In recent discussions in other threads, many on the pro-choice side have objected to the use of the term "Unborn Child" as intellectual dishonesty. So, I did a little research on where the term is commonly used to show it's validity in addition to the mere definition of the word child, which clearly lists human fetus as one of the definitions in every dictionary I've been able to find.
These links are only meant to show how common the term is.
YouTube - To my unborn child - Tupac
Shooting victim loses unborn child | WTNH.com Connecticut
A Love Letter To My Unborn Child, Children Poems
Is It Ok For My Unborn Baby To Have Hiccups So Often?
Woman Sentenced In Crash That Killed Unborn Baby - wcco.com
Kaddish for an unborn child - Google Books
Here's a really good one: Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 -- Laci and Conner's Law
How Smoking Affects Your Unborn Child
There are a couple of thousand references to unborn child that do not directly result from abortion arguments, these are only a few.
Now for definitions:
Child | Define Child at Dictionary.com
Child - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
child: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
child - Definition of child at YourDictionary.com
Since human fetus is clearly one of the definitions in every reference of child, and the term is used quite broadly in many contexts throughout the English language, what is the real reason that Pro-Choicers object so strongly to it's use in abortion arguments? Is this intellectual dishonesty? I think so.
In recent discussions in other threads, many on the pro-choice side have objected to the use of the term "Unborn Child" as intellectual dishonesty. So, I did a little research on where the term is commonly used to show it's validity in addition to the mere definition of the word child, which clearly lists human fetus as one of the definitions in every dictionary I've been able to find.
These links are only meant to show how common the term is.
YouTube - To my unborn child - Tupac
Shooting victim loses unborn child | WTNH.com Connecticut
A Love Letter To My Unborn Child, Children Poems
Is It Ok For My Unborn Baby To Have Hiccups So Often?
Woman Sentenced In Crash That Killed Unborn Baby - wcco.com
Kaddish for an unborn child - Google Books
Here's a really good one: Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 -- Laci and Conner's Law
How Smoking Affects Your Unborn Child
There are a couple of thousand references to unborn child that do not directly result from abortion arguments, these are only a few.
Now for definitions:
Child | Define Child at Dictionary.com
Child - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
child: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
child - Definition of child at YourDictionary.com
Since human fetus is clearly one of the definitions in every reference of child, and the term is used quite broadly in many contexts throughout the English language, what is the real reason that Pro-Choicers object so strongly to it's use in abortion arguments? Is this intellectual dishonesty? I think so.
Child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty. The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority. "Child" may also describe a relationship with a parent or authority figure, or signify group membership in a clan, tribe, or religion; it can also signify being strongly affected by a specific time, place, or circumstance, as in "a child of nature" or "a child of the Sixties."[1]
Legal, biological, and social definitions
Population aged under 15 years in 2005The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier."[2] Ratified by 192 of 194 member countries. Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood. Children generally have less rights than adults and are classed as not able to make serious decisions, and legally must always be under the care of a responsible adult.
And to your sister who miscarried in her 6th month, you would say, "I'm so sorry your lost your fetus." Give me a break. And why on EARTH does it matter???
i say brain starting to function, whenever that is, seeing as that is the factor when we decide when someone dies the law calls it brain death.I'll answer my own question. It MATTERS to ProChoice people because even they do not like the idea of killing a child. Or a baby. And they shouldn't. "Keep emotion out of it 'cause I really can't stand the thought."
Just to reiterate my position. I'm ProChoice but would like to see more restrictions put on a timeline. Four months is plenty of time for a woman to decide whether or not she wants to keep a baby. Medical reasons? Birth defects? Another kettle of fish. But, generally, I think I can live with four months -- even though babies won't.
I'll answer my own question. It MATTERS to ProChoice people because even they do not like the idea of killing a child. Or a baby. And they shouldn't. "Keep emotion out of it 'cause I really can't stand the thought."
Just to reiterate my position. I'm ProChoice but would like to see more restrictions put on a timeline. Four months is plenty of time for a woman to decide whether or not she wants to keep a baby. Medical reasons? Birth defects? Another kettle of fish. But, generally, I think I can live with four months -- even though babies won't.
Game, set, match, and entire tournament!
