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The science says

Fledermaus said:
I never asked for exact numbers.

I asked for ballpark figures.

As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported.

How many died because of the vaccine?
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It is well known that covid deaths were OVER reported, and everyone who went into the hospital for any reason was counted as a covid patient if they had a positive covid PCR test.

Vaccine related damage and death has been mostly ignored by the authorities. They will claim it's all covid related, nothing to do with the vaccines.

Watch this video if you care about science:

 
Good4Nothin said:
It is well known that covid deaths were OVER reported, and everyone who went into the hospital for any reason was counted as a covid patient if they had a positive covid PCR test.

Vaccine related damage and death has been mostly ignored by the authorities. They will claim it's all covid related, nothing to do with the vaccines.

Watch this video if you care about science:

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It is known COVID deaths in the US were under reported up to 36%

And how may died from vaccines? Ballpark figure.
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is well known that covid deaths were OVER reported, and everyone who went into the hospital for any reason was counted as a covid patient if they had a positive covid PCR test.

Vaccine related damage and death has been mostly ignored by the authorities. They will claim it's all covid related, nothing to do with the vaccines.

Watch this video if you care about science:

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They don't even want to listen to anything that ruins their world view.
 
Fledermaus said:
I never asked for exact numbers.

I asked for ballpark figures.

As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported.

How many died because of the vaccine?
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According to one expert, hundreds of athletes in their prime dropped dead from the vaccine:


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John Stockton claims to have list of hundreds of vaccinated athletes who have dropped dead on the field

Brooklyn Nets point guard Kyrie Irving and Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers are two of the most notable people in the world that have yet to receive the COVID-19 vaccine. Both stars have…
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BitterPill said:
According to one expert, hundreds of athletes in their prime dropped dead from the vaccine:


hoopshype.com

John Stockton claims to have list of hundreds of vaccinated athletes who have dropped dead on the field

Brooklyn Nets point guard Kyrie Irving and Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers are two of the most notable people in the world that have yet to receive the COVID-19 vaccine. Both stars have…
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CLAIMS to have a list.....

:ROFLMAO:

And John Stockton is an expert?

John Houston Stockton is an American former professional basketball player. Regarded as one of the greatest point guards, players and passers of all time,
 
Good4Nothin said:
It is well known that covid deaths were OVER reported, and everyone who went into the hospital for any reason was counted as a covid patient if they had a positive covid PCR test.

Vaccine related damage and death has been mostly ignored by the authorities. They will claim it's all covid related, nothing to do with the vaccines.

Watch this video if you care about science:

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Umm..if they were positive for covid test.rest..
Why would they not be treated as a covid patient?
 
jaeger19 said:
Umm..if they were positive for covid test.rest..
Why would they not be treated as a covid patient?
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Because they might have gone to the hospital for some OTHER reason, like a head injury, or whatever. This greatly inflated the covid death counts.
 
Fledermaus said:
CLAIMS to have a list.....

:ROFLMAO:

And John Stockton is an expert?

John Houston Stockton is an American former professional basketball player. Regarded as one of the greatest point guards, players and passers of all time,
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When we cite the opinions of medical experts, you way their opinion means nothing because it differs with the official consensus. So there is really no one and no amount of evidence that would ever convince you the official consensus might be propaganda.
 
Good4Nothin said:
When we cite the opinions of medical experts, you way their opinion means nothing because it differs with the official consensus. So there is really no one and no amount of evidence that would ever convince you the official consensus might be propaganda.
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As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported by up to 36%.

How many died because of the vaccine?
 
Fledermaus said:
As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported by up to 36%.

How many died because of the vaccine?
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We don't know how many died from the vaccine. And we don't know how many deaths were prevented by the vaccine.
 
Good4Nothin said:
We don't know how many died from the vaccine. And we don't know how many deaths were prevented by the vaccine.
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I asked for ballpark figures.

As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported.

How many died because of the vaccine?
 
Fledermaus said:
I asked for ballpark figures.

As for COVID, the losses in India alone may top 6 million. The US is well over a million and we are under-reported.

How many died because of the vaccine?
Click to expand...

If you think it's possible to count that, go out and count.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Because they might have gone to the hospital for some OTHER reason, like a head injury, or whatever. This greatly inflated the covid death counts.
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No it doesn't.
The death certificates that the medical providers fill out list the diagnosis that is tge primary cause of death and any contributors.
If covid did not contribute to a death..it would not be listed. And thus not reported to the CDC. No.. it did not "inflate covid death counts".

Where this misnomer comes from is that when the person with the head injury and covid dies... the local health department which tracks the disposition of covid cases for disease tracking, list them in the "died" column.
Which indicates that they do not need to be further tracked because they are dead.
the other two categories are active and recovered.

this has to do with tracking the disease in who and where it infects people. NOT in "covid deaths."

By the way.. if you are going to claiim that hospitals get paid more for covid deaths. Thats completely wrong, since hospitals do not get paid based on what you die from. In fact, theh don;t get paid for death at all.
They get paid based on admittance diagnosis/diagnostic groups.

Sorry but you are completely and utterly wrong.... again.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Why don't you tell me how many deaths the covid vaccines prevented?
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In the US from 2020 to may 2021 about 140,000 lives:
"Researchers collected data on state vaccination rates and COVID-19 deaths. They used the data to create a statistical model.

Based on the model, COVID-19 vaccines saved nearly 140,000 lives in the U.S. through May 2021. About 570,000 people died of COVID-19 in the U.S. through that time. The model estimated that there would have been about 709,000 deaths without the vaccines."

World wide? From december 2020 to december 2021 about 20 million lives.
"The study modeled the spread of the disease in 185 territories and countries and found that without Covid vaccines, 31.4 million people would have died of the disease between December 2020 and 2021. While the pandemic has taken a devastating toll around the globe, with more than 3.5 million deaths since the first vaccine was administered in December 2020, the study estimated that vaccinations also prevented 19.8 million deaths."
https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/23/covid19-vaccines-prevention-global-deaths/

You are welcome.
 
jaeger19 said:
In the US from 2020 to may 2021 about 140,000 lives:
"Researchers collected data on state vaccination rates and COVID-19 deaths. They used the data to create a statistical model.

Based on the model, COVID-19 vaccines saved nearly 140,000 lives in the U.S. through May 2021. About 570,000 people died of COVID-19 in the U.S. through that time. The model estimated that there would have been about 709,000 deaths without the vaccines."

World wide? From december 2020 to december 2021 about 20 million lives.
"The study modeled the spread of the disease in 185 territories and countries and found that without Covid vaccines, 31.4 million people would have died of the disease between December 2020 and 2021. While the pandemic has taken a devastating toll around the globe, with more than 3.5 million deaths since the first vaccine was administered in December 2020, the study estimated that vaccinations also prevented 19.8 million deaths."
https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/23/covid19-vaccines-prevention-global-deaths/

You are welcome.
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Oh yes, models. Estimated. You can put any numbers you want into a model, to promote whatever agenda.
 
Good4Nothin said:
Oh yes, models. Estimated. You can put any numbers you want into a model, to promote whatever agenda.
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Um..no you cannot. Not in a peer reviewed journal.
See.. this is another example of your thinking all science is a vast conspiracy.

Tell you what. How about you provide the information that shows that they "put in any numbers they liked:.
 
Paradoxical said:
They find Cobvod under couches and everywhere. It's a cash cow.
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Umm.. no its not.
Why do you think its a "cash cow".??

Do you even know how medical billing works?
 
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