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The Time For Sovereignty

Ganondagan

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Since 1948 Israel has been attacked far too often by Muslim neighbors bent on destroying the new state and annihilating the Jews. After all, what right do Jews, being nothing more than dogs and apes, have to live in the Middle East. Israeli citizens fought back every time against great odds, inspite of nearly undefendable borders, and won. Now may be the time to end that existential threat...declare sovereignty over Judea and Sumeria.

Likud ministers urge sovereignty over Judea and Samaria ahead of Trump-Netanyahu meet​

Likud ministers urge sovereignty over Judea and Samaria ahead of Trump-Netanyahu meet

Letter signed by all ministers from Bibi's party says now is the time to assert Israeli control over the biblical heartland.
www.israeltoday.co.il

Letter signed by all ministers from Bibi’s party says now is the time to assert Israeli control over the biblical heartland.
In a bold unified move, every minister from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party signed a letter on Wednesday urging the immediate application of Israeli sovereignty over the biblical heartland of Judea and Samaria before the Knesset’s summer recess concludes.

The letter—coordinated by the Yesha Council of Jewish communities in the so-called “West Bank”—stresses that this moment represents a “natural extension” of Israel’s strategic gains against Iran and its proxies. “The massacre of October 7 proved that establishing a Palestinian state poses an existential threat,” the letter states, adding: “It is time for sovereignty.”
 
Israel proving, once again, its fanatical desire to steal other people’s land.
 

Does that mean the Palestinians living there will be able to vote?
 
Red_Dave said:
Does that mean the Palestinians living there will be able to vote?
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I suppose so if Israel annexes the land and the palestinians become citizens.
 
Ganondagan said:
I suppose so if Israel annexes the land and the palestinians become citizens.
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Will never happen. If you add Israeli Arabs, Gazans and West Bank Palestinians toegether, they match the Israeli Jewish population and they grow faster. Basically it would become Palestine. The Jewish state can't afford to integrate the Palestinian population, they need to get rid of the people living on the land before annexing it.
 
Ganondagan said:
I suppose so if Israel annexes the land and the palestinians become citizens.
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Then it wouldn´t be Israel , or at least not for long. It would be a Palestinian state with a Jewish minority. Precisely what the PLO was fighting for up until the Oslo Agreement. Sounds a good idea if you ask me
 
There's no such place as Judea or Samaria, just as there's no Wessex or Mercia in Britain any longer. It's Zionist revisionism and some stupid biblical imperative.
 
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Do you consider Arabs to be non-productive? The Jewish state can absolutely afford to integrate Palestinians; Israel is a wealthy country.
 
snakestretcher said:
Do you consider Arabs to be non-productive? The Jewish state can absolutely afford to integrate Palestinians; Israel is a wealthy country.
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Israel is a Jewish State. If there are as many Arabs as Jews, it's not a Jewish state anymore. Israel can't annex the West Bank and Gaza with the people still living there without becoming Palestine. To keep being Israel they must either not annex the land, or unalive the people living there.
 
snakestretcher said:
There's no such place as Judea or Samaria, just as there's no Wessex or Mercia in Britain any longer. It's Zionist revisionism and some stupid biblical imperative.
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Judea and Sumaria are very real to Israel and those of us who support the Jewish claims. Jews are the only people to have ever had a nation in that location, the only people to have a legitimate historical claim to it.
 
Ganondagan said:
Judea and Sumaria are very real to Israel and those of us who support the Jewish claims. Jews are the only people to have ever had a nation in that location, the only people to have a legitimate historical claim to it.
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So a modern day Jew has the right to land they do not own because of history?

What about the Navajo? The Sioux?
 
Ganondagan said:
Judea and Sumaria are very real to Israel and those of us who support the Jewish claims. Jews are the only people to have ever had a nation in that location, the only people to have a legitimate historical claim to it.
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Didn't the crusader kingdom have a state based on those territories? So maybe the Catholic church has a legitimate and historical claim then?
 
Israel seems like a mistake. Most of the problems the Jewish people have in the world can be traced back to it.
 
PeacefulWarrior said:
So a modern day Jew has the right to land they do not own because of history?

