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The U.S. has the most virus deaths in the world.

I did not vote for Trump, and Hil made me want to vomit bile. You know diddly. A good reason for not giving you any further attention.
Wasn't it you that described Trump as the "lesser of two evils"? That is what I based my derision on. And, no, it is still not a serious question since the premise is not based upon realistic suggestions or a rational discussion of what conditions are.

Surveys at the time of the 2009 pandemic indicated that the vast majority of the population prefers decisive action to a piecemeal approach, so more and earlier restrictions would have been tolerated far more than you imply. Of course, that is assuming a competent basis. Had Trump done so in concert with the advice of pandemic experts he would have gotten less criticism. You presume that he would have gotten more, and that, I believe, is an unwarranted assumption. Obviously some people would complain, no matter what, but those criticisms would be muted if the actions were based upon a rational approach.
 
To the chagrin of my wife and grandkids, I'm making do with my Guild NJ45212, my Claro Walnut Taylor auditorium, my restored Vega parlor guitar, and 15 others. About a 1/2 dozen are not playable but look good collecting dust hanging on the walls.
God, I know that one, although minus the grandkids. I have an affinity for collecting instruments that get neglected. My go-to, everyday guitar is an Epiphone acoustic that never goes out of tune, but I have a Yamaha classical that goes on the road with me - size matters in the RV. A day without a guitar is like a day without sunshine. My pride, though, is the 1950's Harmony. It's both pretty and has an incredible sound. They literally don't make them like they used to. My wife doesn't understand why I have so many - electric, acoustic, classical, 12-string, ukes... But they all sound and play differently. It's like asking which kid you like better...
 
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And some here still think Trump has not failed us. How can that be? How else can we judge his "success"?

US has the most coronavirus-related deaths in the world

If anyone in the US dies of anything who also has Coronavirus, that death is attributed to Coronavirus.

All of the Stats in the US are being counted as honestly as the local systems allow.

Do you know with absolute certainty that this is the methodology used by the rest of the countries in the world?

In what might be a related story, in Wuhan, one city in the country of China that has posted Coronavirus deaths totaling 3,339, the morticians are ordering about 50,000 funerary urns.

Seems like an interesting departure of facts from propaganda.

Of course, I could be wrong.
 
So you think electing a fox to guard the hen house will fix these things? I repeat, Trump is a corrupt as they come and he has brought his stench to DC.

Update: We Found a “Staggering” 281 Lobbyists Who’ve… — ProPublica

Just What Were Donald Trump's Ties to the Mob? - POLITICO Magazine

Trump’s Russian Laundromat | The New Republic

:rofl Political dirt and :spin:

In the course of any given year, more than 15k lobbyists will traverse the halls of congress and offices of the DC bureaucracy. 281 is a pittance. Nor does presence mean success. :lamo

Try developing and building in NYC on any level, and let me know how you make out without ties to organized crime, of one sort or another. And they robbed him blind in Atlantic City, skimming the take at his casino until there was nothing left to take. He wasn't one of their own, he had been warned, and they didn't want him there.

The old Russian mob money laundering grift, except those boys couldn't stop tripping over their own feet. Clueless trash neaveau pseudo American journalism, inept and full of crap. When the Russian wannabe mobsters ventured out of Brighton Beach with their gasoline scams and call girls, the Albanians robbed them blind, and then turned them over to the FBI and NYPD, drawing heat away from their own activities, and the media lapped it up like dogs at the trough.

I am so unimpressed. :coffeepap:yawn:
 
Wasn't it you that described Trump as the "lesser of two evils"? That is what I based my derision on. And, no, it is still not a serious question since the premise is not based upon realistic suggestions or a rational discussion of what conditions are.

Surveys at the time of the 2009 pandemic indicated that the vast majority of the population prefers decisive action to a piecemeal approach, so more and earlier restrictions would have been tolerated far more than you imply. Of course, that is assuming a competent basis. Had Trump done so in concert with the advice of pandemic experts he would have gotten less criticism. You presume that he would have gotten more, and that, I believe, is an unwarranted assumption. Obviously some people would complain, no matter what, but those criticisms would be muted if the actions were based upon a rational approach.

