The Trump Shutdown looms

[BabaVoss]

Will he flip-flop?

Probably.

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[OrphanSlug]

Trump wants a shutdown, then he will get to do two things. Fire more people, and he enjoys causing pain to others. Then blame Democrats, which he does anyway.

 

[anatta]

lol / Repubs offered a clean CR

 

[reflechissez]

I heard on a podcast that if the gov't shuts down, the newly-elected democratic woman (don't remember her name) will not be able to be confirmed, so she won't be able to vote on the Epstein docs.

 

[Callen]

lol / Repubs offered a clean CR

That's the point...they refuse to negotiate. Remember when Republicans were the ones who refused clean CR's . Why can't they pass s budget? It's not like they have been doing anything else for months

 

[CaughtInThe]

4 years of chaos

 

[anatta]

That's the point...they refuse to negotiate. Remember when Republicans were the ones who refused clean CR's . Why can't they pass s budget? It's not like they have been doing anything else for months

the "side" who refuses a clean CR gets the blame

 

[BabaVoss]

the "side" who refuses a clean CR gets the blame

Trump’s Republican Party controls ALL the levers of power in government.
How incompetent must they be if they can’t keep the government up and running?

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[anatta]

Trump’s Republican Party controls ALL the levers of power in government.
How incompetent must they be if they can’t keep the government up and running?

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a CR needs 60 votes to break a fillibuster

 

[element94]

Will he flip-flop?

Probably.

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Winning!

 

[element94]

That's the point...they refuse to negotiate. Remember when Republicans were the ones who refused clean CR's . Why can't they pass s budget? It's not like they have been doing anything else for months

The cowards have been normalizing the cult.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's because he's lazy with a big mouth.

 

[Callen]

the "side" who refuses a clean CR gets the blame

We'll see . Democrats and Independents want to see push back on Trump. Millions oppose the BBB and the loss of healtcare Insurance. It's hard to know...it could ho either way.

 

[element94]

It's because he's lazy with a big mouth.

He's also stupid and criminal.

 

[roberthughey]

Will he flip-flop?

Probably.

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This is what the shutdown debate is all about - Covid era expansion of Medicaid via ACA.

This spending was not renewed in the Big Beautiful Bill. It's set to expire in the Dec. 2025.

Covid is over. Government subsidies are extremely hard to kill.

Great article, long read.

Select excerpt's below.

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The Obamacare Sweeteners Poisoning Budget Negotiations​

The Democrats have named their price to avoid a government shutdown come October – an additional $350 billion for healthcare over the next decade.

At issue are the generous subsidies the Biden administration created for Affordable Care Act policies, sweeteners that are slated to expire in December.

The Obamacare expansion at issue came about through legislation and regulations during Biden’s term and was often cast as a response to the COVID pandemic. First, the scope of who was eligible for subsidies was broadened, making it available to households with incomes above 400% of the federal poverty line – making a family of four earning up to $160,000 eligible for subsidized plans. Also, increased subsidies made Obamacare free for those with incomes between 100% and 150% of the poverty line, and longer enrollment periods were created.

In 2021, when Biden was inaugurated, that basic plan cost an individual $27 a month if they reported income along the federal poverty line, which stood around $14,500 a year. For those making 50% more, the “reference plan” cost $75 a month, and so on up to $152 a month for someone making more than $30,000. Those monthly payment figures were constant regardless of what the insurers charged, with taxpayers making up the difference.

The overall figures reflect this explosion. Between 2016 and 2020, an average of 8.5 million people signed up for a subsidized Obamacare policy each year, and in none of those years did the figure equal 9 million, according to the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

Scott drew attention to a Sept. 15 post by Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson that made much the same point: “Extending the ‘temporary COVID’ enhanced Obamacare subsidies would perpetuate fraudulent activity, sending billions of dollars to insurance companies for policies that people are unaware they’re enrolled in and do not use,” he posted.

On the other side are Democrats who make strange political bedfellows of the insurance industry. Some who traditionally oppose big business, such as Massachusetts’ Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Vermont’s socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, insist these recent subsidies must continue, preferably permanently. For them, the Obamacare rolls more than doubling – from 11.4 million to more than 24 million between 2020 and today – are a success sign of government-run healthcare.

The Obamacare Sweeteners Poisoning Budget Negotiations

Halloween could come early this year. The Democrats have named their price to avoid a government shutdown come October – an additional $350 billion for healthcare over the next decade.

www.realclearinvestigations.com

 

[BabaVoss]

This is what the shutdown debate is all about - Covid era expansion of Medicaid via ACA.

This spending was not renewed in the Big Beautiful Bill. It's set to expire in the Dec. 2025.

If not renewed, everyone will see a dramatic rise in healthcare costs.
Well, almost everyone. Congress, probably not.

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[Loulit01]

lol / Repubs offered a clean CR

Nothing about the republicans clean. Murder, Inc. committed fewer crimes.