Child - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Biologically, a child (plural: children) is generally a human between the stages of birth and puberty. The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority. "Child" may also describe a relationship with a parent or authority figure, or signify group membership in a clan, tribe, or religion; it can also signify being strongly affected by a specific time, place, or circumstance, as in "a child of nature" or "a child of the Sixties."[1]
Legal, biological, and social definitions
Population aged under 15 years in 2005The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child defines a child as "a human being below the age of 18 years unless under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier."[2] Ratified by 192 of 194 member countries. Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood. Children generally have less rights than adults and are classed as not able to make serious decisions, and legally must always be under the care of a responsible adult.
Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia compiled by a distributed network of volunteers, has often come under attack by academics as being shoddy and full of inaccuracies. Even Wikipedia’s founder, Jimmy Wales, says he wants to get the message out to college students that they shouldn’t use it for class projects or serious research.
You're right, no one likes the idea of killing a child or baby. But when most people hear the words "child" or "baby", they immediately envision a BORN "child" or "baby". And that is why pro-lifers are INSISTING upon calling a zef a "child" or "baby." If it doesn't matter to your cause, why don't you use the accurate terms?
Most people have no problems with a 4 month deadline. I would prefer pushing it to 20 weeks, since the brain development at that time is not such that I would consider the zef a person.
`Sec. 1841. Protection of unborn children
`(a)(1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.
In a 1961 New Jersey case,2 decided prior to Roe vs. Wade the custody of an unborn child was awarded to the county welfare department after the child's birth. In this case, the court held that the parents, in refusing, on religious grounds, to consent to a blood transfusion for the child immediately after its birth, where expert medical opinion and the history of the wife's past pregnancies indicated that a blood transfusion would be essential to save the infant's life, were neglecting to provide the child with proper protection. The court held that it had jurisdiction to award custody of the child for purposes of administering a blood transfusion immediately after birth. The court stated, "It is now settled that an unborn child's right to life and health is entitled to legal protection even if it is not viable.
In recent discussions in other threads, many on the pro-choice side have objected to the use of the term "Unborn Child" as intellectual dishonesty. So, I did a little research on where the term is commonly used to show it's validity in addition to the mere definition of the word child, which clearly lists human fetus as one of the definitions in every dictionary I've been able to find.
These links are only meant to show how common the term is.
YouTube - To my unborn child - Tupac
Shooting victim loses unborn child | WTNH.com Connecticut
A Love Letter To My Unborn Child, Children Poems
Is It Ok For My Unborn Baby To Have Hiccups So Often?
Woman Sentenced In Crash That Killed Unborn Baby - wcco.com
Kaddish for an unborn child - Google Books
Here's a really good one: Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 -- Laci and Conner's Law
How Smoking Affects Your Unborn Child
There are a couple of thousand references to unborn child that do not directly result from abortion arguments, these are only a few.
Now for definitions:
Child | Define Child at Dictionary.com
Child - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
child: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com
child - Definition of child at YourDictionary.com
Since human fetus is clearly one of the definitions in every reference of child, and the term is used quite broadly in many contexts throughout the English language, what is the real reason that Pro-Choicers object so strongly to it's use in abortion arguments? Is this intellectual dishonesty? I think so.
I object to the use of the term because it muddies the waters of what is already a muddy enough debate. Abortion is a heavily emotionally charged subject, and appeals to emotion like this don't help the situation at all.
Given that the common phrase for a pregnant women use to be, "I am with child", I can't imagine anyone actually thought this was a semantic battle worth having. It is even used in the Bible.
It is a commonly used term both in and out of the abortion debate and is used in law. The protest against it as "invalid", "dishonest", "intellectually dishonest", is an intellectually dishonest attempt at controlling the debate in favor of pro-choice advocates by diminishing the impact of abortion.
I object to the use of the term because it muddies the waters of what is already a muddy enough debate. Abortion is a heavily emotionally charged subject, and appeals to emotion like this don't help the situation at all.
Why is it a muddy-enough debate? Because we are ending life. It should be muddy. It should be emotionally charged. It shouldn't be a cut-and-dried process. It should be tough. REAL tough.
Regardless of what we want to label it. We can't deny it is an unborn human being.
It is a commonly used term both in and out of the abortion debate and is used in law. The protest against it as "invalid", "dishonest", "intellectually dishonest", is an intellectually dishonest attempt at controlling the debate in favor of pro-choice advocates by diminishing the impact of abortion.
Hogwash!! It is an attempt to keep the debate honest by using accurate terms instead of emotionally laden manipulative terms.
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