Without a doubt he was the lesser of two evils, but that doesn't mean I'd vote for him.

I assume nothing. I have no doubts as to the venality and viciousness of partisan responses regardless of chosen actions by the opposition. Surveys do nothing more than provide talking point pablum.

The conversation is not about what he did, as you once again try to deflect, it is about people like you.
 
Without a doubt he was the lesser of two evils, but that doesn't mean I'd vote for him.

I assume nothing. I have no doubts as to the venality and viciousness of partisan responses regardless of chosen actions by the opposition. Surveys do nothing more than provide talking point pablum.

The conversation is not about what he did, as you once again try to deflect, it is about people like you.

I'm talking about surveys, not polls. After the 2009 crisis, the CDC conducted surveys to determine public tolerance for restrictions necessary to curb a pandemic. They were surprised to learn that the public favored draconian measures over less invasive actions.

It has long been known that the best response to a pandemic is isolation, but it was feared that the public wouldn't accept those measures. It turns out they prefer them.

So... Tell me all about "people like me".... [Your bias is showing]
 
:rofl Political dirt and :spin:

In the course of any given year, more than 15k lobbyists will traverse the halls of congress and offices of the DC bureaucracy. 281 is a pittance. Nor does presence mean success. :lamo

Try developing and building in NYC on any level, and let me know how you make out without ties to organized crime, of one sort or another. And they robbed him blind in Atlantic City, skimming the take at his casino until there was nothing left to take. He wasn't one of their own, he had been warned, and they didn't want him there.

The old Russian mob money laundering grift, except those boys couldn't stop tripping over their own feet. Clueless trash neaveau pseudo American journalism, inept and full of crap. When the Russian wannabe mobsters ventured out of Brighton Beach with their gasoline scams and call girls, the Albanians robbed them blind, and then turned them over to the FBI and NYPD, drawing heat away from their own activities, and the media lapped it up like dogs at the trough.

I am so unimpressed. :coffeepap:yawn:

Trump appointed 281 lobbyists to WORK in his administration, they are not "traversing the halls", they are making policy for their clients with Trumps blessing. Other developers in NYC were asking to have the mob influences dealt with while Trump was cultivating the mobsters. Russians were buying dozens of Trump tower condos anonymously with dirty money and you don't care? Trump IS the swamp and he has been busy filling it with his cooked cronies.
 
Trump appointed 281 lobbyists to WORK in his administration, they are not "traversing the halls", they are making policy for their clients with Trumps blessing. Other developers in NYC were asking to have the mob influences dealt with while Trump was cultivating the mobsters. Russians were buying dozens of Trump tower condos anonymously with dirty money and you don't care? Trump IS the swamp and he has been busy filling it with his cooked cronies.

You have these numbers pretty handy. Do you have the revolving door numbers for the last 6 administrations so we can see if Trump is out of the norm for bringing lobbyists?

Lobbyists tend to be bad when one doesn’t agree with the President anyway—regardless of party.


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God, I know that one, although minus the grandkids. I have an affinity for collecting instruments that get neglected. My go-to, everyday guitar is an Epiphone acoustic that never goes out of tune, but I have a Yamaha classical that goes on the road with me - size matters in the RV. A day without a guitar is like a day without sunshine. My pride, though, is the 1950's Harmony. It's both pretty and has an incredible sound. They literally don't make them like they used to. My wife doesn't understand why I have so many - electric, acoustic, classical, 12-string, ukes... But they all sound and play differently. It's like asking which kid you like better...

Harmony were factory stamped guitars, never crafted, rarely sounded beyond mediocre. Pre Gibson Epiphones were better than the Gibsons of their day. If your Epiphone manages to stay in tune, you or someone else changed the heads, as I did with my Guild 212, or it is a relatively recent Epiphone. More modern heads make the difference. One of my long time college friends scored an Epiphone J45 which was beat up when he got it at Manny's in 1966. He still plays it and the tone is magnificent. It was made in 1938. Very rare even then. He paid $140 for it. Today it is valued at greater than $80k. Gibson's J45 is a design taken from Epiphone.

