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The Supreme Court Just Showed Us What Contempt for Expertise Looks Like

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"Dozens of mainstream medical societies, including the leading associations of pediatricians, filed amici briefs arguing against S.B.1. Apparently trying to find their footing, conservative justices asked about new regulations in the United Kingdom and Sweden. But those regulations were written by medical — not legislative — authorities, and they come nowhere near a total ban.

...The ease with which legislators overrule doctors, and the relatively small amount of attention this overreach received during the Supreme Court hearing, are symptoms of our times. Just in the last few years, more than half the states have passed legislation that limits access to gender-affirming care. Many of the laws are at least as restrictive as S.B.1 — despite the medical profession’s opposition to total bans. Defying medical consensus is becoming something of a national pastime. Childhood vaccination rates continue their precipitous decline. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., vaccine skeptic and raw-milk proponent, is our secretary of health and human services designee.

Rejection of genuine expertise is both a precondition and a function of autocracy. Joseph Stalin’s regime outlawed genetics as “pseudoscience,” while he himself was declared an expert in all fields, from linguistics to biology.

Contempt for expertise is not the only autocratic force at work in the case of S.B.1 and in similar laws. Another is the government’s intrusion into private lives — in this case, the shameless assumption that legislators can make decisions that rightfully belong with families and their physicians. The Federal District Court cited this issue as one of its reasons for overturning S.B.1. Parents have a “fundamental right to direct the medical care of their children,” the court wrote. That, however, is the part of the case the Supreme Court decided not even to consider.

A third force is the growing intolerance of minorities and, in particular, people who dare to challenge tradition. It’s a cliché to point out that the totalitarian governments of the 20th century jailed and killed freethinkers and outliers of every kind. But it’s a cliché that seems to need repeating, since contemporary autocrats do the same thing — and many of them start by targeting L.G.B.T.Q. people."

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One notes that while right-wing legislators and judges support determining medical issues, while ignoring the experts, they are doing a similar thing with 3dycatiin by forcing curriculum and policy on schools.

The author correctly refers to this as a sign if autocracy at the same time the country elects a president who, among other things, wants the senate to abdicate their power to the executive in the appointing of his cabinet.
 
Hmm… what law or constitutional basis exists for doctors (or any other professionals) to be given the power to overrule legislators?

The ease with which legislators overrule doctors…
 
I noted, with considerable contempt, that Alito engaged in the most egregious hypocrisy in his questioning. The same Associate Justice that argued vociferously that the judiciary should make technical decisions without expertise rather than defer to government experts did a complete about face in arguing that the courts should defer to State legislatures rather than look at the facts upon which the laws were constructed. He's just such a two-faced poseur it is infuriating. An intellectual non-entity.
 
Hmm… what law or constitutional basis exists for doctors (or any other professionals) to be given the power to overrule legislators?
Good God, your absolute ignorance of the Constitution, its undergirding philosophy and the basics of law, truly knows no bounds. And you claim to be a libertarian.
 
What is "3dycatiin" ?
 
I noted, with considerable contempt, that Alito engaged in the most egregious hypocrisy in his questioning. The same Associate Justice that argued vociferously that the judiciary should make technical decisions without expertise rather than defer to government experts did a complete about face in arguing that the courts should defer to State legislatures rather than look at the facts upon which the laws were constructed. He's just such a two-faced poseur it is infuriating. An intellectual non-entity.
No different than Alito’s 180 on standing when the strict standard he used to eliminate pleadings he didn’t like worked against a web designer who might someday offer that service and doctors who did not perform abortions but might one day lose money from interruption of their own practice resulting from having to attend to someone experiencing complications from taking the morning after pill.

Who can forget Alito and his pals ignoring MOHELA’s denial it had been harmed and thus did but have standing?



Scalia, authior of Lujan, must be rolling right out if his grave.
 
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Hmm… what law or constitutional basis exists for doctors (or any other professionals) to be given the power to overrule legislators?
"Hello. I'm from the government. I am here to help you. I have no medial training, but I've decided I know more than doctors, so I am going to be performing your surgery today. I have the power to do that, you know."
 
What is "3dycatiin" ?

A term used by another Progressive. ;)

"Hello. I'm from the government. I am here to help you. I have no medial training, but I've decided I know more than doctors, so I am going to be performing your surgery today. I have the power to do that, you know."

The TN law being debated doesn’t allow legislations to be performing any surgery, but you be you.
 
A term used by another Progressive. ;)



The TN law being debated doesn’t allow legislations to be performing any surgery, but you be you.
Oh yeah, right. Don't like the message, make it about the messenger. Very impressive!

To an ant.
 
A term used by another Progressive. ;)



The TN law being debated doesn’t allow legislations to be performing any surgery, but you be you.
Would you permit a 58 year old white male RWE lawyer to remove your 12 year old child’s diseased appendix? No? Than why on earth would you permit the average Republican state legislator to overrule the judgment of a panel of pediatric specialists treating your child after diagnosing other disorders elevating in their opinion, suicide risk?
 
