The scientific acceptance of the Deluge is the key to correct interpretation of earth history

[Noodlegawd]

So, YOU WERE THERE? You observed it? You can repeat it? You think I'm stupid?

And this from someone who knows everything ....

I didn't claim to know everything, just that there isn't a shred of evidence for your fairytale.

 

[LittleNipper]

You need to stop painting with such a broad brush. Mutations can be quite beneficial, especially when it results in survival and procreation. The Mountain ranges are primarily a result of tectonic plate movement, while the Grand Canyon and numerous other Canyons around the world have been created as a result of floods and constant water flow over many centuries. While I accept your Right to believe what you want, I draw the line when you attempt to present your beliefs as fact without any hard evidence at all.

The Grand Canyon and likely others are the result of the runoff of the trapped FLOOD water. There was a new Canyon formed by Mt. St. Helen, and it looks like a miniature of the Grand Canyon and demonstrates exactly what a single cataclysm is capable of accomplishing in short order.

Everything is created, some things by design and others simply because they can or must, like the elements of Nature.

GOD designed the elements, and established a complete and fully functional ecosystem for man to live in.

 

[Galactic Spin]

So, YOU WERE THERE? You observed it? You can repeat it? You think I'm stupid?

And this from someone who knows everything ....

You're not stupid. But you are just making stuff up that doesn't make any sense, in light of physical laws.

 

[Individual]

The Grand Canyon and likely others are the result of the runoff of the trapped FLOOD water. There was a new Canyon formed by Mt. St. Helen, and it looks like a miniature of the Grand Canyon and demonstrates exactly what a single cataclysm is capable of accomplishing in short order.

Yes, over millions of years.

GOD designed the elements, and established a complete and fully functional ecosystem for man to live in.

And you know this because?

 

[LittleNipper]

Yes, over millions of years.



And you know this because?

Genesis 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.​

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

[LittleNipper]

Yes, over millions of years.

Canyons Form Quickly, Recent Gusher Suggests

Lake Canyon Gorge was carved by a flood in three days.

www.livescience.com

 

[Galactic Spin]

Canyons Form Quickly, Recent Gusher Suggests

Lake Canyon Gorge was carved by a flood in three days.

www.livescience.com

From your own link:

"Gorges are typically formed along pre-existing river channels. The Grand Canyon was formed as the Colorado River slowly wore down the bedrock. That probably took millions of years though, said geologist and study co-author Michael Lamb of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif"

 

[LittleNipper]

From your own link:

"Gorges are typically formed along pre-existing river channels. The Grand Canyon was formed as the Colorado River slowly wore down the bedrock. That probably took millions of years though, said geologist and study co-author Michael Lamb of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif"

ls. The Grand Canyon was formed as the Colorado River slowly wore down the bedrock. That probably took millions of years though, said geologist and study co-author Michael Lamb of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif"

Lake Canyon Gorge, a 23-feet- (7-meter-) deep canyon in Comal County, Texas, was carved in just three days by a flood in 2002. The flood scoured a swath of greenery, leaving sand-colored bedrock rubble in its wake. You have to be open to the likelihood that a quick draining of water through the area where the Grand Canyon is presently could certainly have created it. It must also be considered that when a river wanders through and carves a valley over what you suppose are millions of years the sides would gently slope on both sides down to the riverbed. A quick catastrophic event would create the near vertical steep sides we find in the Grand Canyon. Also, it is far more likely that this was done recently and not millions of years ago, because then erosion during that length of time would again slope the sides ------ more like the Allegheny Mountains. The Grand Canyon is young and the result of a catastrophic event.

 

[Galactic Spin]

Lake Canyon Gorge, a 23-feet- (7-meter-) deep canyon in Comal County, Texas, was carved in just three days by a flood in 2002. The flood scoured a swath of greenery, leaving sand-colored bedrock rubble in its wake. You have to be open to the likelihood that a quick draining of water through the area where the Grand Canyon is presently could certainly have created it. It must also be considered that when a river wanders through and carves a valley over what you suppose are millions of years the sides would gently slope on both sides down to the riverbed. A quick catastrophic event would create the near vertical steep sides we find in the Grand Canyon. Also, it is far more likely that this was done recently and not millions of years ago, because then erosion during that length of time would again slope the sides ------ more like the Allegheny Mountains. The Grand Canyon is young and the result of a catastrophic event.

