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Ther American Age is Done

SavannahMann said:
We didn’t win World War One alone.
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We just turned the tide, but others did more, longer.
SavannahMann said:
We damn sure didn’t win the Second Chapter alone.
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We got our industrial strength going and provided both the British and the Russians with the tanks and airplanes that protected them from defeat in the first few years.
SavannahMann said:
In fact until D-Day Britain had more troops fighting than we did.
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I won't count troops, but who do you think won the war in the Pacific?
SavannahMann said:
After D-Day, which was in 1944, we had more, but it was two and a half years of war before that that Britain carried the burden.
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It was more than 2-1/2 years that Britain was in the war before D-Day. Their war started in 1940. And they carried the burden in Africa and going up Italy. As for the rest of Europe, remember Dunkirk?
SavannahMann said:
So what made America Great?
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To a large extent, it was our shared belief in the greatness of America. Our overt patriotism. We had a spirit that we could do anything together. Then came the divisiveness of the left, in the 60's and growing ever since. What we have to get back is a sense of common purpose. We need to relearn to divide on ideas, not personalities. Hitler was the enemy of all of us, and what he did was more than horrible. But now we hurl his name at opponents because they have different ideas. We need to get back to one America, not the bitter two we have now.
 

You say the divisiveness of the Left. The 60’s was a turning point. But then as now Patriotism was defined one of two ways.

1) My Country is always right. That is just simply juvenile.

2) My Country right or wrong. That is monstrous.

From the ‘60’s on we started calling out our Country for doing the wrong thing. We started to live up to our propaganda. To the words and phrases that founded and formed us.

When we overthrew a democratically elected government people asked why? When we supported a barbaric totalitarian regime, we asked what the ****? When we let people suffer with VD just to see what happened, we called it inhumane.

We began to live as we talked.
 
SavannahMann said:
But then as now Patriotism was defined one of two ways.
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No, it wasn't. It was more of, "My country is strong. Together, we can overcome anything." And, together, we did.
SavannahMann said:
My Country right or wrong.
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That wasn't the question. What was good was right, and we had much more of a sense of good and bad. Today, there is no good or bad, it's "What I want to do/be." Who could have imagined, in the '40's or '50's, that California would ever pass a law saying that stealing $900 worth of goods was a trivial issue?

As a country, we didn't always do what was good. But now we seldom do.
SavannahMann said:
From the ‘60’s on we started calling out our Country for doing the wrong thing. We started to live up to our propaganda.
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You're mistaken, my friend. We said then that "If it feels good, do it." It spread to the government, and the country split.
 
I felt the BLM shouting was just as effective as shouting about Brandon.
 
All of life is a risk.
None of those predictions has happened yet,
 
jaypatriot said:
I felt the BLM shouting was just as effective as shouting about Brandon.
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Yeah, you can see a lot of streets with "BRANDON" painted in 30 foot high letters all across the country.
 

We’ve gone backwards now to the 1950’s. When we blew up nuclear bombs and exposed tens of thousands of Servicemen to fallout and Radiation to see what the long term effects were. WOW what a Great Country. Imagine that. Drafted into the Military, called to serve your Country as a Lab Animal.

At least we were strong. As we overthrew Democratically elected Governments in favor of Military Dictatorships. More of that Greatness.

Ah yes. The good old days. When we turned firehouses and dogs loose on Blacks who wanted to go to school or vote. When Minorities stayed in their neighborhoods where they belonged. When Women did what they were told. How strong we were.

Or maybe you mean we were great with Science. When the Russians beat us to space.

Perhaps you mean when we were a reliable partner. When we stood up and said no and flew supplies into Berlin for a year and a half. When we would not turn our back on a friend. And when we would stand up to any adversary. Ah yes. Those were the days.
 
People are often used to determine the effects/benefits of new devices, medicines. Since these were weapons of war, men of war were used to test them. But since we don't do that specific test any more, I don't know what you mean about going "back to the 1950's."
SavannahMann said:
As we overthrew Democratically elected Governments in favor of Military Dictatorships.
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We joined England in Iran. What else are you referring to?
SavannahMann said:
When we turned firehouses and dogs loose on Blacks who wanted to go to school or vote.
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Democrats. Bull Connor, George Wallace... Were they living up to our propaganda?
 
