The U.S. boycott remains strong. Why many Canadians are digging in their heels

[Lord Tammerlain]

It was a really long time since I was up there, and back then Calgary was a sleepy small city. Believe it or not, back then Calgary didn't even have a pizzeria! My relatives never heard of pizza. Never tasted it. We looked in the phone book, and true to their word - there was nothing! Hard to believe, huh? They came with us back to the states, and the first stop back home was pizza!

I don't think it can be underestimated the phenomenal growth that took place in Alberta - especially Calgary. Like I said, in my lifetime Calgary once only had 300K population. Now look at it?

Didn't know you were that old, 1960s is when the first pizzeria is known to have been opened.

Surprised it was that late,

Which means Chinese food would have predated it by a good 80 years

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[Lord Tammerlain]

Starting back in my college days, I used to Ski in Jackson Hole (WY). It *was* a cow town!

Now, the median list price for residences is $3M!

Not thar high,

About $700 000 cad.

Prices have gone up 60% in the last 6 years

My house has increased by $600 000 from the time we bought it in 2019

 

[Chomsky]

I always have been. I've never worried with him behind the wheel.

I love that type of attitude. Too much overplanning is Debbie Downerville.

We never got into downhill, but when we were back in the Midwest, our family took up cross country skiing. We used to go up to WI. with friends and their families. Rent a few cabins, and had the owners do the cooking for us. I can't remember the name of the place we went, but it was nice. They had a sauna on site. We'd ski until we were blue in the face, and then hit the sauna. The kids loved it!

From what you've shared, I think you were fortunate to have had such wholesome grounded heartland experiences in your younger formulate years of your life, as a foundation to experiencing your later life in an (I assume) quite different environment.

The vibe you describe isn't just a Midwest' vibe, but a Great Lakes' vibe. Even though the cornfields are right out the back door! (which is also a good thing, I think)

Oh, and "ski 'till blue in the face"? Nothing exerts you like outdoor cold-weather snow activities! Nothing. Because you're battling the snow, and the cold! You're burning calories like crazy,

 

[trixare4kids]

Not thar high,

About $700 000 cad.

Prices have gone up 60% in the last 6 years

Interesting.

My house has increased by $600 000 from the time we bought it in 2019

I've always said real estate is the best investment.

 

[ElChupacabra]

This is a perfect example of the Canadian reaction I mentioned. It's been highly dramatic from the first second Trump began discussing tariffs. Not only highly dramatic but comically - how dare Trump include Canada in his trade reset plan because Canada is "special".

I don't think this remotely accurate, but rather no one really understanding the rationale because it's so abjectly daft. This was echoed later by Japanese negotiators who weren't clear on what the strategy or what Trump actually wants. That's a very easy conclusion to reach given the arbitrary nature of Trump's use of tariffs; the example with Brazil being one.

 

[Chomsky]

We did a great Michigan road trip in 2014. Holland, Sleeping Bear Dunes, Traverse City, Mackinaw Island, crossed over the top into Wisconsin on the way home. I hail from Green Bay, so Door County was my back yard so to speak. So much cuteness in Door County!!

I want to go to Door County. Maybe for the trees changing. Crazy as it sounds though, I'm worried I'll be stuck in a crowd of Chicagoans!

Do you still recommend it?

And if you care to, can you compare it to how you liked Traverse or Petoskey? (Traverse kinda' sounds like Door-County East, of sorts.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Actually, Trump is the best politician to come along since Ronald Reagan.

Sorry, but...

I am no fan of Reagan, but he was an entirely different class of politician, and was able to clearly communicate his vision and policy ideas. To put Trump in the same class is a disservice to Reagan, in that the latter did not seek to reshape government in any way resembling what Trump has done.

 

[Callen]

I like you & your husband's style, Callen.

Right now I'm torn between New England and Door County (WI).

BTW, don't overlook the Great Lakes Region. Are you familiar with Door County? Or, the Upper Peninsula? (MI)

The Upper Peninsula is awesome! I've skied up there.

Done both. I'm a Great Lakes girl so it is very familiar to me. New England was a wonderful trip but we extended it to include Nova Scotia , some of New Brunswick and PEI. Anyhow enough of that we are way OT

 

[trixare4kids]

From what you've shared, I think you were fortunate to have had such wholesome grounded heartland experiences in your younger formulate years of your life, as a foundation to experiencing your later life in an (I assume) quite different environment.

The vibe you describe isn't just a Midwest' vibe, but a Great Lakes' vibe. Even though the cornfields are right out the back door! (which is also a good thing, I think)

Oh, and "ski 'till blue in the face"? Nothing exerts you like outdoor cold-weather snow activities! Nothing. Because you're battling the snow, and the cold! You're burning calories like crazy,

Honestly? We wouldn't have moved the kids to CA. if that were not the case. T/Y.
The boys spent half of their formative years growing up in the burbs of IL. Their kids born here got that same grounding. We count our blessings.

 

[craig]

Why isn't Canada exploring joining the EU? NATO too. Canada has European roots.

 

[Chomsky]

Didn't know you were that old, 1960s is when the first pizzeria is known to have been opened.

