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the situation of the Christians in Nigeria

Rumpel said:
you seem to be well informed!

thank you for your posting!
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I have learned a lot about some African countries from our church members, many of whom are immigrants from Africa, particularly Nigeria and Liberia. Both of those countries have experienced very nasty internal wars.
 
Ganondagan said:
I have learned a lot about some African countries from our church members, many of whom are immigrants from Africa, particularly Nigeria and Liberia. Both of those countries have experienced very nasty internal wars.
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as i said, i followed the news about Nigeria since 1968
 
in 1966 Mulims in the North massacred the mainly Christian Ibos … who then fled to the South.

the a new country was creared there …. Biafra …

You remember?
 
christians in nigeria are under constant threat

unfortunately they in turn discriminate againt homosexuals
they should know better
 
Ginger Ale said:

I get that Islamic are ruling but, America Christians are the missionaries than encouraged this and support what they're doing here in America.

How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa​

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How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.
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They've worked together on this travesty of injustice.
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US evangelicals are terrible people
 
Nigeria is a large country consisting of many ethnic groups and religions. Often people talk about four different regions. One region is "Yorubaland", usually what the region dominated by the Yoruba people is called. The Yoruba are the second largest ethnicity in Nigeria. And even if the former capital of Lagos usually is considered separate from Yorubaland, it's dominated by the Yoruba people. The Yorubas used to completely dominate Nigeria, and the move of the capital to Abuja was a move to diminish Yoruba domination. The Yorubas are religiously split between Muslims, Christians and those still clinging to the traditional Yoruba religion. The Muslims are the largest group. Yoruba Muslims tend to be Sunni in the Maliki tradition. The Yoruba Christians tend to be Anglican.

The Igbos (Ibos) is one of the other major groups. And yes they were the ones attempting to break away in the Nigerian Civil War. Most Igbos are Christian (Anglican or Catholic), but some still practice the Odinala religion, and recently I found out there are some Igbo Jews.

Then we have the Middle Belt. It is known for not having a dominant ethnic group, but instead alot of the ethnic minority groups in Nigeria comes from the Middle Belt. The Middle Belt is where the current capital of Abuja is located. Religiously the Middle Belt is also very mixed, you find Christians, Muslims and different indigenous religions here.

And finally there is the north, or "Hausaland". This is very dominated by Islam, this is where you find States with sharia in their constitution. While the Hausa are of course not the only ethnic group in the North, they are dominant and they are the largest ethnic group in Nigeria. This is also where Boko Haram operates from. Most Muslims here are Sunni, and part of the Maliki school. Most of them belongs to Sufi brotherhoods such as the Qadiriyya or Tijaniyyah. But in Sokoto state there is also a significant number of Shia Muslims. There are also some Ahmadis around.
 
samiam5211 said:
No, it's tribal. It is rural/urban to some extent.

Muslims in Lagos are not persecuting Christians. It is regional conflict.
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Sorry, @Rumpel is correct the problems are both tribal and religious. Your example of Lagos does not take into account that the Yoruba kind of dominate the population around Lagos and they are either christian or muslim by equal proportion. A muslim Yorubaman is unlikely to harass a Christian millionaire Yourbaman.
However, that same Christian millionaire will have more problems if they move to Sokoto or Kano in the north. Not enough to make them move, because corruption is endemic in Nigerian society and having lived there, I'd argue it goes from the lowest person living hand to mouth in absolute poverty right up to the President.

Corruption is the biggest problem in Nigeria: not tribalism and not religion.
Historically, when Nigeria became independent, the nations wealth was largely generated by peanut farmers in the North and these were largely muslim. When oil was discovered, there was a feeling in the north that they had shared wealth with everyone else and now it was their turn. The Hausa realised their path to power was through control of politics and the military to enforce that control and you'll still find most Nigerian military leaders are Hausa or at least muslim.
A lot of the oil barons have Northern roots and you'll find the indigenous people who live where the oil is extracted have very little benefit.

Ginger Ale said:

I get that Islamic are ruling but, America Christians are the missionaries than encouraged this and support what they're doing here in America.

