The Second Amendment Doesn't Say What You Think It Does[W:52]

[blaxshep]

Re: The Second Amendment Doesn't Say What You Think It Does

I can get that from the newspapers. So what?

So gun possession is up and gun crimes are down. If things really worked the way you gun haters claimed the gun crimes should be up not down.

 

[Black Dog]

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I can't make it any clearer. Shootings are up.

I know you can't because you want to ignore the details to try and make your failed point. :lamo

If you want to pretend that the double digit increase is from accidents, I guess you can remain secure in your fact free zone.

And I see you continue to ignore suicide which again is the lions share of those deaths and not illegal. Not the guns fault the person took the easy way out.

Why is an accident called an accident? Here since you don't seem to understand the basic concept...

Accident:

: a sudden event (such as a crash) that is not planned or intended and that causes damage or injury

: an event that is not planned or intended : an event that occurs by chance - Accident - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

By your analogy or reasoning anything that causes death by accident should be grouped in as a murder yes?

 

[Threegoofs]

Shootings are not deaths.

And shootings are up.

I know it's a tough concept.

 

[Threegoofs]

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So gun possession is up and gun crimes are down. If things really worked the way you gun haters claimed the gun crimes should be up not down.

Crime is dropping every decade.

Maybe it's because of this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[blaxshep]

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Crime is dropping every decade.

Maybe it's because of this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

From your article:

Detailed data on gun ownership is scarce.

Measuring the level of gun ownership can be a vexing problem, with various recent national polls reporting rates between 35 percent and 52 percent.

The center’s 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone, involved interviews with about 2,000 people

No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.

 

[Black Dog]

Shootings are not deaths.

And shootings are up.

I know it's a tough concept.

Accidents are shootings that are not crimes. Accidents are just that. It is a civil matter for the most part.

So you have still shown nothing.

Nice try by not quoting me.

 

[Black Dog]

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Crime is dropping every decade.

Maybe it's because of this:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Or maybe it's because of this...

How Lead Caused America's Violent Crime Epidemic - Forbes

Go do some research before you go posting nonsense.

 

[Threegoofs]

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From your article:

Detailed data on gun ownership is scarce.

Measuring the level of gun ownership can be a vexing problem, with various recent national polls reporting rates between 35 percent and 52 percent.

The center’s 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone, involved interviews with about 2,000 people

No national survey tracks the number of guns within households.

So the best information is that it's declining.
But you don't like that information. So you dismiss it.

 

[haymarket]

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So gun possession is up and gun crimes are down. If things really worked the way you gun haters claimed the gun crimes should be up not down.

Now all you have to do is prove that crime is down because gun possession is up and that is the factor responsible for it.

 

[blackjack50]

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Now all you have to do is prove that crime is down because gun possession is up and that is the factor responsible for it.

Really all we need to do is show that gun possession being up doesn't cause crime to go up. That is all that is needed to buck the gun control argument.

 

[haymarket]

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Really all we need to do is show that gun possession being up doesn't cause crime to go up. That is all that is needed to buck the gun control argument.

Feel free to present your data. I will be glad to examine it.

Feel free to present your argument connecting it to gun control. I will be glad to read it.

 

[blackjack50]

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Feel free to present your data. I will be glad to examine it.

Feel free to present your argument connecting it to gun control. I will be glad to read it.

You mean the data like above? Where concealed carry increased, and crime did not?

 

[haymarket]

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You mean the data like above? Where concealed carry increased, and crime did not?

So what do you think those two things prove when connected to each other?

 

[Crimefree]

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So what do you think those two things prove when connected to each other?

You were the one who now falsely claimed he was going to examine it. You tell use and back it up.

 

[Crimefree]

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Really all we need to do is show that gun possession being up doesn't cause crime to go up. That is all that is needed to buck the gun control argument.

WTF is the gun control argument? One gun control can prove? Once again have we not been through this before and you were soundly trashed. It's not a question.

 

[Crimefree]

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Now all you have to do is prove that crime is down because gun possession is up and that is the factor responsible for it.

Are you falsely suggesting you can prove the opposite?

 

[haymarket]

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You were the one who now falsely claimed he was going to examine it. You tell use and back it up.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Are you falsely suggesting you can prove the opposite?

I made no such claim.

 

[blackjack50]

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WTF is the gun control argument? One gun control can prove? Once again have we not been through this before and you were soundly trashed. It's not a question.

What the hell are you talking about? I don't recall any such discussion. Do you disagree that all we need to do to dismantle any argument for gun control is to show that when guns go up crime does not? Are you serious? You realize whatever argument you make will be an attempt to show that? In some general way.

 

[blackjack50]

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So what do you think those two things prove when connected to each other?

That guns going up does not mean crime does. Was that not obvious?

 

[Crimefree]

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I made no such claim.

Really no wonder your credibility is zero.

#336

 

[Crimefree]

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That guns going up does not mean crime does. Was that not obvious?

So how come gun control claims the opposite? Is that not obvious. Sometimes I wonder, most times I just shake my head in disbelief at what you will try.

 

[Crimefree]

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I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Sorry I cannot help your inability to comprehend or your willingness to claim you do not know as an expert on interpretation., not.
Do your best to interpret it since you are so good.

I made no such claim.

English 101 for haymarket.

You see the funny character at the end it is known as a question mark. It means a question was asked not that a claim was made. Have you got it now?

 

[Crimefree]

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So how come gun control claims the opposite? Is that not obvious. Sometimes I wonder, most times I just shake my head in disbelief at what you will try.

In a damn rush again was not meant to be personal but a comment on gun control's duplicity my apology.

They can claim such correlations but when firearm owners do they suddenly know all the problems that do not apply to their correlations.

 

[haymarket]

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That guns going up does not mean crime does. Was that not obvious?

And why is that important to the topic?

 

[haymarket]

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Really no wonder your credibility is zero.

#336

here is my #336

Feel free to present your data. I will be glad to examine it.

Feel free to present your argument connecting it to gun control. I will be glad to read it.

So what is it exactly you are confused about? I will be happy to examine the evidence proving that more guns are responsible for a decrease in some types of crime in some areas but none has been presented.