The US Constitution is Incapable of Dealing with Racism in America.

[Montgomery]

It's all indicating a breakdown of the US system and the US Constitution has no way of dealing with the issue.

Of necessity to hold the union together, the US Constitution was devised and written to appease all of the individual states/ parties. It's quite likely that made it incapable of dealing with racism in a sure and final way.

Other countries lost their right to hold slaves and were able to deal with the issue more thoroughly. America didn't put the matter to bed and now it's stuck with the problem in the 21st. century, where demands of humanity are calling for the issue to be rectified. And America seems to be resisting coming to an answer.
Hence, the tyranny of the Trump regime that has rode the issue into the WH, to his advantage.

Can the US Constitution save the country? Is it equipped with the necessary means to stop an authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule? Or will some other mechanism need to deal with the problem?

 

[Emily L]

Montgomery, I'm not a Constitutional scholar (nor any other kind of scholar) but I think that any issue that Constitution doesn't address directly (e.g., abortion, immigration, "Teen Titans Go!") can be dealt with by the Congress, the courts, the presidency and our election process. Racism is complicated because it is sometimes difficult to define, identify and remedy--partly because it is an attitude thing with such deep roots. It's not hopeless, it's just not easy.

 

[NatMorton]

Can the US Constitution save the country? Is it equipped with the necessary means to stop an authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule? Or will some other mechanism need to deal with the problem?

Um, your post is about four years too late. A Constitutionally defined process has shown President Trump the door.

 

[Rich2018]

The Constitution was written when slavery was legal, it is natural that, in its original form, it would reflect that

But the Constitution has been amended to outlaw prejudice on racial grounds.

"The Right to Equal Protection is a concept that was introduced into the Constitution of the United States during the American Civil War. It is intended to protect the rights provided by the United States Constitution for all individuals regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, etc. "

Right to equal protection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

 

[NatMorton]

Can·a·di·ans
/kəˈnādēəns/
plural noun

1. A thin membrane of very polite, very white, mostly harmless people living within one hundred miles of the boarder with the contiguous United States.

 

[Rich2018]

Can·a·di·ans
/kəˈnādēəns/
plural noun

1. A thin membrane of very polite, very white, mostly harmless people living within one hundred miles of the boarder with the contiguous United States.

*border

 

[NatMorton]

*border

A frequent typo of mine. I never see it.

 

[Rich2018]

A frequent typo of mine. I never see it.

I know, when you type the wrong, but similar sounding word, your spellchecker doesn't pick it up

There are grammar checkers though

For myself, I have a propensity to emphasis words by CAPITALIZING them, that also defeats my spellchecker.

 

[Lisa]

It's all indicating a breakdown of the US system and the US Constitution has no way of dealing with the issue.

Of necessity to hold the union together, the US Constitution was devised and written to appease all of the individual states/ parties. It's quite likely that made it incapable of dealing with racism in a sure and final way.

Other countries lost their right to hold slaves and were able to deal with the issue more thoroughly. America didn't put the matter to bed and now it's stuck with the problem in the 21st. century, where demands of humanity are calling for the issue to be rectified. And America seems to be resisting coming to an answer.
Hence, the tyranny of the Trump regime that has rode the issue into the WH, to his advantage.

Can the US Constitution save the country? Is it equipped with the necessary means to stop an authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule? Or will some other mechanism need to deal with the problem?

Does the 14th Amendment and the 1964 Civil Rights Act mean anything to you? If social and religious conservatives would stop looking for holes and trying to turn back the clock to 1859 we would not have to keep revisiting this problem once a generation. Treat others as you want others to treat them regardless of race, color, gender, sex, orientation, ancestry, age, disability, language, religious beliefs, or lack thereof. Do I need to explain the Golden Rule to you or is it sufficiently easy to understand that you can do it yourself?

Who are the fascists that you are referring to?

Can·a·di·ans
/kəˈnādēəns/
plural noun

1. A thin membrane of very polite, very white, mostly harmless people living within one hundred miles of the boarder with the contiguous United States.

I much prefer Canuks to Trump supporters or any number of militia types that he has instigated. They are exceedingly polite and well educated.

 

[j brown's body]

The Constitution was written when slavery was legal, it is natural that, in its original form, it would reflect that

But the Constitution has been amended to outlaw prejudice on racial grounds.

