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Further reading for those interested! Talmud - My Jewish Learning I hope this has been interesting and I'm happy to try and answer any questions that I can though I should preface it by saying that I'm by no means a Talmudic scholar though I've studied it.
Is it fair to say that the Talmud is for some Jews the equivalent to Sharia law for some Muslims?
Does the Talmud teach that the individual known as Jesus Christ, to His believers and followers, was, in fact, a bastard child conceived during menstruation?
I've never heard that but there are few passages that are probably references to Jesus, but most of them are veiled if they refer to him at all.
Can you validate whether or not the following is from the Talmud? If so, what is your interpretation?
The Talmud teaches that Jesus Christ was illegitimate and was conceived during menstruation; that he had the soul of Esau; that he was a fool, a conjurer, a seducer; that he was crucified, buried in hell and set up as an idol ever since by his followers.
1. ILLEGITIMATE AND CONCEIVED DURING MENSTRUATION
The following is narrated in the Tract Kallah, 1b:
"Once when the Elders were seated at the Gate, two young men passed by, one of whom had his head covered, the other with his head bare. Rabbi Eliezer remarked that the one in his bare head was illegitimate, a mamzer. Rabbi Jehoschua said that he was conceived during menstruation, ben niddah. Rabbi Akibah, however, said that he was both. Whereupon the others asked Rabbi Akibah why he dared to contradict his colleagues. He answered that he could prove what he said. He went therefore to the boy's mother whom he saw sitting in the market place selling vegetables and said to her: 'My daughter, if you will answer truthfully what I am going to ask you, I promise that you will be saved in the next life.' She demanded that he would swear to keep his promise, and Rabbi Akibah did so—but with his lips only, for in his heart he invalidated his oath. Then he said: 'Tell me, what kind of son is this of yours'? To which she replied: 'The day I was married I was having menstruation, and because of this my husband left me. But an evil spirit came and slept with me and from this intercourse my son was born to me.' Thus it was proved that this young man was not only illegitimate but also conceived during the menstruation of his mother. And when his questioners heard this they declared: 'Great indeed was Rabbi Akibah when he corrected his Elders'! And they exclaimed: 'Blessed be the Lord God of Israel who revealed his secret to Rabbi Akibah the son of Joseph' "!
That the Jews understand this story to refer to Jesus and his mother, Mary, is clearly demonstrated in their book Toldath Jeschu—'The Generations of Jesus'—<snip>
(4) cf. Synag. Jud. Chap. VIII, p. 133.
It would be fair to make that comparison, yes.
Edit: But it is important to emphasize that the Talmud isn't just law. But Halackha can be compared to Sharia.
Understood and no offense meant by the statement. Just want people to have another way to view the Talmud.
Perhaps another way to look at this would be for the Talmud as in America we look at findings from the Supreme Court as to whether something is constitutional.
Is it fair to say that the Talmud is for some Jews the equivalent to Sharia law for some Muslims?
Does the Talmud teach that the individual known as Jesus Christ, to His believers and followers, was, in fact, a bastard child conceived during menstruation?
Can you validate whether or not the following is from the Talmud? If so, what is your interpretation?
The Talmud teaches that Jesus Christ was illegitimate and was conceived during menstruation; that he had the soul of Esau; that he was a fool, a conjurer, a seducer; that he was crucified, buried in hell and set up as an idol ever since by his followers.
