Boo Radley
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feel free to predict the future objectively
you are making stuff up now
Sure you can. Even if Iraq becomes heaven on earth, we still spent too much. It is false to say we can't measure today. We spent a ton of money, help our enemy recruit, made things better for Iran, lost thousnads of lives, and we've no safer than we were. In fact, nothing in Iraq applies to our safety at all. No country attacked us, and a democracy has no effect on terrorist, the Bush premise flawed from the beginging. All of this can be objectively measured.
Using your logic Welfare, the bailouts do not need to be justified because you are not smart enough to claim to know all the information that those who made the decision to enact those policies. As you state they were charged with making those decisions
So what you're saying is. You can't justify the invasion of Iraq. Good to know.
nice try but the constitution delegates war to the president but welfare was not a power delegated to the executive or the congress.
You are of course forgetting a few words in the Constitution
"promote the general welfare". What could promote the general welfare more then welfare?
LOL
another constitutional lawyer wannabee
that term as used in the 18th century had nothing to do with income redistribution
try again, that topic has been beaten so hard on this forum it is now hamburger.
we could call enslaving blacks "welfare" and that would make it constitutional?
Enslaving blacks takes away from "all men created equal"
again you are making stuff up
if our invasion of Iraq turns Iraq into a country like say Japan and Germany became a couple decades after WWII and from that stabilizes the mideast than it would be worth it
you again are making opinions masquerade as fact
It can't do that. Not possible. Iraq can't do anything to make radicals not radical. That's like believing in fair dust and nice elfs. Iraq is a nation. Terrorist are not. They fight under no flag. Nothing done in any country changes this. Again, you are buying into a flase premise.
And no, we can measure. Have measured. Iraq helped recruitment for our enemy. Measured. Iraq cost a ton. Measured. Thousands died. measured. No measurable improvement in safety. No measurable reduction in terrorism or threat. Loss of credibility. measured. As you can see, objectively we can measure and assess.
lets see your objective proof
all I see are opinions
Where have you been? Do you really believe we don't knwo how much the war cost? A good idea of the human cost? That we haven't reported on on how Iraq helped Al Qaeda and others with recruitment? Seriously. where have you been?
allowing some people to vote while not paying taxes while forcing others to pay massive taxes without them having additional voting rights is hardly equality either
but lets get back to your ignorance of what "general welfare means"
Well I'm inclined to side with you Boo you should be able to back these facts up. That's all that he is asking. I know that there are several respectable (okay... umm... Major I guess since no news outlet is respectable these days) News Outlets that have covered these stories.
General welfare would of course mean promoting the overall well being of America, to improve the quality of life of Americans.
As such, providing "welfare" for those that need it, is consitutional
No, it isn't ahrd to do. But seems bothersome to do what is common knowledge.
COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War
iCasualties | Operation Iraqi Freedom | Iraq
Iraq Body Count
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war 'helped al-Qaeda recruit'
War Helps Recruit Terrorists, Hill Told (washingtonpost.com)
Hard for me to believe this isn't well known. Any search would turn up this and more.
SO anything that congress says promotes the general welfare is constitutional? I deny that taking from one group for the benefit of another group promotes the general welfare of the country as a whole
and do find some authority for the proposition that merely calling the dole or income redistribution "welfare" is consistent with the 18the century term you seem to think justifies the dole
uh that still doesn't prove your claim that its a waste of money. we don't know how things will turn out
I am sure lots of people thought the marshall plan was a waste of money. I am sure some thought the occupation of Japan was as well.
Has the supreme court agreed with your opinion?
No, it proves my claim that it is measurable, objectively. Now, add. Add cost. Add benefit. Objectively. Cost of war in terms of dollors, lives, help for recruiting Al Qaeda, versus, what, a pipe dream? Fairy dust? Again, we can measure today.
if the supreme court's current opinion is all that matters than we can tell all the libs who claim that there is no right to keep and bear arms to STFU?
many statutes that were passed for "the general welfare" were struck down on tenth amendment grounds such as the Lopez decision which dealt with federal laws preventing firearms within a certain distance of schools.
You can tell everyone to STFU, but as you have a right to free speech, you cant really enforce it very well
if the supreme court's current opinion is all that matters than we can tell all the libs who claim that there is no right to keep and bear arms to STFU?
You are of course forgetting a few words in the Constitution
"promote the general welfare". What could promote the general welfare more then welfare?
Of course you will say that is not what it means, but a strict interpretation of the words, it does. Just like the right to bear arms with a strict interpretation means you should be able to posses any weapon
more opinions-you are pretending to know what will happen down the road.
If the American people asked for this, then we are all even more screwed than I thought...
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