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The trans debate

dairyair said:
Why does everyone only focus on trans women.
There are also as many trans men also.
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They're not attracted to trans-men as they are to trans-women. All of their "hate" is strictly directed towards trans-women and it reeks of repressed sexual tension.
 
Lisa said:
Once the effects of a person with a female gender identity are understood, then the other concerns disappear because they are non-issues.


Conservatives are desperate to find a way to erase the existence of trans people with their logically fallacious arguments. Maybe then after they erase trans people they will bring back slavery by trying to erase the fact that skin color is irrelevant. :oops:
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You need to find someone who wants to "erase the existence of trans people" and argue with them. That is not me.
 
Lisa said:
Once the effects of a person with a female gender identity are understood, then the other concerns disappear because they are non-issues.

Conservatives are desperate to find a way to erase the existence of trans people with their logically fallacious arguments. Maybe then after they erase trans people they will bring back slavery by trying to erase the fact that skin color is irrelevant. :oops:
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They don't want to erase trans-people, they just want to repress their sexual want of trans-women.
 
j brown's body said:
It's part of a rigid, narrow view of sexuality that keeps women barefoot and pregnant, divorce out-of-reach, casts suspicion on single, childless women, opposes birth control and abortion and keeps men in charge.
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It's regressivism, which is the term that the left should have chosen instead of using the regressive chosen misnomer "MAGA."
 
Simpletruther said:
I'm wondering how many realize this is not a debate about truth pretty much.

It's a debate about owning the definitions.

The two statements

1. A trans woman is not a woman.

2. A Trans woman is a woman.

Are both true for the speaker because truth depends on definitions and they're using different definitions.

Ultimately it boil down to a debate about the importance of biological sex in everyday language.

Obviously the extreme left wants to obfuscate biological sex and diminish its importance. You shouldn't care about biological sex when considering a mate to the extreme left for example.

And redefining traditional terms to obfuscate that serves that purpose.

Others like myself wanting easy way to distinguish biological sex and know what's what.
I don't want to have to do any extra investigating or digging to know someone's biological sex inquiring minds want to know.

On the other hand I don't have a problem with someone hiding it. I just don't want it to be easy in the norm.
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The “extreme left” wants everybody to mind their own effing business just as in the exchanges between females of childbearing age and their physicians,

This OTOH was is the perverse triggering the ignorant,

Trump - two genders ! In a speech before a bowel movement linked to neonazis..,

www.adl.org

Turning Point USA

www.adl.org www.adl.org

 
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j brown's body said:
Wut?
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If you notice, all of these discussions revolve around trans-women. It's also not a surprise that trans-porn (which is mostly centered around trans-women) is consumed chiefly in red states. Most fervent hate of the gay community often comes from people who have gay attractions. Trans-hate is no different.
 
Tettsuo said:
If you notice, all of these discussions revolve around trans-women. It's also not a surprise that trans-porn (which is mostly centered around trans-women) is consumed chiefly in red states. Most fervent hate of the gay community often comes from people who have gay attractions.
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Got it. Thanks.

Speaking of which, a fun movie to watch over the holidays:

 
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spud_meister said:
Most people don't know their biological sex, much less that of someone else. Unless you've had a karyotype done, you're simply assuming your sex matches what you were assigned. What you view as an "easy way to distinguish biological sex" is nothing more than gender euphoria, that is, your sexual identity matches what you expect it should be. That's just as much an ideological position as gender dysphoria.
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Close enough
 
HonestJoe said:
It isn't really a single debate but the debates certainly are (or should be) about truth. The only reason to move away from that is if the truth doesn't support your pre-determined position.

A trans woman is a woman and a trans woman is trans (the clue is in the name). A trans woman is also an individual human being. (There are also trans men, who are often ignored, despite the anti-trans proponents considering them female)

Different situations and issues inevitably need to take account of all of those aspects for all individuals involved (directly or hypothetically). The best (or least worst) conclusion in any given situation will be unique to that situation, even compared to nominally similar ones.
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We disagree. I don't deny any truth from trans activists that i know of.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Civil rights movements tend to get a lot of push back when they are nascent.
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Its fascinating to see the right-wing apply many of the same tropes against transgender that they used against gays. That they they now generally accept gays shows a real lack of any self-reflection on their part.
 
BirdinHand said:
Some people are hung up on trans individuals simply because they are hung up on the topic.

There is very little reasoning or justification.
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Have you answered the op directly with reasoning?
 
Questerr said:
The science of Biology confirms that biological sex does not determine gender or define what is man/woman. So only option 2 is actually supported by science.
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Can I see a link for that?
Questerr said:
But thank you for admitting you are transphobic because it is “easier” than supporting trans people. Thank you for also admitting that you want to make it difficult for trans people to exist in public.
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BirdinHand said:
So…what it boils down to is that you are afraid you may find someone attractive and then find out that they are not biologically what you thought they were?
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Well that might happen but I'm not afraid of it at all. That doesn't mean I like it.
BirdinHand said:
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Sounds like a personal issue.


One that could be resolved by talking to the person and asking them? Getting to know a person?


Crazy concept, right 🙄
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Or they could just let it be known through ordinary language.🤷
 
NatMorton said:
The problems come when the trans zealots demand that, from both a legal and public policy standpoint, trans women, specifically, be considered as women in places where there has historically been gender segregation, i.e. bathrooms, locker rooms, and competitive athletics. This is where their ideology starts to harm others and why it's reasonable to push back.

I really don't care whether I can identify that someone is trans or not. I do care about the women in my life and that their rights and their personal safety be taken into account, and neither should be put at risk just to indulge someone else's gender fantasy.
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I think personal safety is a weak argument and can be counted pretty easily with statistics
 
Slartibartfast said:
It really is the topic. There is an anti-civil rights push with maga right now.
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Well it's a topic sure.
it's a topic you appear to want to talk about.

but it's not the topic of the op.
 
Simpletruther said:
We disagree. I don't deny any truth from trans activists that i know of.
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How is it that only conservatives who who these supposed trans activists are? Ive never heard of such a person until MAGAs talked about these social leprechauns.

How many trans activists are in your phone's contact list?
 
Lisa said:
How is it that only conservatives who who these supposed trans activists are? Ive never heard of such a person until MAGAs talked about these social leprechauns.

How many trans activists are in your phone's contact list?
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So you have. never seen or heard from a trans activist?
 
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