"The Right to Equal Protection is a concept that was introduced into the Constitution of the United States during the American Civil War. It is intended to protect the rights provided by the United States Constitution for all individuals regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, etc. "

Right to equal protection - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Interestingly, the GOP doesn't care much for these Reconstruction amendments that they, themselves, gave to the country.

 

[Bullseye]

It's all indicating a breakdown of the US system and the US Constitution has no way of dealing with the issue.

Of necessity to hold the union together, the US Constitution was devised and written to appease all of the individual states/ parties. It's quite likely that made it incapable of dealing with racism in a sure and final way.

Other countries lost their right to hold slaves and were able to deal with the issue more thoroughly. America didn't put the matter to bed and now it's stuck with the problem in the 21st. century, where demands of humanity are calling for the issue to be rectified. And America seems to be resisting coming to an answer.
Hence, the tyranny of the Trump regime that has rode the issue into the WH, to his advantage.

Can the US Constitution save the country? Is it equipped with the necessary means to stop an authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule? Or will some other mechanism need to deal with the problem?

How specifically do you think we should deal with racism in a “sure and final way”? Who is this “authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule”? Do you even know what “fascist rule” is?

 

[Rich2018]

Interestingly, the GOP doesn't care much for these Reconstruction amendments that they, themselves, gave to the country.

No, it wants to keep voting down to a minimum.

 

[rocket88]

Interestingly, the GOP doesn't care much for these Reconstruction amendments that they, themselves, gave to the country.

They're the "Party of Lincoln" yet are against much of what he stood for.

 

[TheParser]

No Constitution can deal with "racism."

Because of a terrible mistake that British colonists made in 1619, Americans in 2020 are simply experiencing the inevitable consequences.

The situation will NEVER be resolved.

It is intractable.

So long as there is a "United States of America," there will be "racism."

 

[NatMorton]

Why do people continue to believe racism is particularly American? Racism is a human failing, and you only need travel the world some to see it.

In fact, one can argue America has become the least racist country on the planet. Doubt this? Please name for me another major power that has freely elected to its highest office a member of a historically oppressed minority. You don't see many colored faces in senior leadership roles in Europe. You don't see ethnic minorities running the show in Asia.

We have problems, surely, but we are not uniquely -- or even particularly -- racist.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

It's all indicating a breakdown of the US system and the US Constitution has no way of dealing with the issue.

Of necessity to hold the union together, the US Constitution was devised and written to appease all of the individual states/ parties. It's quite likely that made it incapable of dealing with racism in a sure and final way.

Other countries lost their right to hold slaves and were able to deal with the issue more thoroughly. America didn't put the matter to bed and now it's stuck with the problem in the 21st. century, where demands of humanity are calling for the issue to be rectified. And America seems to be resisting coming to an answer.
Hence, the tyranny of the Trump regime that has rode the issue into the WH, to his advantage.

Can the US Constitution save the country? Is it equipped with the necessary means to stop an authoritarian who is intent of fascist rule? Or will some other mechanism need to deal with the problem?

THe constitution was born of racism, sooo that’s tricky.

Founding fathers believed in power and wealth, and rigging the game. Constitution allows just enough “freedoms” while giving the reigns to the powers that be to pull it all back when they want.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Why do people continue to believe racism is particularly American? Racism is a human failing, and you only need travel the world some to see it.

In fact, one can argue America has become the least racist country on the planet. Doubt this? Please name for me another major power that has freely elected to its highest office a member of a historically oppressed minority. You don't see many colored faces in senior leadership roles in Europe. You don't see ethnic minorities running the show in Asia.

We have problems, surely, but we are not uniquely -- or even particularly -- racist.

White supremacy is specific to this country’s history. If you’re white and living in America, you have advantages over non-whites. White male = get out of jail free card.

 

[NatMorton]

White supremacy is specific to this country’s history. If you’re white and living in America, you have advantages over non-whites. White male = get out of jail free card.

You need both to read and travel more.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You need both to read and travel more.

This doesn’t mean anything, so I’m just gonna explain stuff to you a little more, have a seat, bud.

We just witnessed every one of Trump’s cronies get released from jail/charges dropped because he interfered on their behalf while he raced the clock to execute Black folks.

