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FinnMacCool said:yes, not to mention the fact that congress voted to go into Iraq because of Weapons of Mass Destruction period. There wasn't a list of things, as some conservative radio hosts say.
Actually, Congress never voted. They passed a resolution granting the president the power to decide, with the hope that the president was going to get the UN's approval before going into Iraq.
ban.the.electoral.college said:
Actually, Congress never voted. They passed a resolution granting the president the power to decide, with the hope that the president was going to get the UN's approval before going into Iraq.
ban.the.electoral.college said:
Actually, Congress never voted. They passed a resolution granting the president the power to decide, with the hope that the president was going to get the UN's approval before going into Iraq.
FinnMacCool said:yes, not to mention the fact that congress voted to go into Iraq because of Weapons of Mass Destruction period. There wasn't a list of things, as some conservative radio hosts say.
cnredd said:Declarations of war have been acceptable means and diplomatic measures since the Renaissance, when the first formal declarations of war were issued.
Declarations of war have been phased out as a diplomatic tool since the end of the Second World War, particularly in the case of the United States. Among other reasons, this is because the legal concept of a "state of war" brings with it many logistical complications involving the established laws of war and other complex political issues.
In democratic nations, a Declaration of War customarily has to be passed by the legislature. Today, the legislature will often simply pass an "authorization for the use of force" instead. In both cases such resolutions serve to empower the national Commander in Chief to use his war powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_War
Now let's see if "Congesss never voted" and only passed a resolution...
Military engagements authorized by Congress
Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
And down at the bottom of this chart...what do we see?
War or conflict --------Iraq War
Enemy or enemies------Iraq
Initial authorization-----H.J.Res. 114
Senate vote-----------77-23
House vote------------296-133
Conclusion-------------ongoing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
Well how about that?!?!? A Military Engagement authorized by Congess....
What are those little words next to "Senate" & "House"??? Looks like "vote" to me...what were those words used by ban.the.electoral.college again?
So how do they pass a "resolution"?...Tea leaves?...Do they go outside and play H.O.R.S.E.?
My guess is they...(trumpets blaring)...VOTE!:2wave:
cnredd said:Declarations of war have been acceptable means and diplomatic measures since the Renaissance, when the first formal declarations of war were issued.
Declarations of war have been phased out as a diplomatic tool since the end of the Second World War, particularly in the case of the United States. Among other reasons, this is because the legal concept of a "state of war" brings with it many logistical complications involving the established laws of war and other complex political issues.
In democratic nations, a Declaration of War customarily has to be passed by the legislature. Today, the legislature will often simply pass an "authorization for the use of force" instead. In both cases such resolutions serve to empower the national Commander in Chief to use his war powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_War
Now let's see if "Congesss never voted" and only passed a resolution...
Military engagements authorized by Congress
Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
And down at the bottom of this chart...what do we see?
War or conflict --------Iraq War
Enemy or enemies------Iraq
Initial authorization-----H.J.Res. 114
Senate vote-----------77-23
House vote------------296-133
Conclusion-------------ongoing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
Well how about that?!?!? A Military Engagement authorized by Congess....
What are those little words next to "Senate" & "House"??? Looks like "vote" to me...what were those words used by ban.the.electoral.college again?
So how do they pass a "resolution"?...Tea leaves?...Do they go outside and play H.O.R.S.E.?
My guess is they...(trumpets blaring)...VOTE!:2wave:
ban.the.electoral.college said:FYI, wikipedia is not a valid source for debate. Anyone can edit a wiki
ban.the.electoral.college said:Check this information out, for starters:
http://journals.aol.com/bmiller224/OldHickorysWeblog/entries/1657
"...Bush actually violated the war resolution in the way he went to war in Iraq."
vauge said:The arguement isn't IF it was voted on - it's WHAT was voted on.
On one hand, congress granted President the power to engage in a war against Sadam - if he needed to.
On the other, some folks believe that the President didn't justify those new powers thus it was not "what they voted on" - after the fact.
This is what Kerry's famous arguement is about - "I voted for it, before I voted against it".
This created a big falsely created loophole from folks agains the war.
In short, the "I didn't vote for that" arguement doens't hold water because it's it their signatures on the document.
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