SavannahMann said:
When Women did what they were told.
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(Sorry. I hit the Post Reply accidentally.)
Women had a role that they had held for centuries, and the family was such that they could afford to live on one income. When they went out to work it was, at first, necessity. Then it became choice, just as raising the family had been.
SavannahMann said:
Ah yes. Those were the days.
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I have to ask for a reference of some kind to your age, only because some of what you say sounds like things you've read about, or been told. Were you in school in the 1940's?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
A lie based on something else is still a lie.
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Not in this case, and mainly because the paraphrased comment was an exaggeration of an already dumb source comment. Donnie Boy's comments about injecting disinfectant were just as dumb.
 

Look up the history of South America, Africa, hell Asia and the CIA.

Now. Isn’t it interesting that the same ideals you denigrate, properly, as Democratic in the 1960’s and 1950’s, are embraced and championed by today’s Republicans? Those States all went Red didn’t they?

Curious isn’t it?

As for testing the weapons and finding out. We knew before we built the first Bomb that Radiation killed. We knew it because the first generation of scientists died studying it. People died building the bomb from Radiation. So we knew what a lethal dose was before we did all those tests. What we wanted to know was what happened long term. When Germany did such things not to mention Japan it was a War Crime wasn’t it? Experiment on living people? But our Government, when it was Great according to you, was doing it a lot weren’t they?

How about the Tuskegee Experiment? So we let people die from Syphilis to see what the long term effects were. They certainly were not soldiers. They were Black and didn’t matter.

The CIA moving Heroine into the Black Sectors of town to control the population. Later smuggling Cocaine to fund their operations. Weren’t we great.

So what about that era do you think was great? Manufacturing and the power of the Unions? Since every factory was a Union Shop. Hoping to bring back the Unions of yesteryear?
 
SavannahMann said:
Now. Isn’t it interesting that the same ideals you denigrate, properly, as Democratic in the 1960’s and 1950’s, are embraced and championed by today’s Republicans? Those States all went Red didn’t they?
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But the ideals of 50's Democrats aren't championed by Republicans. Republicans, for example, have done more for Blacks since 1862 than Democrats have ever done. Democrats, in obedience to the Teachers' unions, deny black children the best education they are capable of. Democrats, when they had any programs for the poor, simply kept them dependent on government. Republicans gained among black voters because they helped them actually improve their lives, and the voters got fed up with Dems empty promises.
SavannahMann said:
When Germany did such things not to mention Japan it was a War Crime wasn’t it?
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Interesting that you call Mengele's "experiments" the equivalent of our developing a weapon to end the killing of millions.
SavannahMann said:
How about the Tuskegee Experiment?
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It was immoral and illegal.
 
Would we have dropped the bombs on German cities?
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Except, of course, that he never said, "inject bleach."
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Strange that Lysol had to go to all that trouble telling people not to do so. Whether or not he said those exact words, Trump’s comment on that topic and others are regularly careless and potentially harmful.
 
Lend lease supplied no more than a fraction of the tanks the Soviets used, and the domestic Soviet models were objectively better. Nor did it show up soon enough to “protect them from defeat”.
 
SavannahMann said:
The CIA moving Heroine into the Black Sectors of town to control the population. Later smuggling Cocaine to fund their operations. Weren’t we great
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You'll need a credible cite for that one.
SavannahMann said:
So what about that era do you think was great? Manufacturing and the power of the Unions? Since every factory was a Union Shop. Hoping to bring back the Unions of yesteryear?
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Manufacturing unions accomplished some good, such as the 40 hour week, paid vacations, etc. But unions grew to be ends in themselves (see also Jimmy Hoffa), dedicated more to personal political power and wealth than the benefit of their members. The unions had their day, but it's passed.

Now you've listed your litany of the ills of the country, while not saying anything about your attempts to destroy it.
 
Nickyjo said:
Strange that Lysol had to go to all that trouble telling people not to do so.
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Not strange at all, after Democrats spread their lie so widely.
 
The article overstates a real but I believe ultimately temporary danger that Trump poses. Republicans will support him out of cowardice for a while. (His core supporters will never abandon him.) But Trump’s policies will a- do some serious damage to people’s lives and welfare for a while, but b- they will not last. He will leave office and whoever follows him from either party will repair the damage as best they can.
 
Pyrite said:
Would we have dropped the bombs on German cities?
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RetiredAtLast said:
I take it you know absolutely nothing about the decision to use the bomb,
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What's apparent is this: you do not want to answer the question I asked - "Would we have dropped the bombs on German cities?"

I'm not surprised you evade responding to it.
 
This won't happen if vance succeeds trump. (Quite likely true as well for any other GOPer.)
 
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