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The Swedish government fell

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Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven loses no-confidence vote

This development was half exepcted. The moment the Left withdrew their support of the Löfven government it was in serious danger of falling. Löfven's choices are now to resign, and let government negotiations start, as the leader of the largest party he'd be given a shot to form a new government, but his current coalition with his Social Democrats and the Greens was a minority coalition that needed opposition backing. The backing came in the form of the Left, and the two small centrist parties: The Center Party and the Liberals. The Moderates are the second largest parties but a traditional bourgeois coalition (Moderates, Liberals, Center Party and Christian Democrats) would also lack majority and would require backing of the far right Sweden Democrats, something especially the centrist parties has previously been firmly against. Löfven's other choice is to call a snap election.
 
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Who has the sign-off on the new government - the King?
 
I am not very familiar with the Swedish Constitution.

Am I to understand that is Stefan stays he faces a new election this year, but if he resigns some sort of coalition runs the nation until that election?

And all of this comes down to regulations (or not) on rental housing?
 
Who has the sign-off on the new government - the King?

As I understand it, the King no longer has those kinds of power. Perhaps has a mere formality. But certainly not as necessary for approval by the sole decision of the King.
 
For those of us who know almost nothing about Sweden (except for one "controversial" matter, which I am loath to mention), could you tell us why the Left withdrew their support?
Because the Left didn't like proposed changes in Swedish rental laws. The current law has rent controls to keep apartment rents manageable for tenants, but the government proposed to scrap, presumably pressured by the Center Party and the Liberals, both opposed to rent controls.
 
Who has the sign-off on the new government - the King?
His Majesty has very little power in Sweden, even quite low on symbolical power. The system is supposed to take care of itself. The Constitution says what is supposed to happen, and the parties are supposed to follow the playbook without involvement of the Head of State.
 
I am not very familiar with the Swedish Constitution.

Am I to understand that is Stefan stays he faces a new election this year, but if he resigns some sort of coalition runs the nation until that election?

And all of this comes down to regulations (or not) on rental housing?
Okay, he has two options. Call snap elections, or resign and the current Parliament goes into new government negotiations. Until a new government is seated the old government works as caretaker government, i.e. is blocked from introducing policies and just upkeep the functions of state.
 
His Majesty has very little power in Sweden, even quite low on symbolical power.
Is there much support for abolishing the monarchy?

Or do most Swedes still like the idea of a symbolic monarch?

(Here in the States, some people -- such as I -- consider Mr. Biden to be in fact a ceremonial leader, something like a king who is above the fray. We feel that other people are making the actual decisions behind the scenes.)
 
Is there much support for abolishing the monarchy?

Or do most Swedes still like the idea of a symbolic monarch?

(Here in the States, some people -- such as I -- consider Mr. Biden to be in fact a ceremonial leader, something like a king who is above the fray. We feel that other people are making the actual decisions behind the scenes.)
There isn't a strong anti-monarchist movement in Sweden. There's enough support for the royal family, and most Swedes like the rest of the royal family better than the king. A lot of Swedes simply don't care at all either way.

Here in Finland the President has become mostly symbolic, only really functions as the country's top diplomat, but retains some political power, but not much. The eras of Kekkonen and Koivisto are long gone.
 
All I know about Finland is that even the tyrant Stalin expressed respect for the Finnish general who managed to hold on to some Finnish territory that Russia wanted to steal.

I think that general is your national hero.
 
As I understand it, the King no longer has those kinds of power. Perhaps has a mere formality. But certainly not as necessary for approval by the sole decision of the King.
He doesn’t the left executed a coup d’etat against the king during a regency in the 70s to put the rightful powers of the king in parliament
 
All I know about Finland is that even the tyrant Stalin expressed respect for the Finnish general who managed to hold on to some Finnish territory that Russia wanted to steal.

I think that general is your national hero.
A lot of people like Field Marshal Mannerheim. He is somewhat problematic, mostly for things before WW2. And there are definitely some people that will get really angry if you point out the fact that he was a Swedish speaker and his Finnish was quite bad.
 
For those of us who know almost nothing about Sweden (except for one "controversial" matter, which I am loath to mention), could you tell us why the Left withdrew their support?