Surprised it was that late,

Which means Chinese food would have predated it by a good 80 years

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Depending on the exact year in the sixties you're claiming, I can assure you - you are correct. There was no pizza in Calgary prior to the mid sixties. At least, none listed in the phone book.

Crazy as it sounds, outside of cities with Italian Immigrant populations, pizza wasn't popular even across the United States until the sixties & seventies. The chains didn't start until the late seventies.

Spaghettis & meatballs was popular before that, but pizza didn't catch on (outside Italian Communities) until the sixties & seventies.

My city always had it, before that. But we had a lot of Italians, and I ran in Italian circles.

We forget that at one time Italians were a foreign immigrant group, with foreign ways and foreign foods. They only became mainstream in the sixties and seventies. Before that, they often were shunned. Many Italians, my family included, finally celebrated "We arrived!" when Scalia got on the Bench in '86. Yeah we had Joey D and Sinatra before that, but that didn't really count like Scalia.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The US does not depend on trade with Canada, and Canada should not depend on trade with the US. More Canadian self-reliance will be a positive.

Tell me about our potash self-sufficiency.

 

[bubbabgone]

So you were confused?

Telling me what you told me in that place that shall remain nameless really wasn’t confusing.
Why did you say what you did?
Do you remember?

 

[Chomsky]

Honestly? We wouldn't have moved the kids to CA. if that were not the case. T/Y.
The boys spent half of their formative years growing up in the burbs of IL. Their kids born here got that same grounding. We count our blessings.

Just so you know, I wasn't implying your current environment is poor. Not at all.

I was speaking to your having experienced different environments, which I would assume makes you more rounded. The best of both worlds.

 

[bubbabgone]

????


Please list the regulations cut by Carney?

He's canceled some programmes, but regulations?


Sorry, but he is NOT a head of state. He cannot unilaterally cut anything.

Political science is beyond you. Stick to sports.

Find the original post on another thread by someone else and you’ll realize what we’re talking about

 

[Callen]

Why isn't Canada exploring joining the EU? NATO too. Canada has European roots.

We already belong to NATO and have taken steps to strengthen our defense and trade deals with Europe

 

[craig]

We already belong to NATO and have taken steps to strengthen our defense and trade deals with Europe

Thanks. Did not know Canada belonged to NATA. I am surprised that Trump says Canada depends on the US for security.

 

[Allan]

Telling me what you told me in that place that shall remain nameless really wasn’t confusing.
Why did you say what you did?
Do you remember?

You said I was mad at Carney for looking for ways to cut costs.

Still waiting for you to back that up.

 

[NatMorton]

The boycotts are one thing and yes perhaps they would ease once Trump is gone. However the more important thing is Canada is not standing still . We are forging new trade partnerships and new sources for goods we import and export. The trade relationship with the US will have fundamentally changed by the time Trump is gone and, having learned our lessons, we will not go back to a situation where we are so intertwined and dependent upon the US. So Trump or no Trump, Canada is moving forward aggressively to trade and security deals that greatly reduces our reliance on the US and that will cost US businesses permanently.

If those "new sources" were better options than the US you would have sourced them long ago. Even in Canada, capital seeks its best return.

 

[NatMorton]

Really? What about all those mini trumps that support him. They will still be here. Or are you saying Republicans will no longer be in power?

The Republicans will lose power. If not in '28, than almost certain by '32. These things go in cycles.

 

[NatMorton]

Trust is easy to break and hard to establish. A lot of people in Canada thinks the US just backstabbed us for no reason and a lot of Trump supporters on this site seem to wish harm on Canada for no good reason.

Logistics may make Canada and the US continue to trade, but a lot of Canadians think the US will just lose its mind again when the GOP regain power in any future election and now Canadians think we have relied too much on the US as trade partners.

Trust is one thing. Getting the best financial deal is another. The next President who breaks from Trump (and that could easily be the next President) will announce "A New Day" or some such platitude, and all will be well again with Canada. Feel free to book this post. It will happen.

 

[craig]

Trust is one thing. Getting the best financial deal is another. The next President who breaks from Trump (and that could easily be the next President) will announce "A New Day" or some such platitude, and all will be well again with Canada. Feel free to book this post. It will happen.

Relationships between countries are transactional. But trust or the lack of between the populations of countries lasts generations.

 

[Allan]

If those "new sources" were better options than the US you would have sourced them long ago. Even in Canada, capital seeks its best return.

Ditto for you.

 

[Pyrite]

Trust is one thing. Getting the best financial deal is another. The next President who breaks from Trump (and that could easily be the next President) will announce "A New Day" or some such platitude, and all will be well again with Canada. Feel free to book this post. It will happen.

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Canadians will develop a collective amnesia re America's turning its back on the longest unprotected border in the world and its neighbors to the north?

I suspect this isn't going to happen.

 

[Allan]

Trust is one thing. Getting the best financial deal is another. The next President who breaks from Trump (and that could easily be the next President) will announce "A New Day" or some such platitude, and all will be well again with Canada. Feel free to book this post. It will happen.

Meanwhile American consumers will pay billions in costs due to the tariffs. So there's an upside.