What about the Navajo? The Sioux?
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If they think they can reclaim their land let em give it a shot.
 
joluoto said:
Didn't the crusader kingdom have a state based on those territories? So maybe the Catholic church has a legitimate and historical claim then?
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Yep, they may. If they want to establish some new crusader outfit and give it a shot, good luck to them.
 
Ganondagan said:
Judea and Sumaria are very real to Israel and those of us who support the Jewish claims. Jews are the only people to have ever had a nation in that location, the only people to have a legitimate historical claim to it.
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It's emotive, biblical irrelevance. So what that Jews have a country? Why shouldn't Palestinians have their own sovereign country and self-determination-especially given the absence of Jews from the region for 2000 years and who suddenly want "only Jewish sovereignty [between the Sea and the Jordan]". A bunch of Europeans turn up one day, throw you out of the homes you've lived in for generations, steal your land, torch your villages, kill your neighbours. What do you expect the Arabs to do; embrace the colonists with open arms; hand over their house keys with a welcoming smile?
Oh, and just because some Jews lived there 2000 years ago does not lend legitimacy to their 'god gave us the land' bullshit.
Israel, under Netanyahu and his genocidal Zionist cabal, has become an international pariah state. This isn't mere opinion, it's objective fact-and it's all on Israel and its Zionist ambition to create a Jewish ethno-state, free of inconvenient Muslims.

Netanyahu is turning Israel into a global pariah – the world has run out of patience

The joint statement by the UK, France and Canada – combined with UK sanctions and suspension of trade talks – shows the international community has finally run out of patience with Israel, writes chief international correspondent Bel Trew
www.independent.co.uk

American Jewry and the Rise of the Israeli Ethnoreligious State - Project on Middle East Political Science

Michael Barnett, George Washington University There are many rival explanations for why and how Israel evolved from a liberal democracy into an institutionalized ethnic and religious nationalism that discriminates against and disenfranchises the non-Jewish majority. Most of these explanations...
pomeps.org
 

More than a million and a half Muslims live in Israel with full citizenship rights.
 
Ganondagan said:
More than a million and a half Muslims live in Israel with full citizenship rights.
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Yes, let's do the math. Israel has about 7,2 million Jews and 2 millions Israeli Arabs, and 550,000 classified as Others. Gaza probably has less than 2 million now, but probably something like 1.9 or 1.8 million people. There has not been a estimgation of the Palestinian population on the West Bank (and East Jerusalem) since 2012, and then it was believed there lived 2,6 million Palestinians there, now tough guesses is that the population has increased to around 3 million. 2+3+ almost 2, that is almost 7 million, almost as many as the Israeli Jews. And that is the demographic problem. The Palestinian population is also shown to grow faster than the Jewish Israeli population. And this is exactly why already in the 00s Israeli leaders like Sharon and Olmert talked about the "Demographic Problem", and that the real threat was not Palestinians wanting a separate State, but Palestinians moving from a "Irish to a South African" strategy. Which was why they left Gaza, btw, fear that Gaza was becoming to intertwined with Israel. Israel can't be the Jewish State, if the Jewish population is not in a clear majority. This is why they can't annex Gaza and the West Bank unless they first get annihilate the local population.
 
Ganondagan said:
More than a million and a half Muslims live in Israel with full citizenship rights.
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That's laughable; on paper, maybe, but the reality for Israeli Arabs is very different. Oh, and the point of my post was that Palestinian Arabs are as entitled to self-determination in their own, contiguous state as Israel is-which of course Israel will not allow under any circumstances.
The discrimination doesn't stop with Palestinians; even Jews aren't welcome in Israel if they're of an unacceptable race and ethnicity. Got to preserve the white, European look.

Israel: No promised land for Ethiopian Jews

Israel's skin-colour scheme has proved unwelcome to many sectors of the population. For Ethiopians, racism has been the name of the game
www.middleeasteye.net

Palestinian citizens of Israel fear risk of becoming stateless amidst rising calls for citizenship revocation

A history of displacement and statelessness The forced displacement of Palestinians during the Nakba in 1948 left them without a recognised state, resulting in the largest and longest-standing refugee population in the world.
www.statelessness.eu
 
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