The Truth Hurts at Penn Law

KLATTU · Mar 20, 2018

As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

OlNate · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

So...did you see the marks? Can you post them for the rest of us? Just asking, as you're convinced that the woman is telling the truth. How do you know? I mean, if you were rooting for a certain outcome, I guess you could be convinced without proof yourself...but given which side you would have to want to believe, some people would call you a ****ing racist, and I know you're not that.

So therefore I'm assuming you got a copy of the marks, to know that this woman is right, and not the dean of the school. Please post? Thanks!!

americanwoman · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

I observe that your interpretation of this event is incorrect and my observation is correct.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/amy...-after-bald-faced-lying-about-black-students/

For months, Dean Ruger has tacitly supported Wax by refusing to clip her “academic freedom” — no matter how embarrassingly shoddy her “research” might be — by not penalizing her for aggressively creating a hostile environment for students by publicly espousing her thinly veiled racism in order to grab cheap fame from the right-wing troll machine. However, slandering Penn’s students and intimating that she breaches the school’s anonymous grading policy in order to support her fantasies of white cultural superiority (and this is not an extreme statement… she has straight-up said she doesn’t “shrink from the word superior“) proved a bridge too far:

It is imperative for me as dean to state that these claims are false: black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law, and the Law Review does not have a diversity mandate. Rather, its editors are selected based on a competitive process. And contrary to any suggestion otherwise, black students at Penn Law are extremely successful, both inside and outside the classroom, in the job market, and in their careers.

Of course, Wax’s claim is false. That the dean of an elite law school has to come out and say this is disgraceful. But Dean Ruger had to set the record straight for the good of his students and his school.

You might prefer to believe one person's observation but most of us in reality prefer facts.

bearpoker · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

No actual evidence is offered in this argument by either side or by the National Review. It's possible that the data doesn't actually exist, because nobody has recorded it and everybody is talking out of their hats.

VanceMack · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
I observe that your interpretation of this event is incorrect and my observation is correct.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/amy...-after-bald-faced-lying-about-black-students/

You might prefer to believe one person's observation but most of us in reality prefer facts.

Who better to know if more than a few of the top 50 percentile in her class were black students than the professor teaching the course?

ttwtt78640 · Mar 20, 2018

Hmm... obviously, half of any graduating class does not graduate in the top half - does it really matter if they are black, white or Asian?

KLATTU · Mar 20, 2018

VanceMack said:
Who better to know if more than a few of the top 50 percentile in her class were black students than the professor teaching the course?

I knew the answers from liberals would be predictable. They always are. I'm waiting for the race card...

americanwoman · Mar 20, 2018

VanceMack said:
Who better to know if more than a few of the top 50 percentile in her class were black students than the professor teaching the course?

She might know her class but she claimed to know that no black student ever graduated in the top quarter of the class and rarely in the top half. She's a white supremacist and I take her "observations" with a grain of salt.

?Not all cultures are created equal? says Penn Law professor in op-ed | The Daily Pennsylvanian

In an interview with The Daily Pennsylvanian on Thursday, Wax said Anglo-Protestant cultural norms are superior.

"I don't shrink from the word, 'superior,'" she said, adding, “Everyone wants to come to the countries that exemplify” these values. “Everyone wants to go to countries ruled by white Europeans.”

sangha · Mar 20, 2018

VanceMack said:
Who better to know if more than a few of the top 50 percentile in her class were black students than the professor teaching the course?

Umm, Wax did not talk about how black students did in her class.

Reading what she said might clear up your confusion

Might, but probably not

americanwoman · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
I knew the answers from liberals would be predictable. They always are. I'm waiting for the race card...

Present facts that show the graduating statistics at Penn Law by race.

It's funny you play the race card in the OP but are still waiting for it.

I'm waiting for some actual facts here.

OlNate · Mar 20, 2018

ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm... obviously, half of any graduating class does not graduate in the top half - does it really matter if they are black, white or Asian?

To some people, who get their jollies by talking **** about others, yes, it matters very much. What doesn't is the truth, unfortunately, since none can be proven to have been shared here...

bearpoker · Mar 20, 2018

VanceMack said:
Who better to know if more than a few of the top 50 percentile in her class were black students than the professor teaching the course?

That might be true if she were the only teacher. When you make statements you need to back it up with data. Opinions stated as fact do not impress me.

KLATTU · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
I observe that your interpretation of this event is incorrect and my observation is correct.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/amy...-after-bald-faced-lying-about-black-students/

You might prefer to believe one person's observation but most of us in reality prefer facts.

"

The dean says"black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law."

That says it all. The Professor didn't say NO students graduate in the top of the class.
He obviously couldn't refute her factually so he weaseled out with that statement. Pandering .

Keep burying that head, though.

OlNate · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
I knew the answers from liberals would be predictable. They always are. I'm waiting for the race card...

And I'm waiting for proof of anything here, other than the chubby you seem to get by being able to talk **** about black folks.

Still waiting...........

americanwoman · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
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The dean says"black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law."

That says it all. The Professor didn't say NO students graduate in the top of the class.
He obviously couldn't refute her factually so he weaseled out.

Keep burying that head, though.

You're funny.

