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IMO, the source of 'black' poverty is a lack of integration.
'Blacks' should be integrating with other 'races' FAR more then they do.
Stop grouping only with other 'blacks', move out of 'black ghetto's' and into better areas...even if it means sharing apartments to get by at first.
Befriend people of other 'races', work with them, socialize with them, marry them (if you love them), have children with them (if you wish)..blur the 'race' distinction so America becomes a true melting pot.
But huddling together along 'racial' lines does little more, IMO, then propagating negative 'racial' stereotypes that does no good for any decent American.
It's 2014...the days of 'race-based' communities should be long a thing of the past.
Historically and thru today, the two races that have done worse within the United States are the two races that never wanted to be part of the United States - African-Americans brought here as slaves and Native Americans who were slaughtered, defeated, and subjugated - both deposed of their land or taken from it.
The extreme bigotries, injustices, denial of equality, and both institutional and social abuse of both African-Americans and Native Americans is NOT ancient history of past generations now dead. That level of earned hatred does not simply vanish by declaring "we're all equal now" - when the oppressors start with 99% and the oppressed start with 1%.
There are Native Americans and African-Americans that TRULY HATE white people. While white people can say "Hey, it's all equal now" - that doesn't really work when the person claiming "all is equal" is who is who stole everything you had.
The commander of the Japanese POW camp that did such acts of torture, brutality and murder declared when the war was over "we call can be friends now." No, the prisoners threw him down a well to leave him there to slowly die of starvation in a black wet hole. Injustice isn't just erased with a declaration of "let's all be pals now."
Native American culture is far more unknown and diverse than African-American culture, and NA culture was never merged with white American culture. Nor were there genocides, sterilization campaigns, and mass relocations of African-Americans. There are Native Americans that, given the chance, would not hesitate to kill white people. Doesn't matter their age or the reason - other than they are white.
African-Americans do have reasons to be bitter and feel cheated - because they were and they are. Where I differ, though, is that hate serves no purpose. I have been in a few short arguments over "integrating into the dominate culture" with other NAs - short because I don't give a damn. DEFEATED people who are permanent defeated - as are peoples brought here as slaves and Native Americans - only have one non-self destructive alternative and that is to integrate into reality and the culture they really are in - which is the culture created by white America.
The good news is that MOST of white America is more than willing to allow such equal integration for those willing to do their half of it. Some will even give extra breaks to make it easy to do so. Hell, I'm a damn near superstar among white people. Everyone can PROVE they aren't a bigot merely by being able to say I'm one of their friends. In some regards, I can actually market it. :lol:
Lol, I've heard of people having Stockholm syndrome but this is something else completely.
I think that there is an enormous amout of hypocrisy and lack of insight that surrounds this issue. It comes down to a very simple question. Either you believe that Black people are inherently lazy and immoral or you believe that a cultures history in large part shapes how that culture evolves.
We don't hesitate to take credit for the contributions our forefathers made to how white culture has evolved yet we deny the influence on black history of black culture today. How does that make sense?
Neither do we hesitate to acknowledge how our own personal history has influenced the formation of our values etc. then some blame the lack of decent parenting for the behaviors they see within the culture while at the same time condemning the child produced from that "poor parenting".
Does history only matter if we like the results? Shouldn't the premise that history impacts a cultures evolution remain consistent?
We've all seen how black children act. I know I have. No discipline. Running around all crazy, yelling, hyperactive, can't focus on anything.
On the biology side, there are studies that show that blacks are behind the curve when it comes to IQ scores, and supposedly those have nothing to do with upbringing or learning - it's genetic. Jews are the smartest, followed by Asians, followed by Whites, followed by everyone else, and blacks are at the bottom.
That is the purest racist message to date since I've been on the forum.
Explain, or go ahead and derp derp yourself right out of the discussion. Throwing terms like that around without an ounce of justification. SMH.
What about redneck or hillbilly trailer folk? We can all notice certain factual traits but are looking for possible answers to what causes certain cultural conditions?
The lessons of history, confirmed by the evidence immediately before me, show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers.
Everybody blames "the man". Why is one group's "blaming the man" valid, while another's is not or seen as a "detrimental excuse"?
This forum is fill to the brim with people "blaming the man" for their lot in life.
