's central to Hinduism and Buddhism for determining a person's next existence based on the ethical net of their current one. But no matter what belief system you follow (or don't), the concept of karma can factor into your life. That's because there are 12 laws of karma constantly at play, whether you realize it or not."

In our discussions, many of these concepts are simply ignored. I'm not an advocate of any faith, nor of none. I'd be interested in others' views of which of these concepts are applicable to our discussion and our politics.
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Karma is no more real that Christianity, Islam, or Satanism and is in fact a Hindu religious tenet.
 
Mr Person said:
I'm not sure what you're really getting at with the opener unless you're thinking about clockwork universe vs. not.
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That I don't see them as physical laws. Until the OP responds, I won't know what the claim is.
Mr Person said:
I wouldn't expect the laws of physics to explain the human condition unless there's not even a hint of free will; that instead, you could predict the future and reconstruct the past with total accuracy, even as to living beings, just so long as you had perfect information about objectively observable phenomena.

If by human condition you mean where we stand today as a species and individually or more amorphous questions like what is it to be a person and why are persons such as they are, then the above cubed.



Now on the other hand, if it's not supposed to operate like a law that what you send around will come around, say like this...
www.wellandgood.com

The 12 Laws of Karma: How They Work and Why Following Them Can Change Your Life

Learn from spirituality experts about the 12 laws of karma, where they come from, and how to apply them for the most fulfilling life.
www.wellandgood.com www.wellandgood.com
....then it sounds more like a set of deductions about human behavior and inductions about where various behaviors are likely to lead individuals. ie,
​

2. The law of creation ​

The law of creation is all about—you guessed it—creating. You don’t just wait for good things to magically happen in your life; you have to actively go out there and make things happen. Gray points to the Oprahs, and Beyoncés of the world as prime examples of people who embody this karmic law. “They have used their talents, gifts, and abilities to bless the world,” she says. “They are constantly creating something, not just for the benefit of themselves but also for the benefit of others.” So, the power to create your ideality lies within you.​

If one read it as "the purpose of life is to create, so you will be rewarded for creating", I'd ask them who Vincent Van Gogh was. ("In your life" being key). Then there are all the people who created but were never famous and revered, even after death. Of course rewards are not guaranteed.

But it makes perfect sense as a general approach to life, something that's more likely to lead to success than not trying to create.
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I don't disagree with any of this. I think you were correct in mentioning probability. Negative destructive attitudes and behavior will affect those so afflicted eventually.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
Karma is no more real that Christianity, Islam, or Satanism and is in fact a Hindu religious tenet.
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Religions are real. The myths they hold aren't historical, but the philosophy behind those myths is very real, some of it timeless. Karma is but one more philosophy.
 
Michael Cole said:
Religions are real. The myths they hold aren't historical, but the philosophy behind those myths is very real, some of it timeless. Karma is but one more philosophy.
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If the "laws of Karma" were real a lots of billionaires would be in the poorhouse. They aren't. Ergo...
 
Michael Cole said:
Religions are real. The myths they hold aren't historical, but the philosophy behind those myths is very real, some of it timeless. Karma is but one more philosophy.
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My point in posting in this forum was specifically to address how the concepts - stripped of religious meaning - apply in the real world of politics, particularly.

I can add another one. During the 1970s and 80s, the Democrats had been in effective control of Congress for nearly 4 decades. As a result, they became complacent and hubristic - the opposite of humility. They reaped a lot of disaster because of that. The Republicans have now taken that mantle. The decades of this century (really, since the 90s) their approach has been highhanded and unprincipled. That, I think, is going to result in a significant swing against them.

I'm specifically not endorsing them, but using it more as a thought experiment.
 
Michael Cole said:
That I don't see them as physical laws. Until the OP responds, I won't know what the claim is.

I don't disagree with any of this. I think you were correct in mentioning probability. Negative destructive attitudes and behavior will affect those so afflicted eventually.
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I gotcha. Wanted to cover all bases. I've heard about as many takes on what "karma" is as there are people who talk about it.
 
We live in a transactional period of history. I honestly think there is a significant portion of our populace, our elected class, and posters here, who honestly don't think about the long term. I think Karma is a long term effect.
 
Well, while I don't believe in any super natural nature to "karma", it's hard to argue it isn't generally good advice.

I have to admit I'm struggling a little bit to apply what to me is personal self help advice to politics.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Well, while I don't believe in any super natural nature to "karma", it's hard to argue it isn't generally good advice.

I have to admit I'm struggling a little bit to apply what to me is personal self help advice to politics.
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The struggle is good. I agree that the OP article is a bit too self-helpy oriented, but I discerned some generally-applicable concepts that seemed appropriate to politics.
 
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