You play the race card, then act innocent - like oh which crazy liberal is going to play the race card so I can call them out... enter a mirror for you to look into.

americanwoman · Mar 20, 2018

OlNate said:
And I'm waiting for proof of anything here, other than the chubby you seem to get by being able to talk **** about black folks.

Still waiting...........

Don't hold your breath.

SonOfDaedalus · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
As part of a critique of race-based admissions, Professor Wax observed that black students at Penn Law “rarely” graduate in the top half of their class. Her observation is almost certainly correct, but Penn Law dean Ted Ruger declared it false without providing any evidence. (And he has access to the evidence, so his failure to reveal it is telling.) Worse, he forbade Professor Wax from teaching any mandatory first-year courses.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-wax-affirmative-action-debate/

This is what liberal pandering gets you.

Remember the problem * isn't *that black law students at Penn underperform, it's that some white person pointed out that basic fact.

What percentage of the student's at Penn law are Black? I bet you anything it's a small percentage. But people like you think it's too high.

You talk about fairness but you don't want to talk about how rigged the system is. Donald Trump got into Wharton despite having poor grades because his family was rich. G.W. Bush got into Yale because he was a "legacy." Legacy is rich white affirmative action. You don't talk about the massive scandal that was uncovered where rich kids were paying specialists to take the SAT's.

Also, aren't you saying that the entire bottom half of White Penn law students shouldn't have been admitted?

bearpoker · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
"

The dean says"black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law."

That says it all. The Professor didn't say NO students graduate in the top of the class.
He obviously couldn't refute her factually so he weaseled out with that statement. Pandering .

Keep burying that head, though.

So far this has been a fact free debate. Why do you criticize and parse the Dean's statement, but not the professor's? She made a statement which she failed to support. Why should I believe her?

OlNate · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
Don't hold your breath.

*cough*...holding...*choke*...holding....*cough*...hey, these dots in front of my eyes are cool what do you think...*thud*

Praxas · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
I knew the answers from liberals would be predictable. They always are. I'm waiting for the race card...

The race card was already played by the Professor at the college. I know you hate diversity (no, I'm not calling you a racist) but that is what race-based admissions are about.

Now, what I have to ask is what does it matter if a black person "rarely" graduates at the top half of their class? She is trying to make the connection about race solely but do you (or her) know the living situations of ALL the students? how all the students are treated? how all the study groups are? what circumstances all the students have? Of course not, no one does but the individual going there.

There is more to "rarely" being in the top half than race. I'm happy to see folks graduating regardless of race or position in the class.

faithful_servant · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
I observe that your interpretation of this event is incorrect and my observation is correct.

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/amy...-after-bald-faced-lying-about-black-students/

You might prefer to believe one person's observation but most of us in reality prefer facts.

Neither side of this discussion has presented all the facts on the subject. All they need to do is post the demographics for graduates and let the full truth be known. If in fact, the professor is right, then there is a clear problem that needs addressing. Instead of bullying her with accusations of racism, the dean should be presenting the full facts and letting the facts speak for themselves.

VanceMack · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
She might know her class but she claimed to know that no black student ever graduated in the top quarter of the class and rarely in the top half. She's a white supremacist and I take her "observations" with a grain of salt.

?Not all cultures are created equal? says Penn Law professor in op-ed | The Daily Pennsylvanian

Woah...how did you get that she is a white supremacist? She specializes in social law and everything I have seen written from her is not meant to oppress or to demean but to provide a pathway to success. Look at it this way. The black American community still...STILL after all this time is pounded by poverty and social decline. Yet, within the black American community, there are individuals that succeed in education, business, professionally, life in general. Her comments dont oppress, they reflect the things that keep people in a state of oppression. If you cant have an honest dialogue about reality then what hope is there ever going to be for real change?

Sampson Simpson · Mar 20, 2018

americanwoman said:
Present facts that show the graduating statistics at Penn Law by race.

It's funny you play the race card in the OP but are still waiting for it.

I'm waiting for some actual facts here.

Don't you know already, to right wingers like the OP, all that is needed to prove facts is to say "truth". When I saw "truth hurts" in the title, I knew it was going to be some right wing nonsense void of actual facts. They are so unoriginal, predictable, and void of any real arguments. They have to be trolling, I find it hard to imagine people could intentionally be this dumb, yet think they are brilliant

VanceMack · Mar 20, 2018

sangha said:
Umm, Wax did not talk about how black students did in her class.

Reading what she said might clear up your confusion

Might, but probably not

Oh, but you see I DID read...and then I read the linked articles, and I even looked up a few more to try to get more information about this situation.
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half.”

That is a direct quote cited by the Dean, in the linked article. Maybe if you knew what the **** you were talking about instead of just rushing to defend your own mindless bias you would have enough information to actually be conversant on this, or any other topic.

But probably not.

VanceMack · Mar 20, 2018

KLATTU said:
I knew the answers from liberals would be predictable. They always are. I'm waiting for the race card...

This conversation is why we cant have nice things. It also explains why black Americans, after 80 years of voting as a bloc for the democrat party, remain ****ed over. They are so desperate to keep them enslaved and dependent that they will never consider discussing things that might actually lead to improvements in the black community...those same things that every other culture and racial group have used universally to achieve success.

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