The Swedish rental as well as labor market is a bit special. That it's both "no free market" and "no government", that instead you have negotiations between the landlords and the tenant organization Hyresgästförening just like you have negotiations between the employer organizations and the unions. Like for example Sweden don't have a minimum wage set by the government instead minimum wages is set in collective agreements that apply to a large majority of workers. There the reason that the government fell was that government proposed a new law that would have taken away the right to negations for new apartments and the landlords can instead decide the rent on their own. There that not only risked higher rents but also would have weakening the traditional strong civil society in Sweden and that change also risked quickly to spread to existing apartments.

There those proposed changes is part of global trend there housing have gone from being a right to something corporate finance can speculate and profit on. There the fall of the Swedish government is a push back against that trend.

 
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Is there much support for abolishing the monarchy?

Or do most Swedes still like the idea of a symbolic monarch?

(Here in the States, some people -- such as I -- consider Mr. Biden to be in fact a ceremonial leader, something like a king who is above the fray. We feel that other people are making the actual decisions behind the scenes.)
Except he can give off executive orders, chooses all the members of his parliament and has way way way more power than most of the EU royalty.
 
Except he can give off executive orders, chooses all the members of his parliament and has way way way more power than most of the EU royalty.

Hi!

Mr. Biden does not choose the members of Congress.

Of course, that could occur someday, for the Democratic Party here in the States has many members who favor a more authoritarian government. For example, you probably know that they supported former President Trump being banned on social media.

Maybe you were referring to the Cabinet, which has secretaries that run the various departments. Yes, he -- with the approval of Congress -- chooses those secretaries.

Have a nice day in your beautiful and peaceful country of Holland!
 
For those of us who know almost nothing about Sweden (except for one "controversial" matter, which I am loath to mention), could you tell us why the Left withdrew their support?
The goverment formed an agreement with 2 liberal parties in order to be allowed to become goverment. One of the conditions from the liberal parties was that the left party was not allowed to have any influence on the politics and that no negosiations where to be made with the left party. Thing was though that the goverment, which included the socialdemocrats and the green party, together with the liberal parties didn't have majority on their own. They needed the mandates from the left party in order to have majority. Beside that the govement agreed to a 74 point list of extreme liberal politics they should implement during the mandatperiod, from the liberal parties. Many of those points were so radical liberal political messurements that the liberals couldn't get the former conservative goverment to agree to. This even though they then was in the goverment together with the conservatives.

The reason for making this unholy allience was said to be to keep the far right (a party that was sprong from the white supremacy party) out.The conservative parties mean that this party no longer hold those values and want to work with them in a goverment.

The left party has worked together with the conservatives to stop the most extreme liberal politics and has had to let others pass since they do prefer a socialdemocratic led goverment to a conservative, but there was one point in this program that the left party said from the beginning that if this was brought through they would withdraw their support for the goverment. In this matter they can not get the conservative to vote against the suggestion, since it is totally in line with the conservative politics, but the conservative has also said from the beginning that if the left party for any reason was open to vote away the goverment, they would do so as well (hence the goverment would fall).

So the point in discussion was free renting market (the owners can set whatever rent they want) for newly build rental housing. Today we have a system with an organisation for those who rent their housing that negosiate rentals with a owners organisation. One problem that complicates the matter further is that if you have low income you can get benefits for rental, which in fact would mean that the rise in rents and extra money to the owners (which, in sweden have enormous winnings already) wouldn't just be paid by the renters but also by the taxpayers.

The mandates to our parlaments was very evenly split between all sides so it was very difficult to form a goverment after the last election. No old partners had majority.

My take on this is:

Thing is that liberal politics in some senses are to the right of the most conservatives politics and a socialdemocratic goverment that implements politics to the right of the conservatives, just isn't right... It should never have been. Everyone talks about that the problem is the new ultra right party, but to me, the problem is the socialdemocrats. Any and al cooperation they can see is with themselves in goverment. If they really was troubled by the ultra right they could have given the support to our largest conservative party to form a goverment. Together those two parties has majority. They then could have made a program , like the one the liberal party made with them. With politics that they wanted the conservatives to implement or politics that they would not be allowed to change during the mandat period. This way they would have shattered the ultra rights party's goals of forming an alliance with the conservatives (which they now have done) and on the same time been able to have politics much closer to what their voters want. And it would have been a much more stable governemt.

The Socialdemocratic party unfortunatly still lives in the reality when they had majority on their own and their respect for other parties and their self awareness are very limited.
 
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Hi!