I have two of luthier Eli LaCosta's guitars, a close friend, gifted to me from him. One for classical, one for jazz. I'm afraid to touch them. 89 year old Eli currently is the chief luthier at Lincoln Center, teaching and repairing, making the occasional string instrument. When we met, he had just opened his shop in Corona Queens, after having fled Franco's Spain. I wandered in, and my mouth fell open when he told me his guitars started at $10k. I had been buying guitars in pawn shops, rarely paying more than a $150. I told him that, and he said "we can still be friends." He allowed me to play one of his guitars, and then said "maybe not friends." We have been friends ever since. He has made guitars for Montoya, Segovia, De Lucia, McLaughlin, among many privileged others during his career, one of his first for Django Reinhardt. One of his violas crafted more than 30 years ago, sold for $250k at an estate auction last year, a bargain. The last guitar he built, a custom order, sold for $120k to John Pizzarelli. A guitar for his own pleasure, not to be endangered when performing. Eli had been apprenticed to Paulino Bernabe sr. Paulino Bernabe jr. is now one of the world's best living luthiers. He and Eli are as close as geography and time allow. Eli made my niece's viola and violin for her when she turned 14 5 years ago. When her teachers heard her play them, they were stunned. Both by the instruments and her, more so by the instruments. She visits him, plays for him for hours while he works. He tells her she makes him forget about time and the pains of age.

Yes, each guitar sounds unique, some from the worst sources sounding better than the best from the best sources, and some from the best sources sounding worse than than the worst from the worst sources. I've played Martins that sucked and Stella's that had marvelous tone. It is always also a question of the ear. A guitar will sound different between any two people, sounding excellent to one, mediocre to the other. When I first approach an acoustic, I stick my nose in the sound hole. Better guitars have a noticeable aromatic appeal for me. A starting point for evaluation. We adults are so passionate about our toys.
 
I'm talking about surveys, not polls. After the 2009 crisis, the CDC conducted surveys to determine public tolerance for restrictions necessary to curb a pandemic. They were surprised to learn that the public favored draconian measures over less invasive actions.

It has long been known that the best response to a pandemic is isolation, but it was feared that the public wouldn't accept those measures. It turns out they prefer them.

So... Tell me all about "people like me".... [Your bias is showing]

Polls and surveys are interchangeable.

People like you refuse to admit their prejudices never laughing, people like me flaunt them and laugh at ourselves.
 
Trump appointed 281 lobbyists to WORK in his administration, they are not "traversing the halls", they are making policy for their clients with Trumps blessing. Other developers in NYC were asking to have the mob influences dealt with while Trump was cultivating the mobsters. Russians were buying dozens of Trump tower condos anonymously with dirty money and you don't care? Trump IS the swamp and he has been busy filling it with his cooked cronies.

So what? Do you really think this something new and unique? George Washington lobbied for less expensive tobacco taxes when he was in office. He owned and cultivated more tobacco than any other living individual at the time.

Why should I care who buys which condo or where their money comes from? The US dollar is still green. The largest investors in US real estate are the English, Germans and Dutch. So what?

Why do you think people are willing to spend $billions for a job that pays $450k annually? Other people's money, and you don't think there will be a payback? :doh:lamo
 
You have these numbers pretty handy. Do you have the revolving door numbers for the last 6 administrations so we can see if Trump is out of the norm for bringing lobbyists?

Lobbyists tend to be bad when one doesn’t agree with the President anyway—regardless of party.


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It's 4 times more than Obama appointed if that means a thing to you. Appointing lobbyists to regulate the industries they lobby for is a most heinous form of corruption wouldn't you agree?

That’s one lobbyist for every 14 political appointees, and four times more than Obama had appointed six years into office.

At the halfway mark of President Donald Trump’s first term, his administration has hired a lobbyist for every 14 political appointments made, welcoming a total of 281 lobbyists on board, a ProPublica and Columbia Journalism Investigations analysis shows.

With a combination of weakened rules and loose enforcement easing the transition to government and back to K Street, Trump’s swamp is anything but drained. The number of lobbyists who have served in government jobs is four times more than the Obama administration had six years into office. And former lobbyists serving Trump are often involved in regulating the industries they worked for.