 

[Craig234]

Nothing about the republicans clean. Murder, Inc. committed fewer crimes.

trump killed several hundred thousand American people just by mishandling Covid. Who else has? Not even WWII.

 

[bongsaway]

lol / Repubs offered a clean CR

Republicans offered their idea of a cr.

 

[bongsaway]

We'll see . Democrats and Independents want to see push back on Trump. Millions oppose the BBB and the loss of healtcare Insurance. It's hard to know...it could ho either way.

Once trump's BBB really starts to take effect, negatively, on the poorest of the gop, we'll start hearing different tunes from the right.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

This is what the shutdown debate is all about - Covid era expansion of Medicaid via ACA.

This spending was not renewed in the Big Beautiful Bill. It's set to expire in the Dec. 2025.

Covid is over. Government subsidies are extremely hard to kill.

Great article, long read.

Select excerpt's below.

-------------------------

​

The Obamacare Sweeteners Poisoning Budget Negotiations​

The Democrats have named their price to avoid a government shutdown come October – an additional $350 billion for healthcare over the next decade.

At issue are the generous subsidies the Biden administration created for Affordable Care Act policies, sweeteners that are slated to expire in December.

The Obamacare expansion at issue came about through legislation and regulations during Biden’s term and was often cast as a response to the COVID pandemic. First, the scope of who was eligible for subsidies was broadened, making it available to households with incomes above 400% of the federal poverty line – making a family of four earning up to $160,000 eligible for subsidized plans. Also, increased subsidies made Obamacare free for those with incomes between 100% and 150% of the poverty line, and longer enrollment periods were created.

In 2021, when Biden was inaugurated, that basic plan cost an individual $27 a month if they reported income along the federal poverty line, which stood around $14,500 a year. For those making 50% more, the “reference plan” cost $75 a month, and so on up to $152 a month for someone making more than $30,000. Those monthly payment figures were constant regardless of what the insurers charged, with taxpayers making up the difference.

The overall figures reflect this explosion. Between 2016 and 2020, an average of 8.5 million people signed up for a subsidized Obamacare policy each year, and in none of those years did the figure equal 9 million, according to the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

Scott drew attention to a Sept. 15 post by Wisconsin Republican Sen. Ron Johnson that made much the same point: “Extending the ‘temporary COVID’ enhanced Obamacare subsidies would perpetuate fraudulent activity, sending billions of dollars to insurance companies for policies that people are unaware they’re enrolled in and do not use,” he posted.

On the other side are Democrats who make strange political bedfellows of the insurance industry. Some who traditionally oppose big business, such as Massachusetts’ Sen. Elizabeth Warren or Vermont’s socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, insist these recent subsidies must continue, preferably permanently. For them, the Obamacare rolls more than doubling – from 11.4 million to more than 24 million between 2020 and today – are a success sign of government-run healthcare.

The Obamacare Sweeteners Poisoning Budget Negotiations

Halloween could come early this year. The Democrats have named their price to avoid a government shutdown come October – an additional $350 billion for healthcare over the next decade.

www.realclearinvestigations.com

Let's see, the Republicans have the Presidency, the House AND the Senate. Let's see - Trump walked away from negotiating with Schumer and the Democrats. Hmmmmm?
YET............. somehow............ it is ALL the left's fault, the Democrat's fault, and let's not forget the Rightwing favorite argument.............
It's ALL Joe Biden's fault!!

 

[Moderate Right]

Will he flip-flop?

Probably.

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Do you really think that calling it the Trump shutdown is going to convince Americans it is really Trump? Your opinion means NOTHING.

 

[BabaVoss]

Do you really think that calling it the Trump shutdown is going to convince Americans it is really Trump?

No, the fact that he controls all the levers of power will convince most thinking people.
Unless he is totally incompetent, he should certainly be able to navigate this.
If a shutdown happens, is is absolutely a Trump shutdown.
One Hundred Precent.

Your opinion means NOTHING.

Exactly like yours. Like everyone else here. Did you just figure that out?

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[roberthughey]

If not renewed, everyone will see a dramatic rise in healthcare costs.
Well, almost everyone. Congress, probably not.

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It's a COVID-era subsidy that was originally scheduled to end as planned in 2025.

Let's see, the Republicans have the Presidency, the House AND the Senate. Let's see - Trump walked away from negotiating with Schumer and the Democrats. Hmmmmm?
YET............. somehow............ it is ALL the left's fault, the Democrat's fault, and let's not forget the Rightwing favorite argument.............
It's ALL Joe Biden's fault!!

Address the article please.

 

[BabaVoss]

If not renewed, everyone will see a dramatic rise in healthcare costs.
Well, almost everyone. Congress, probably not.

It's a COVID-era subsidy that was originally scheduled to end as planned in 2025.

Still...If not renewed, everyone will see a dramatic rise in healthcare costs.
Well, almost everyone. Congress, probably not.

Address the article please.

From Realclear? Hard pass.