Mr. Biden does not choose the members of Congress.

Of course, that could occur someday, for the Democratic Party here in the States has many members who favor a more authoritarian government. For example, you probably know that they supported former President Trump being banned on social media.

Maybe you were referring to the Cabinet, which has secretaries that run the various departments. Yes, he -- with the approval of Congress -- chooses those secretaries.

Have a nice day in your beautiful and peaceful country of Holland!
My apologies, a bit sleepy there, it was supposed to read "members of his cabinet/administration". And my country of the Netherlands is a lot Orange rather than peaceful ;)
 
My apologies, a bit sleepy there, it was supposed to read "members of his cabinet/administration". And my country of the Netherlands is a lot Orange rather than peaceful ;)

Many people envy you Dutch people.

Don't be so modest.

Your country has long been known for its tolerance.

For example, I have read that back in the bad old days when England treated gay people horribly, some English men would regularly visit Holland so that they could breathe free at least for a few days before returning to England.

And there was an African American singer named Arthur Conley who spent his last years in Holland because his ethnicity & gayness made life hard for him here.
 
Many people envy you Dutch people.

Don't be so modest.

Your country has long been known for its tolerance.

For example, I have read that back in the bad old days when England treated gay people horribly, some English men would regularly visit Holland so that they could breathe free at least for a few days before returning to England.

And there was an African American singer named Arthur Conley who spent his last years in Holland because his ethnicity & gayness made life hard for him here.
we were the country that first legalized gay marriage. Because we do not see a reason why not to allow gay marriage. And our Queen signed this law into the books.

In Belgium they have a catholic king, and in the Netherlands it is a protestant queen/king. When the abortion law had to be signed in the Netherlands the queen just signed the law. In Belgium it lead to a constitutional crises in which the king refused to sign the law. He had to be removed from office for the time it took for the law to be signed by the entire government/cabinet. Now he said to the government if you want this law passed, declare me incapable of doing my job which the government did for one day and the day after the declared him capable again.

I think a royal has to do what the people have decided and not try and frustrate the process.
 
we were the country that first legalized gay marriage. Because we do not see a reason why not to allow gay marriage. And our Queen signed this law into the books.

In Belgium they have a catholic king, and in the Netherlands it is a protestant queen/king. When the abortion law had to be signed in the Netherlands the queen just signed the law. In Belgium it lead to a constitutional crises in which the king refused to sign the law. He had to be removed from office for the time it took for the law to be signed by the entire government/cabinet. Now he said to the government if you want this law passed, declare me incapable of doing my job which the government did for one day and the day after the declared him capable again.

I think a royal has to do what the people have decided and not try and frustrate the process.
Agree fully with your last sentence. The monarch must support the democratic process, not usurp it.
 
Agree fully with your last sentence. The monarch must support the democratic process, not usurp it.
1. I understand that the Queen of England can veto a law -- in theory. But, of course, she never would.

2. Here in the States, the President can veto a law, but Congress can ignore that veto if it can get enough members to override (ignore) the veto.
 
1. I understand that the Queen of England can veto a law -- in theory. But, of course, she never would.
Queen Elizabeth is also Queen of Canada. She doesn't so much 'veto' laws as give something called royal assent. Without that no law can be enacted. She can dismiss Prime Ministers (or entire governments) and appoints PMs to serve 'at her pleasure'. Of course all of this is done following tradition and law.
2. Here in the States, the President can veto a law, but Congress can ignore that veto if it can get enough members to override (ignore) the veto.
In Canada that situation doesn't exist - there is no way around royal assent. It's never been withheld although a former Governor General (Queen's rep and defacto Head of State) did indicate to a Prime Minister that he would fire the government and call an election had Quebec not been on board with the Constitution.
 
Queen Elizabeth is also Queen of Canada. She doesn't so much 'veto' laws as give something called royal assent.
Thank you for reminding me of the difference between a veto and the royal assent.

I guess we can say that the American President can say "NO" while Queen Elizabeth (in theory) could refuse to say "Yes."
 
Agree fully with your last sentence. The monarch must support the democratic process, not usurp it.
And royals have to move on with the times. I know that is not going to happen with royal families who refuse or cannot/will not step down at a reasonable age to make place for the next generation and who are totally averse to modernizing the monarchy and the hangers on (counts, viscount, baronet, etc. etc. etc. you know the stuffy backward inherited upper class people).
 
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