Hmm… what law or constitutional basis exists for doctors (or any other professionals) to be given the power to overrule legislators?
I understood where you were going with that. (y)
 
A term used by another Progressive. ;)



The TN law being debated doesn’t allow legislations to be performing any surgery, but you be you.
Legislators arent typically surgeons. A politician isn't qualified to made law on medical science.
 
Legislators arent typically surgeons. A politician isn't qualified to made law on medical science.

The law doesn’t establish “medical science”. BTW, politicians frequently pass laws regulating permissible (and impermissible) the standards for, actions of and procedures of many professions.
 
Apparently trying to find their footing, conservative justices asked about new regulations in the United Kingdom and Sweden. But those regulations were written by medical — not legislative — authorities, and they come nowhere near a total ban.

How are laws being written by unelected people consistent with representative democracy?



Btw, please don't post links to paywalled articles. You can usually find it somewhere else for free:

 
The law doesn’t establish “medical science”. BTW, politicians frequently pass laws regulating permissible (and impermissible) the standards for, actions of and procedures of many professions.
I'm not going to play your constant game of moving the goalposts.
 
We would not be here, not even have these challenges between the courts and various states, had this issue of transgenders not been made such a mess of by progressives.

DSM-5 changes, fine.
NCAA and IOC changes to deal with and govern impact of transgenders, fine.

The moment we crossed into transgender assistance without parental notice, crossed into transgender men to women dominating in those sports, crossed into hundreds of gender identities most of which make no sense whatsoever, crossed into advocating for those who have hardly crossed into the double digits in age to suddenly have the wisdom to thus should be able to make life altering decisions many irreversible, crossed into the areas of ensuring everyone who does not explicitly agree with progressives on these issues are branded as "bigots" and "transphobes," there was guaranteed response from the opposition.

And I am convinced the entire time not a single person from the far left or far right has the first care in the world about someone actually dealing with gender dysphoria.
 
Oh yeah, right. Don't like the message, make it about the messenger. Very impressive!

To an ant.
Nah, an ant wouldn't notice as it walked right over it - no substance, no threat, no nutritional value.
 
Would you permit a 58 year old white male RWE lawyer to remove your 12 year old child’s diseased appendix? No? Than why on earth would you permit the average Republican state legislator to overrule the judgment of a panel of pediatric specialists treating your child after diagnosing other disorders elevating in their opinion, suicide risk?
It's funny, I mean literally LOL funny, to see a purported "libertarian" arguing that it's okay for the gubmint to interject itself into the most intimate aspect of people's lives and ignore the fundamental bases of personal rights that are foundational to our Constitution. About as consistent as Alito, and as principled; about as "libertarian" as lebensraum.
 
We would not be here, not even have these challenges between the courts and various states, had this issue of transgenders not been made such a mess of by progressives.

DSM-5 changes, fine.
NCAA and IOC changes to deal with and govern impact of transgenders, fine.

The moment we crossed into transgender assistance without parental notice, crossed into transgender men to women dominating in those sports, crossed into hundreds of gender identities most of which make no sense whatsoever, crossed into advocating for those who have hardly crossed into the double digits in age to suddenly have the wisdom to thus should be able to make life altering decisions many irreversible, crossed into the areas of ensuring everyone who does not explicitly agree with progressives on these issues are branded as "bigots" and "transphobes," there was guaranteed response from the opposition.

And I am convinced the entire time not a single person from the far left or far right has the first care in the world about someone actually dealing with gender dysphoria.
In what world do you exist in? It's not this one.
 
It's funny, I mean literally LOL funny, to see a purported "libertarian" arguing that it's okay for the gubmint to interject itself into the most intimate aspect of people's lives and ignore the fundamental bases of personal rights that are foundational to our Constitution. About as consistent as Alito, and as principled; about as "libertarian" as lebensraum.
In order to maintain the wide disparity in quality of life berween red states and blue, Republican state governance only uses the federal government to transfer wealth from blue states taxpayers to their red states but never their governing policies that promote safety and health and less business friendly policies that are counterproductive to environment, income level, working conditions. They never ask why blue states are NOT passing the laws they fixate on, medical and voting, gun proliferation, prison expansion!
 
In what world do you exist in? It's not this one.
I decided to go full bitch mode today. $299.00 a minute.

We would not be here, not even have these challenges between the courts and various states, had this issue of transgenders not been made such a mess of by progressives.

DSM-5 changes, fine.
NCAA and IOC changes to deal with and govern impact of transgenders, fine.

The moment we crossed into transgender assistance without parental notice, crossed into transgender men to women dominating in those sports, crossed into hundreds of gender identities most of which make no sense whatsoever, crossed into advocating for those who have hardly crossed into the double digits in age to suddenly have the wisdom to thus should be able to make life altering decisions many irreversible, crossed into the areas of ensuring everyone who does not explicitly agree with progressives on these issues are branded as "bigots" and "transphobes," there was guaranteed response from the opposition.

And I am convinced the entire time not a single person from the far left or far right has the first care in the world about someone actually dealing with gender dysphoria.
You have a very interesting view of reality that is not shared by those with a working knowledge of the subject, or the ability to google your outrageous claims.
 
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