Your message is covert support of ethnic and racial segregation. Rethink it.
The racial makeup of the village was 25.3% white, 69.5% black or African American, 0.1% American Indian or Alaska Native, 2.3% Asian, 0.8% some other race, and 1.9% two or more races. Hispanic or Latino residents of any race made up 2.5% of the population.[1]
For the period 2007-11, the estimated median annual income for a household in the village was $80,888, and the median income for a family was $88,839. Male full-time workers had a median income of $90,761 versus $58,750 for females.
Your message is per se racism in it purest form.
Call me a racist if you want
Thanks for the invite. Ok, hi racist, how you doing this evening? Hmm, no I'm not feeling that rush of moral superiority that animates all those people who love to throw the term racist around so cavalierly. Oh well, I had to give it a try, kind of like taking a first toke. Nope, nothing. Ok, you're not a racist, but it's reassuring to see that you're not frightened of being called one. Good for you for stating your opinion regardless of the threats against you.
I agree that a lot of it is genetic. Yes you will undoubtedly have idiot science deniers with an agenda call you racist for pointing out the scientific facts. But it still doesn't change the facts. As a group with a mean IQ of a mere 85, blacks are definitely at a disadvantage in the job market.On the biology side, there are studies that show that blacks are behind the curve when it comes to IQ scores, and supposedly those have nothing to do with upbringing or learning - it's genetic.
I am white and I recognize that criticizing the black community can be construed as racism. But I feel for the black community. When your young people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a rapper, ball player, or drug dealer" then what hope is there for your culture? I talk to teenage black boys who worship the likes of Young Jeezy, Future, and Lil Wayne and praise the idea of drinking codeine over ice or having lots of baby mommas. This is not "art imitates life" it is "art creates an imitation of life".
My concern for the black community takes a different form, I want them to have jobs. I believe it is devastating to black men to have such an astronomically high yearlong joblessness rate. This is why I'm so damn vocal about illegal immigration. This is a displacement that is happening. I understand that employers would rather hire a compliant Mexican illegal instead of a young black man but too goddamn bad, that young black man is a citizen and the Mexican illegal is not. With that job, a climb up the social mobility ladder becomes easier to achieve. A job is the first tool needed to start repairing the dysfunction in the black community.
They also have to want the job. Some don't. Some of the best workers I have had the privilege to work with have been black men. But work is being undervalued in many parts of the black community. What matters now is "hussle". The ability to make money quickly and easily.
This is where I think that culture really does play a big part. The value of a job is best transmitted from a respected older guy to a younger guy. The appeal of hustle can only last so long in young adulthood - it's a lot of flash and its more exciting that a job, but a job is reliable and a stepping stone. If there is a generational break then you don't have those slightly older guys (I'm not talking grandpa here, but maybe late 20s) showing the way for the teens.
Sometimes, with complex issues, people tend to "overthink" things when, often times, the simplest explanations are the most accurate.Culture of poverty option.
Laziness, lack of work ethic, unskilled status, and a lack of education are the sources of poverty. I don't give a damn what color you are.
Blacks just seem more prone to blame external forces, such as "the man".
What problems?
I don't have any problems. I'm retired and enjoying my life.
What about redneck or hillbilly trailer folk? We can all notice certain factual traits but are looking for possible answers to what causes certain cultural conditions?
That is the purest racist message to date since I've been on the forum.
It's not "construed as racism", it is racism. Your post is racist and you are a racist. You are treating attitudes shared by many young WHITE Americans as unique to young black Americans as a means of denigrating the latter and acting as if the latter is inferior to the former. How many young WHITE people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a reality star, pop star or greedy/amoral banker"? Most of them. How many teenage WHITE boys worship those same rappers you mentioned and praise the idea of smoking marijuana and using cocaine and having a hundred sex partners? Many of them.I am white and I recognize that criticizing the black community can be construed as racism. But I feel for the black community. When your young people are inundated with messages of "you have to be a famous, rich, and having lots of meaningless sex to be happy and the best way to achieve this is to be a rapper, ball player, or drug dealer" then what hope is there for your culture? I talk to teenage black boys who worship the likes of Young Jeezy, Future, and Lil Wayne and praise the idea of drinking codeine over ice or having lots of baby mommas. This is not "art imitates life" it is "art creates an imitation of life".
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