Right. And the article touches on why that one was fast, but cutting through 10s of meters of bedrock is not.

You should read it. Ya know, since you posted it.

 

[rickc]

Think about this.

The oldest known rock in Grand Canyon, known as the Elves Chasm Gneiss, is located deep in the canyon's depths as part of the Vishnu Basement Rocks and clocks in at an ancient 1.84 billion years old.May 12, 2021

Take comfort in knowing that gneiss can withstand heavy use; it is made up of minerals in the 6-7 range on Mohs scale, meaning it's harder than glass and about the same hardness as steel.Nov 3, 2017

 

[Rich2018]

Think about this.

The oldest known rock in Grand Canyon, known as the Elves Chasm Gneiss, is located deep in the canyon's depths as part of the Vishnu Basement Rocks and clocks in at an ancient 1.84 billion years old.May 12, 2021

Take comfort in knowing that gneiss can withstand heavy use; it is made up of minerals in the 6-7 range on Mohs scale, meaning it's harder than glass and about the same hardness as steel.Nov 3, 2017

OK, what's your point ?

 

[Questerr]

The Grand Canyon and likely others are the result of the runoff of the trapped FLOOD water. There was a new Canyon formed by Mt. St. Helen, and it looks like a miniature of the Grand Canyon and demonstrates exactly what a single cataclysm is capable of accomplishing in short order.

GOD designed the elements, and established a complete and fully functional ecosystem for man to live in.

Third time asking:

How do you solve the heat problem caused by compressing all geological activity that formed modern continents and geographic features into a single year?

 

[Questerr]

Lake Canyon Gorge, a 23-feet- (7-meter-) deep canyon in Comal County, Texas, was carved in just three days by a flood in 2002. The flood scoured a swath of greenery, leaving sand-colored bedrock rubble in its wake. You have to be open to the likelihood that a quick draining of water through the area where the Grand Canyon is presently could certainly have created it. It must also be considered that when a river wanders through and carves a valley over what you suppose are millions of years the sides would gently slope on both sides down to the riverbed. A quick catastrophic event would create the near vertical steep sides we find in the Grand Canyon. Also, it is far more likely that this was done recently and not millions of years ago, because then erosion during that length of time would again slope the sides ------ more like the Allegheny Mountains. The Grand Canyon is young and the result of a catastrophic event.

Lake Canyon Gorge is made of a different kind of rock than the Grand Canyon and is less than 1% the size.

 

[LittleNipper]

Right. And the article touches on why that one was fast, but cutting through 10s of meters of bedrock is not.

You should read it. Ya know, since you posted it.

What kind of Rock is Found in the Grand Canyon? Sedimentary rocks form the middle and top layers of Grand Canyon. Layers of sediment hardened into sedimentary rocks over time. Most of the canyon's igneous and metamorphic rocks make up the bottom layers of Grand Canyon, near the Colorado River. Igneous rocks may have formed when liquid magma cooled. So, the middle and upper layers were likely deposited in successive layers, by wave after wave of mega tsunamis during the FLOOD. And these successive layers were what were carved out during the FLOOD runoff forming the canyon.

 

[Galactic Spin]

What kind of Rock is Found in the Grand Canyon? Sedimentary rocks form the middle and top layers of Grand Canyon. Layers of sediment hardened into sedimentary rocks over time. Most of the canyon's igneous and metamorphic rocks make up the bottom layers of Grand Canyon, near the Colorado River. Igneous rocks may have formed when liquid magma cooled. So, the middle and upper layers were likely deposited in successive layers, by wave after wave of mega tsunamis during the FLOOD. And these successive layers were what were carved out during the FLOOD runoff forming the canyon.

So, you pretend to have evidence that the grand canyon was made in a short period of time.


Your claim is exposed as false, so you retreat to your Alamo of insisting the scientists are all incompetent and/or liars.

You know, the same scientists you just tried to cite as supporting your claims, before they were undermined.

This is intellectual fraud on parade, in broad daylight.

 

[LittleNipper]

Assumptions, cannot be considered true science: https://answersingenesis.org/geolog...ometric-dating-problems-with-the-assumptions/

 

[LittleNipper]

So, you pretend to have evidence that the grand canyon was made in a short period of time.

So, you pretend to have absolute evidence that the Grand Canyon was made in a long period of time.

