The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans

[Threegoofs]

You can't.

Unless, of course, you are an Original Classification Authority.

In which case, the way you think the information should be handled....

... is allowed.

If Hegseth had wanted to pull Huthi leadership into the chat, he could have done that and been within his authority to do so.

I would think in a rational world, you’d need to consult first with the people involved in that classified material- give them notice that it’s not classified anymore before you reveal it publicly.

And as the brilliant @Visbek points out- if he posted it on X, there’s just no way that would not be considered a breach of classified material.

She did indeed! And, if you bother to go back and read my posts, you will see that I do, indeed, point out that (at the time she was SECSTATE) she did indeed have the authority to put State Dept Information onto unsecured platforms. What she didn't have was authority to put CIA, Defense, or other Agency information onto those platforms or the authority to retain that information, or the authority to obstruct justice by refusing to turn it all over and then attempting to destroy both data and devices to prevent investigators from finding the full extent of the exposure.

The material on her emails is not known to us. It could all have been her own.

Similarly, Trump (at the time that he was President) had the authority to put classified information in a bathroom at Mar A Lago, and (like Hillary) his authority over that information disappeared when his job did, and he also did not have the authority to retain that information or obstruct justice to prevent its return

But, you seem to subscribe to his theory that he declassifies stuff at will, so the act of taking it was totally legal and he could have photocopied the Taiwanese defense plans and handed it out to the Chinese if he felt like it, without telling anyone else.

 

[uptower]

 

[uptower]

You can't.

Unless, of course, you are an Original Classification Authority.

In which case, the way you think the information should be handled....

... is allowed.

If Hegseth had wanted to pull Huthi leadership into the chat, he could have done that and been within his authority to do so.

Even if it is within his authority, using it in such a manner would show extreme incompetence and warrant a firing on the grounds he is unfit.

But we knew he was unfit at the confirmation.

 

[Visbek]

1) It didn't contain actionable material

Oh, really? Then why didn't they just use Facebook?

And how does that excuse their attempts to violate federal records laws?

2) the SecDef, who is a delegated classification authority, said it didn't.

Hegseth is full of shit. He's just trying to save his own ass.

By the way, would YOU send a journalist that kind of information 3 hours before an attack? And expect not to go to jail for it? I don't think so.

As I have said, only one person can determine that the SecDef was wrong about his classification statement and that is the POTUS who is the only person who could override him... and he didn't.

And that's bullshit, too. The President can declassify information, but he can't do so retroactively.

And with that I will point you to the actual verified incident in the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle...

Blah blah blah, hard pass on the irrelevant bullshit whataboutism.

Spare me your righteous indignation.

When you stop lying and putting global security at risk, I'll spare you the indignation.

 

[snakestretcher]

Not at all. Your comments are uninformed, as usual.

Really? What did I post that you consider to be mistaken?

 

[Tangmo]

Musk still can't find the Pentagon leakers of the Xi-Musk-Hegseth ordered presentation to Musk of the US War Plan against the CCP-PRC. Musk went nuclear ballistic when the unannounced and madhouse session was killed off because the fact of it was leaked in advance to the loyalist NYT ha.

Musk with Hegseth has had uniformed Pentagon staff and chiefs taking polygraph explorations but nothing's come up given Pentagon security is doing the polygraphs, asking the questions and interpreting the results. Indeed, have no doubt Pentagon Security belongs to the Good Guys.

So it's Sgt. Schultz time at the Pentagon -- nobody knows nuting.

As I've posted elsewhere, the leak that decapitated the presentation of the super top secret War Plan against China to the psycho Musk was undoubtedly a covert intercept operation by the Joint Chiefs who also undoubtedly left no trace of it for the enemy to find.

The enemy. Musk and Hegseth.

Speaking of which Musk is spinning his wheels a lot lately innhe. I would suggest Trump appoint Musk ambassador to his native South Africa from where he can move on to Mars. The sooner the better in fact. Take Trump with him.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

actual Conservatives

True Scotsman fallacy.

 

[Tangmo]

You can't. Unless, of course, you are an Original Classification Authority.
In which case, the way you think the information should be handled....
... is allowed.
If Hegseth had wanted to pull Huthi leadership into the chat, he could have done that and been within his authority to do so.

Similarly, Trump (at the time that he was President) had the authority to put classified information in a bathroom at Mar A Lago, and (like Hillary) his authority over that information disappeared when his job did, and he also did not have the authority to retain that information or obstruct justice to prevent its return.

And if you were included in the highly classified national security chat about the ongoing attack against the Houthis in their lair you would have accepted Hegseth including the "Houthi leadership" in the chat. The "way you think the information should be handled" as per Hegseth who is in authority as the OCA.

After all and as your post makes perfectly and dogmatically clear, Hegseth is the OCA which means he has the authority to include the "Houthi leadership." This is all you say about Hegseth's authority which means this is all you need to know to submit to it absolutely and without question or hesitation.

So by your military morality, ethics and code, and Hegseth being the Original Classifying Authority, he must be accepted in anything Hegseth decides to say and do about a super high confidential aspect of military operations which is the ongoing attack in progress.

Authority per se must be obeyed no matter. And incredibly, by your post there is no matter.

Your Argument From Authority fails however due to the egregious inability to see the major and absurd flaws to it that were rejected at Nurenberg and by the Laws of War. And by the UCMJ.

You really do need to get over yourself Soldier.

 

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