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Theocracy thanks to liberals who refused to vote for Hillary

Hilarious.

The DNC literally had to conspire with the Clinton campaign to beat Bernie Sanders, she was that ****ing inept as a candidate. Then the Clinton campaign had to work with the leftist media to spin their bullshit Trump/Russia narrative built on an already known and proven fabricated lie and STILL with the media dedication the bulk of their air time in attacks on Trump and pumping up HRC, she still lost.

She was a shit candidate. Even with all the idiot leftists and muttonheaded 'Never Trumpers' she still couldnt pull enough votes to win...and you blame the liberal voters for that?
 
Craig234 said:
Ya, you thought the third party might win. Way to go. Since you're ignoring the content of my post, there's no discussion to be had. You're ranting.
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He has more in common with Trump supporters than democrats. Both @Real Korimyr #9 and Trump supporters do little more than portray themselves as victimized patriots. They are not victimized and are far from being (or knowing the definition of) patriots.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
If everyone could go back in time to the 2020 election Trump would win in a landslide, or at least one big enough that blue city officials couldn’t fix
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You're opinion is dramatically divorced from what facts support. You might want to reevaluate your information stream. Your opinion indicates it is narrow, radicalized.

Trump is a racist who "finished" off the consecutive nominations to he Supreme Court by two G.O.P. POTUS of four white male Roman Catholics capped off by
Trump's G.O.P. nomination of a fifth consecutive white Roman Catholic, a "handmaid," of a religious cult of 1750 in which the women submit to and are "headed by"
their males spouses who in turn are "headed by" a commission of eleven males all chosen by the males of the group.

Trump also nominated 54 of the 179 federal circuit, AKA appellate court judges, none of Trump's nominees black, one hispanic.

All of those combined 59 nominees by Trump to the nation's two highest courts were provided by lists of names authored by Leonard Leo, as Trump had
promised during his 2016 campaign.

The Secrets of Leonard Leo, the Man Behind Trump's ...​

https://www.thedailybeast.com › the-secrets-of-leonard-...
Jul 9, 2018 — Leo was the director of Liberty Central, a Tea Party affiliated group he co-founded with Ginni Thomas, wife of Clarence Thomas, that organized a ...

Leonard Leo - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Leonard_Leo
Leo led campaigns to support the Supreme Court nominations of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.




 
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Craig234 said:
Ya, you thought the third party might win. Way to go. Since you're ignoring the content of my post, there's no discussion to be had. You're ranting.
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No, I thought the third party might get the five percent of the vote necessary to qualify for Federal matching funds and we might sometime in my lifetime have options other than Classic Fascism and Diet Fascism in the ballot box.

You are in denial of the fact that our "two party" political system has robbed the American people of any meaningful control over their own destiny, and all of this dogmatic lesser of two evils bullshit is designed to keep you from questioning why and how that has been allowed to occur. As long as we think those two parties are the only two legitimate choices, and that they can't realistically be unseated, both parties will always be able to control their own bases and independent voters by threatening them with the other.

And... besides the sour grapes of a privileged elite who overplayed their hand, that's all this garbage fire of a thread is: "It rubs the Clinton on its skin, or else it gets the Trump again. It votes for Joe Biden; it does this whenever it is told."

I may not be able to change the system all by myself... but at least I'm not sitting here trying to justify it while it's blaming me for the consequences of its failure. They ran a candidate who was going to give us nothing, and we endured the worst President in our lifetimes-- if not American history-- and then they ran an ancient and ineffectual relic of a bygone age, Obama's life insurance policy, because if progressive voters didn't vote for the candidate they didn't want, they'll definitely vote for a candidate they want even less.

Don't you get it yet? They're not willing to offer us anything for the loyalty they believe they're entitled to, and they're not going to learn their lesson as long as "not being Trump" is enough to make us hold our noses and vote.
 
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Continued from my last post,

Leo's "List" All white, all right...



"No one has been more dedicated to the enterprise of building a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade than the Federalist Society's Leonard Leo," conservative writer and lawyer Ed Whelan wrote in the National Review.

