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THAT'S called a "dodge". Cite, chapter and verse. I challenge the assertion.
Goddamn I hate privatization "experts".
They go into song and dance about this or that government agency losing money but when it comes to evidence that the privatized replacement has driven performance down, costs up and waste and fraud are running rampant, they just repeat the song and dance about government not being able to do anything right.
I refuse to pay eight bucks to mail a letter and fifteen bucks to mail a DVD when fifty cents is okay for a letter and three bucks is okay for the DVD.
The financial statements also show that absent those annual $5Bn payments, USPS would be either in the black, break even or only slightly in the red.
I'm not interested in doing a deep dive on the purpose of the early postal service. It really isn't historically disputed and its not really something I'm even interested in debating to be honest with you. I'm not going to troll through volumes of the minutes of the Philadelphia Convention, Elliots Debates, Founders' letters and the like to prove the obvious.
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In 1893, postal system and telegraph and telephone services were brought together to form the Staatsbedrijf der Posterijen, Telegrafie en Telefonie (approximately, “National corporation for Postage, Telegraphy and Telephony”), shortened to PTT, under the Ministry of Agriculture, Industry and Commerce.
No, they do things more efficiently. Actually right now what we're accomplishing is we're essentially subsidizing the creation of ****ing garbage.
In the grand scheme of things, low volume mailers are subsidizing high volume mailers.
I don't know about anyone else but the above* looks to me like a decline in both service and performance.
And that is, in my humble opinion, our future as well if Trump succeeds in destroying the USPS.
And by the way, you STILL have not told anyone what will happen to all those billions the USPS already PAID IF Trump shuts them down.
I say that is exactly what will happen, because there is nothing in the text of the PAEA to STOP HIM from doing so.
And if that is okay with you along with costs like eight and fifteen bucks minimum to mail anything...I dunno, sounds like it sucks ass to me.
If they do things more efficiently then you can explain why private prisons are suing states for empty beds.
If they don't do things more efficiently than you can explain why Trabants suck?
Focus
You need to read some Bastiat
And now they don't need subsidy. https://annualreport.postnl.nl/2019/performance-statements/financial-statements
But that's not what it would cost and in any event the people who mail things should pay the full loaded cost of mailing those things.
That's simply not true. It's awfully convenient that when you are challenged about your false statements it is simply "inconvenient" to back them up with facts.No, absent those payments they lost nearly $2bn in 2018 off of $70bn in revenue and that loss widened in 2019 to $3.5bn in 2019
It would be far more believable if you simply admitted you didn't care about facts to begin with. Then I could have put you on ignore and skipped the nonsense.I'm not interested in doing a deep dive on the purpose of the early postal service. It really isn't historically disputed and its not really something I'm even interested in debating to be honest with you. I'm not going to troll through volumes of the minutes of the Philadelphia Convention, Elliots Debates, Founders' letters and the like to prove the obvious.
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The Postal Clause does not require the government to run a postal service, it permits it, nothing more. The federal government can absolutely privatize USPS tomorrow.
That's simply not true. It's awfully convenient that when you are challenged about your false statements it is simply "inconvenient" to back them up with facts.
It would be far more believable if you simply admitted you didn't care about facts to begin with. Then I could have put you on ignore and skipped the nonsense.
Now you're calling the USPS a Trabant.
This is past the point of making any sense.
That's just a fancier version of Trumper "do your research".
for the end users, not so much.
No I was mocking you bringing up private prisons.
Right now the end service costs more than the end users are actually paying for it. If the end users value the service, they should be willing to pay more.
But instead you want to pull a subsidy from somebody else to make up the difference.
Know that $2.11/gal you pay at the pump? The US taxpayer has been underwriting subsidies for decades.
You got nothing. You know there's another dozen examples of privatization messing up good public services
Those private services are not held to anywhere close to the same standards as the USPS.See: UPS/Fedex and every other freight service in an industry that is hundreds of billions of dollars, mostly with profitable companies actually producing taxation instead of consuming it.
USPS is NOT a public good.
Those private services are not held to anywhere close to the same standards as the USPS.
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