Even government watchdogs who’ve long monitored the revolving door say that its current scale is a major shift from previous administrations. It’s a “staggering figure,” according to Virginia Canter, ethics chief counsel for the D.C.-based legal nonprofit Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “It suggests that lobbyists see themselves as more effective in furthering their clients’ special interests from inside the government rather than from outside.”

Update: We Found a “Staggering” 281 Lobbyists Who’ve… — ProPublica
 
So what? Do you really think this something new and unique? George Washington lobbied for less expensive tobacco taxes when he was in office. He owned and cultivated more tobacco than any other living individual at the time.

Why should I care who buys which condo or where their money comes from? The US dollar is still green. The largest investors in US real estate are the English, Germans and Dutch. So what?

Why do you think people are willing to spend $billions for a job that pays $450k annually? Other people's money, and you don't think there will be a payback? :doh:lamo

So what? I thought you were appalled by corruption in our Govt.? Apparently only if Democrats are in power. Like most of your kind you are a flaming hypocrite who has not an ounce of integrity. A perfect Trump cultist.
 
Polls and surveys are interchangeable.

People like you refuse to admit their prejudices never laughing, people like me flaunt them and laugh at ourselves.
Oh, I laugh at you too... ;) I am quite well aware of my prejudices... but it's always easier to point out others'.

Polls and surveys are not interchangeable, as the methodologies are very different, but I don't want to get into a technical discussion.
 
If you look at the death's per million, it makes a more equal comparison

America 61 deaths per million

UK 145 deaths per million

Spain 350 deaths per million

Sweden 88 deaths per million

Coronavirus Update (Live): 1,761,286 Cases and 107,659 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Yeah. What is it with all the raw comparisons?

It's as if the people jumping on these claims are unaware that the US is almost the size of all of Europe.

I guess the Left can't math...
 
Yeah. What is it with all the raw comparisons?

It's as if the people jumping on these claims are unaware that the US is almost the size of all of Europe.

I guess the Left can't math...
Oh, I think most of us have more facility with mathematics than most of your brethren. And other endeavors, like logic, history, law, etc., ad infinitum.
 
So what? I thought you were appalled by corruption in our Govt.? Apparently only if Democrats are in power. Like most of your kind you are a flaming hypocrite who has not an ounce of integrity. A perfect Trump cultist.

"My kind":lamo

Let me know, oh omnipotent one, when you will eliminate corruption. :rofl

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Che all did their best to eliminate corruption, by killing everyone with their reaches.
 
Oh, I laugh at you too... ;) I am quite well aware of my prejudices... but it's always easier to point out others'.

Polls and surveys are not interchangeable, as the methodologies are very different, but I don't want to get into a technical discussion.

Then we have the beginnings of a club. Yes, one asks, the other observes, or is it one observes and the other asks. No real difference, just interpretations of what might be.
 
Oh, I think most of us have more facility with mathematics than most of your brethren. And other endeavors, like logic, history, law, etc., ad infinitum.

What does this even mean?

Brethren?

Huh?
 
"My kind":lamo

Let me know, oh omnipotent one, when you will eliminate corruption. :rofl

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Che all did their best to eliminate corruption, by killing everyone with their reaches.

Will will start by kicking the most corrupt man in DC out in November along with all the cronies he has appointed. That will make a huge dent.
 
What does this even mean?

Brethren?

Huh?
I may have misunderstood your intent. I thought you actually meant "the Left can't math." That comes of trying to follow too many threads too quickly. My intent was to point out that there are a series of right-wing posters here who post nonsense and expect no one to notice it is nonsens.
 
Shear unadulterated stupidity.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

The COVID-19 death rate is somewhere between 1/1,000 and 1/50,000 of our annual death rate.

This cowering madness must stop.
 
Don't be so hard on yourself.

The COVID-19 death rate is somewhere between 1/1,000 and 1/50,000 of our annual death rate.

This cowering madness must stop.
Come now, just because he pointed out yet another one in an endless string of utter moronic posts by you, he is not even hard on you, just factual.
 
Will will start by kicking the most corrupt man in DC out in November along with all the cronies he has appointed. That will make a huge dent.

Don't bet the farm on that outcome. Watch and learn orchestration.
 
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