To truly understand how we got to this moment and how Leo grew to have so much personal influence over who now sits on the nation's highest court, you must first know about "the list."

The list​

Former President Donald Trump was quick to take credit for the demise of Roe v. Wade on Friday.

In a statement released hours after the Supreme Court decision, he said it was only possible because he "delivered everything as promised, including nominating and getting three highly respected and strong constitutionalists confirmed to the United States Supreme Court."

Those three justices were Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett — all of whom voted to overturn Roe. And all of whom were, at some point, on a much publicized list of potential SCOTUS nominees that Trump publicly shared.

A list that was personally curated by Leo.

What began with 11 names continued to grow and change throughout Trump's 2016 campaign and eventual presidency. The list helped Trump sway skeptical conservative voters who were unsure if he would represent their beliefs in office — especially anti-abortion beliefs, said Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus, who has written about the Federalist Society and Leo in her book, Supreme Ambition: Brett Kavanaugh and the Conservative Takeover.

"It was a way of saying to conservative and evangelical voters, 'See, I'm one of you,'" she said.

It was also part of Leo and the Federalist Society's ongoing plan to change the makeup of the court.

"The Federalist Society is a one-stop shopping network for identifying, helping promote, credentialing, and supporting conservative lawyers. And in the end, turning them into conservative judicial nominees, and then conservative judges," Marcus said..."

Five white Roman Catholic nominees "suggested" by Leonard Leo to Bush and Trump by Leonard Leo, close friend to the most corrupt cabinet member of
any POTUS's administration since Warren Harding's, Scott Pruitt.


Leonard Leo - Wikipedia​

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Leonard_Leo
Leo led campaigns to support the Supreme Court nominations of John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.
 
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Excellent commentary .................... Thank the DNC for screwing Bernie who was the most popular candidate because Bernie relates to the majority. Now we know the RNC and DNC cannot be trusted as both have deviated from smart and practical politics instead moving toward a more conservative deceptive choice aka status quo. Blame the leadership of RNC and DNC for choosing deception thus blowing off the majority.
 
Real Korimyr #9 said:
Well, that is a certainly a belief. Biden might be a bit of a placeholder (at best) but at least he's not an active, ongoing threat to the rule of law.
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Clarence Thomas, "dancing with himself"? IOW... has Clarence Thomas "created this Court in his own image and likeness"?

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In 1990, Leo became a clerk for a U.S. Court of Appeals judge in Washington, D.C., where he met Clarence Thomas, then an appellate judge. The two became close friends.

After his clerkship, Leo joined the Federalist Society as one of its first paid employees. But he delayed the start date to help Thomas through his contentious confirmation process for the Supreme Court..."

2010: Curiously, Leonard Leo acting as spokesperson for Teaparty sensation, Ginni Thomas, LOL!

Link to archived image of this article, https://archive.ph/n0DCP

What is Ginni Thomas saying now? The evolution of an ...​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › style › 2018/12/26
Dec 27, 2018 — When his former colleague Anita Hill accused him of sexual ... Ginni Thomas counts as a mentor Leonard Leo, the Federalist Society leader ...

Ginni Thomas reportedly quits group

But Liberty Central's general counsel disputes the story, saying "there is no agreement at this time."
www.politico.com
November 16, 2010
"..Leonard Leo, a Liberty Central board member, said Thomas has had conversations with multiple tea party-related organizations about possible partnerships or mergers, but that no decisions have been made.

“There have been absolutely no discussions with the board about her stepping down,” stressed Leo, an executive at the conservative Federalist Society and longtime friend of Thomas and her husband.

“The bottom line is she hasn’t made any decisions about what she wants to do and I don’t think just knowing her and knowing what’s transpired over the last few months that she’s going to make any decisions based on a spat of press stories about a single phone call that she made. That’s not her personality and that’s not how she would make a business decision.”