1. ILLEGITIMATE AND CONCEIVED DURING MENSTRUATION
The following is narrated in the Tract Kallah, 1b:
"Once when the Elders were seated at the Gate, two young men passed by, one of whom had his head covered, the other with his head bare. Rabbi Eliezer remarked that the one in his bare head was illegitimate, a mamzer. Rabbi Jehoschua said that he was conceived during menstruation, ben niddah. Rabbi Akibah, however, said that he was both. Whereupon the others asked Rabbi Akibah why he dared to contradict his colleagues. He answered that he could prove what he said. He went therefore to the boy's mother whom he saw sitting in the market place selling vegetables and said to her: 'My daughter, if you will answer truthfully what I am going to ask you, I promise that you will be saved in the next life.' She demanded that he would swear to keep his promise, and Rabbi Akibah did so—but with his lips only, for in his heart he invalidated his oath. Then he said: 'Tell me, what kind of son is this of yours'? To which she replied: 'The day I was married I was having menstruation, and because of this my husband left me. But an evil spirit came and slept with me and from this intercourse my son was born to me.' Thus it was proved that this young man was not only illegitimate but also conceived during the menstruation of his mother. And when his questioners heard this they declared: 'Great indeed was Rabbi Akibah when he corrected his Elders'! And they exclaimed: 'Blessed be the Lord God of Israel who revealed his secret to Rabbi Akibah the son of Joseph' "!
That the Jews understand this story to refer to Jesus and his mother, Mary, is clearly demonstrated in their book Toldath Jeschu—'The Generations of Jesus'—<snip>
(4) cf. Synag. Jud. Chap. VIII, p. 133.
Kallah, 1b, 18b. The quotation does not exist in this volume. This is a complete fabrication, and even the reference numbers are fabricated.
You have to realize that there are a lot of lie about what is in the Talmud, and what it actually said. That passage does not actually exist in the Talmud. It's a fake quote made up by anti-Semites.
Falsifiers of the Talmud
No, it does not. First of all. you have to realize that Jesus was a very common name in that time frame. Just because the name Jesus is mentioned does not mean that it is referring to a person that Christian's call Jesus Christ. There are some passages someone whose father was Pandera, who might actually be the son of Strada instead, and there are some later additions of the talmud where in other sections that insert the name Jesus into another section of Pandera, but the parallel versions and older versions do not have that in. The proper terminology for the person known as 'Jesus of Nazareth' woudl be Jesus son of Joseph, not Jesus son of Pandera. The use of the name Jesus as 'son of Pandera' appears to be a later addition too.
You have to remember the modern translation from the Aramaic to English of Y'shua would be Joshua. Because there was a King Joshua, Y'shua would be sort of like calling someone "Fred" or "Jim" . Joseph was also a very common name, so it wouldn't be surprising to find a number of "Y'shua ben Joseph's" running around.. as well as tons of Miriam (that would be the equivalent of Mary today). That is one reason that whole"We found the tomb of Mary, Jospeh and Jesus" doesn't really show anything, because that names were that common.Interesting. I do remember reading something, years ago, claiming that Jesus of Nazareth's name was Y'shua ben Panthera. The illegitimate offspring of a Roman soldier. I took it with a grain of salt but the book was interesting just the same.
Talmud is man made unlike god inspired Torah.every argument is invalid,talmud is not different from so called hadiths in islam
That is totally and utterly misrepresenting what the Talmud is. Yes, it is man made, but then again, it doesn't claim to be anything but man made. It is valid, in so much that it is looking at the Torah, and trying to fit the laws of the Torah into what was then modern society. It's not up to other religions to say what is valid or not valid in Judaism, it's up to the practitioners of the Jewish faith.
I understand but talmud is a racist book..I am just doing jewish people a favor by claiming talmud is man made!
When people make the claim that the talmud is a 'racist book', it is quite often that they 1) don't know what is in the Talmud and 2) are looking at a site that is taking out of context quotes or there is a lot of quotes that are totally and utterly fabricated. Look at it this way. You know how there are certain people that tell how horrible that the Koran is, and how that it is bloody and hateful?? You know how you respond to those claims?? It's the same when you are claiming the Talmud is racist.
You are not doing the Jews any favors at all. You are, however, showing ignorance and prejudice. Don't do the same behavior that you get aggravated on when others do it to the Koran when it comes to the Talmud. It does you no favors at all.
Qoran is not man made ,but talmud is man made lilek hadiths in islam.Qoran and talmud can not be compared
I read the holy books before internet was invented.now tell me is it ok to cheat non jews ? or killing them ?
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