Your claim is exposed as false, so you retreat to your Alamo of insisting the scientists are all incompetent and/or liars.

You want my claim to be false, so you retreat to your Hogwart's Castle of insisting that only secular thought can be regarded as science, and everything Christians believe is a lie and preposterous.

You know, the same scientests you just tried to cite as supporting your claims, before they were undermined.

You do not consider the fact that what I presented is demonstrating a conflict. What we know has happen in recent years is revealing a contradiction to what is being recited over and over (by uniformitarian evolutionists) regarding an unobserved past.

This is intellectual fraud on parade, in broad daylight.

The intellectual fraud on parade, is one that has spewed out all sorts of roadblocks and ridicule, in every effort to promote ONLY secular atheistic thought, and silence any regard for a CREATOR.

 

[Galactic Spin]

So, you pretend to have absolute evidence that the Grand Canyon was made in a long period of time.

Nope. Just the overwhelming preponderance of evidence. I.E., all of it.

You say this isn't enough to convince you, though.

Fine, good for you. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.

Your entire schtik is just "magic!". Nobody can account for magic, or argue against magic, or provide evidence for or against magic.

You basically disqualify yourself from discussions involving evidence. You don't get to play until you are losing, then play the God card and declare victory.

 

[LittleNipper]

Nope. Just the overwhelming preponderance of evidence. I.E., all of it.

You say this isn't enough to convince you, though.

Fine, good for you. I am not going to try to convince you otherwise.

Your entire schtik is just "magic!". Nobody can account for magic, or argue against magic, or provide evidence for or against magic.

You basically disqualify yourself from discussions involving evidence. You don't get to play until you are losing, then play the God card and declare victory.

YES, to you GOD is all about magic, not worthy of any consideration or research. It is ALL stupidity, all ignorance. Just go away and take the CREATOR and hide. You claim sole ownership of any evidence, of any interpretation of the data. I've already demonstrated that to be questionable. Now, all that is needed is for honest people to read something beside what was printed for public school students to memorize.

 

[Individual]

Canyons Form Quickly, Recent Gusher Suggests

Lake Canyon Gorge was carved by a flood in three days.

www.livescience.com

Kind of like sand blasting. We recently had a 40+ meter deep well drilled using water to clear the hole of debris. Water under pressure is quite powerful, but from the article you provided a link to:

"Gorges are typically formed along pre-existing river channels. The Grand Canyon was formed as the Colorado River slowly wore down the bedrock. That probably took millions of years though, said geologist and study co-author Michael Lamb of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif."

When you set out in search of support for your beliefs, you're sure to find what you're looking for if you through out everything that contradicts them.

 

[Individual]

Genesis 1:1-2​

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.​

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

That's it, the bible told you?

 

[LittleNipper]

Kind of like sand blasting. We recently had a 40+ meter deep well drilled using water to clear the hole of debris. Water under pressure is quite powerful, but from the article you provided a link to:

"Gorges are typically formed along pre-existing river channels. The Grand Canyon was formed as the Colorado River slowly wore down the bedrock. That probably took millions of years though, said geologist and study co-author Michael Lamb of Caltech in Pasadena, Calif."

When you set out in search of support for your beliefs, you're sure to find what you're looking for if you through out everything that contradicts them.

Typically means: None of which means ALWAYS!

• commonly
• frequently
• generally
• mostly
• naturally
• normally

Probably means: presumably, most likely. in the sense of maybe.

Yes, I actually believe the writer of this article had to say what was said in the way he said it, or the article would have not been printed. The uniformitarian evolutionists have the upper hand ---- but sometimes when one honestly reads between the line, it becomes apparent that there are definitely other possibilities.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's it, the bible told you?

So, what told you?

 

[LittleNipper]

I didn't claim to know everything, just that there isn't a shred of evidence for your fairytale.

You would know everything in order to say that there isn't a shred of evidence. If you don't know everything, there is the likelihood you missed something --- or at the very least YOU ARE IGNORING somethings.

 

[Noodlegawd]

You would know everything in order to say that there isn't a shred of evidence. If you don't know everything, there is the likelihood you missed something --- or at the very least YOU ARE IGNORING somethings.

If there were evidence, you would have provided it by now. Or some famous apologist would have done so in one of their many fabulous speeches. That has not happened.