How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa​

foreignpolicy.com

How U.S. Evangelicals Helped Homophobia Flourish in Africa

Anti-gay sentiment had previously existed on the continent, but white American religious groups have given it a boost.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

They've worked together on this travesty of injustice.
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Yeah; I met, travelled with and spent time with the missionaries based in Jos. I posted about this many years ago - if you wanted to see one community that had power boats / privileged life - it was the missionaries of the Sudan mission. They tend to be Lutheran of Norwegian heritage.

Project MUSE - The Sudan Mission, Midwife to Two African Churches

muse.jhu.edu muse.jhu.edu

They lived a damn good life - very different from the Irish Catholic missionaries I met.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, @Rumpel is correct the problems are both tribal and religious. Your example of Lagos does not take into account that the Yoruba kind of dominate the population around Lagos and they are either christian or muslim by equal proportion. A muslim Yorubaman is unlikely to harass a Christian millionaire Yourbaman.
However, that same Christian millionaire will have more problems if they move to Sokoto or Kano in the north. Not enough to make them move, because corruption is endemic in Nigerian society and having lived there, I'd argue it goes from the lowest person living hand to mouth in absolute poverty right up to the President.

Corruption is the biggest problem in Nigeria: not tribalism and not religion.
Historically, when Nigeria became independent, the nations wealth was largely generated by peanut farmers in the North and these were largely muslim. When oil was discovered, there was a feeling in the north that they had shared wealth with everyone else and now it was their turn. The Hausa realised their path to power was through control of politics and the military to enforce that control and you'll still find most Nigerian military leaders are Hausa or at least muslim.
A lot of the oil barons have Northern roots and you'll find the indigenous people who live where the oil is extracted have very little benefit.



Yeah; I met, travelled with and spent time with the missionaries based in Jos. I posted about this many years ago - if you wanted to see one community that had power boats / privileged life - it was the missionaries of the Sudan mission. They tend to be Lutheran of Norwegian heritage.

Project MUSE - The Sudan Mission, Midwife to Two African Churches

muse.jhu.edu muse.jhu.edu

They lived a damn good life - very different from the Irish Catholic missionaries I met.
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Religion has nothing to do with it.

It is all about resources.

The solution isn't religious. If everyone in Nigeria had the same religion, the conflicts would still exist.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, @Rumpel is correct the problems are both tribal and religious.
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It is both tribal and religious. But tribe does trump religion.

The coups of 1966 does illustrate this some. The first coup was an Ibo [south eastern Christians] led coup, and it was the Hausa [northern muslims] leaders who were targeted by the Ibo coup leaders. The Hausas felt this was a hit job on them and geared up for a counter coup. This came subsequently. Even though it was a northern Hausa, in the main moslem coup, Gowon, an Anglican became President. Even though he was Christian, it was fine by the Hausas.

Frederick Forsyth has a good book on that and the civil war
 
Juin said:
The Hausas felt this was a hit job on them and geared up for a counter coup. This came subsequently. Even though it was a northern Hausa, in the main moslem coup, Gowon, an Anglican became President. Even though he was Christian, it was fine by the Hausas.
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Yakubu Gowon is actually Angas, I lived among them as their main area covers Jos (Plateau State)

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Plateau State has supplied quite a few people involved at senior level in coup d'état - my colleague for 4 years was one of the Dimkas. He was always under surveillance even though he wasn't military or in politics. A close relative of his, Lieutenant Colonel Bukar Suwa Dimka was involved in the failed coup against Murtala Muhammed in 1976. Dimka was also involved in that first coup of 1966.

Bukar Suwa Dimka - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Hausas and Fulani are often behind a lot of the coups, or at least heavily involved.
 
samiam5211 said:
Religion has nothing to do with it.

It is all about resources.

The solution isn't religious. If everyone in Nigeria had the same religion, the conflicts would still exist.
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a pity you turn a blind eye to religious prosecution

it does not go away by de.nying it
 
Rumpel said:
a pity you turn a blind eye to religious prosecution

it does not go away by de.nying it
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I don't turn a blind eye to the persecution.

It isn't about religion.
 
Rumpel said:
not he alone
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Of course, but my point is that the Muslim President agrees that the Islamic extremist group Boko Haram is a problem.

Christians aren't being persecuted by the government in Nigeria.
 
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