This is just a “wit large” version of how our justice system works. The only folks who deny this are those that benefit from it - those be the white folks.

(Feel free to get up, stretch your legs a bit)

 

[NatMorton]

This doesn’t mean anything, so I’m just gonna explain stuff to you a little more, have a seat, bud.

We just witnessed every one of Trump’s cronies get released from jail/charges dropped because he interfered on their behalf while he raced the clock to execute Black folks.

This is just a “wit large” version of how our justice system works. The only folks who deny this are those that benefit from it - those be the white folks.

(Feel free to get up, stretch your legs a bit)

No need for explanations. You’re no mystery.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

No need for explanations. You’re no mystery.

Based on your posts regarding the constitution, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

So, let’s deal with your anecdotal question: If some of our best friends were recently black and president, HOOOOOW can this country be racist?

Easy: the problem isn’t an outlier of success, the problem is how is the average day to day nobody, like most of us, being treated by the system? When a white guy or gal gets pulled over by a cop, they probably groan and start fishing for their stuff. They might even tell him/her they should be out “chasing real criminals”.

Black men? Hands on the wheel at all times. Do as told. Don’t talk back. (And a great many times stopped simply for the violation of driving while Black)

This is an example, but it plays out in any number of ways, scenarios, and language used to describe peope. I bet in your everyday life you define down non-white folks without even realizing it.

 

[NatMorton]

So, let’s deal with your anecdotal question: If some of our best friends were recently black and president, HOOOOOW can this country be racist?

You can stop there as you've built a straw man. I never said there isn't racism in America. I said relative to other nations, America exhibits less racism. Or perhaps more accurately, the US is more open about both discussing its racism and doing something about it. If you doubt this, perhaps you'd like to tell us which first world countries you believe are materially less racist than the US.

Try to read what's been written, and try to stop being such a woke yahoo, and perhaps it's you who will learn something.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You can stop there as you've built a straw man. I never said there isn't racism in America. I said relative to other nations, America exhibits less racism. Or perhaps more accurately, the US is more open about both discussing its racism and doing something about it. If you doubt this, perhaps you'd like to tell us which first world countries you believe are materially less racist than the US.

Try to read what's been written, and try to stop being such a woke yahoo, and perhaps it's you who will learn something.

This doesn’t mean anything. How much racism do we exhibit in relation to our own people is the only context this conversation belongs in. We don’t compare our freedoms to other countries when discussing 2A or abortion or or. But for some reason on racism, ya’ll want get out of jail free cards.

Yes, our nation did something about racism: we elected a racist in 2016 who spent his first year in office praising nazis and his final year in office fighting for Confederate monuments and asking racist groups like the Proud Bois to stand by.

Man o man do we do stuff about racism like you wouldn’t believe.

 

[NatMorton]

This doesn’t mean anything. How much racism do we exhibit in relation to our own people is the only context this conversation belongs in. We don’t compare our freedoms to other countries when discussing 2A or abortion or or. But for some reason on racism, ya’ll want get out of jail free cards.

Yes, our nation did something about racism: we elected a racist in 2016 who spent his first year in office praising nazis and his final year in office fighting for Confederate monuments and asking racist groups like the Proud Bois to stand by.

Man o man do we do stuff about racism like you wouldn’t believe.

How we compare may not mean anything to you, but it certainly means something to others here in this thread; hence the discussion. I would argue if we are to continue to make progress, understanding whether the US is doing a better or worse job than our national peers combating the human failing of racism is important to know.

If, however, all one cares about is grandstanding when discussing race issues, then I agree, whether the US is on the right or wrong path is largely immaterial.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

How we compare may not mean anything to you, but it certainly means something to others here in this thread; hence the discussion. I would argue if we are to continue to make progress, understanding whether the US is doing a better or worse job than our national peers combating the human failing of racism is important to know.

If, however, all one cares about is grandstanding when discussing race issues, then I agree, whether the US is on the right or wrong path is largely immaterial.

This is not how a nation charts its progress, and it certainly hasn’t been how we chart ours in any area, for good reason. I mean, say a dipshit conservative is making an economic argument, a bad one per usual. “Well, we’re not as commie as China, so I guess the Dems are good at capitalism, they just need some work” said no conservative ever.

Your last sentence is super funny: only by ignoring racism in *this* country, can we move past it.