Thomas attracted additional attention last month when it was revealed that she had left a voicemail for Anita Hill, the woman who accused her husband of sexual harassment when he was being confirmed for the high court. Thomas left the message, in which she asked Hill for an apology 19 years after her 1991 accusations, on Hill’s work mailbox at Brandeis University where she is a professor..."




A Guide to the Eighteen Federal Investigations Faced by ...​

https://capaction.medium.com › a-guide-to-the-sixteen-...
Jun 25, 2018 — Scott Pruitt resigned as Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency effective July 6, 2018. He was only in office for 500 days, ...
 
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That's a problem, but it's not the problem I'm talking about here. Criminals getting away with breaking the law... aren't really a threat to the rule of law, even if they occupy high offices. Politicians using their offices to commit and get away with personal, petty crimes isn't a threat to the rule of law.

It's when the office itself acts in defiance of the legal duties and limits of its position, when the government breaks the law against the people, that it's a threat.
 
I've waited until you were done shitting all over Hillary. I hope you will agree she would not be "wiggling toes" with Mitch, at this juncture....
(Just "how left" are you, anyway? Clinton was not the only democratic party senator to misplace faith in the integrity of the intel community before deciding
to vote for the war powers resolution requested by Bush in 2002, and she sure got Agnew n' Dick, right, 2-1/2 years before the electorate literally fell off a cliff in the Nixon sweep in 1972. Corporatist? Sure, to an extent, but still the only woman in U.S. history to accomplish the nearly impossible goal of a major party nomination. You sounded like the author of "Clinton Cash," and I do not think that is who you are and I am confident you certainly don't think so, either.)





 
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With respect:

The highlighted part is where your logic and reasoning completely failed. Voting for the least bad candidate is one of many reasons as to why the presidential election system sucks. You want people to vote for who they don't want, and not vote for who they want, which reinforces the y system.
 
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(Just "how left" are you, anyway? Clinton was not the only democratic party senator to misplace faith in the integrity of the intel community before deciding
to vote for the war powers resolution requested by Bush in 2002,
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She was not, and I voted for Kerry in the caucus of 2004, when I was much further right. It wouldn't be much of an issue, on its own, but it's not on its own. I was a right-wing lunatic growing up, perfectly timed with the beginning and the end of the (Bill) Clinton years. Thing is, at the time I remember the "left" and even the establishment Democrats screaming to high heavens that the intel was bad, and pure astonishment that the Senate Democrats went along with it.

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Corporatist? Sure, to an extent, but still the only woman in U.S. history to accomplish the nearly impossible goal of a major party nomination.
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That's a very impressive accomplishment, yes, and I couldn't take that away from her if I tried. But like President Obama before her, everyone seemed to believe that fact alone should compel me to vote for her. It just... doesn't have anything to do with why I would or wouldn't vote for her. I can't imagine who their counterparts on the Right would have been-- that's telling-- but imagine that they'd never run for office, and it's 2032 and Marjorie Taylor-Green is the first woman on the top of a major Presidential ticket.

I'm not comparing the two officials. I'm saying the "historical accomplishment" doesn't do anything for the fact that neither of them has anything to offer me, ideologically or in terms of my quality of life. I've... already run down the list once today, I think in this thread, of all the ways she isn't what I want from the Democrats... and all the reasons I donate money to gun rights orgs (not the NRA) every time I vote for the Democrats.

Thing is... a few Democrats and a whole lot of Independents told the Democratic Party they wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton with a gun to their head and... well, the Democratic Party didn't even put a gun to their heads and they were shocked that those people did not, in fact, vote for Hillary Clinton. It was a 100% unforced error that... basically, the entire country tried to warn them about.

It doesn't matter who wins the elections, because the country always moves further to the Right afterwards. I'm not going to live to see the presidential debates of 2056, when Governor Obama tells the American people she loved her father, honors her father... but she would have been a Trump supporter in 2020, and has only been a Democrat since the Thirties because the Republicans have moved so far to the Right.
 
Though they are far, far from equal. DNC has big problems but is far better.
 
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