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The rising sea level myth[W:565]

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jmotivator said:
To put that is focus, the majority of the stations register between 0 and 6mm/year increase, which would equate to (even while discounting all of the sea level decreases) an ocean level rise in the next 100 years of... 1 foot.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
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Check the link I gave earlier, the one that Sawyer's computer screened out due to that anti scientific site app he has. You'll see that sea level rise has not been uniform.



jmotivator said:
Meanwhile, Al Gore bought a multi-million dollar house on the beach in Malibu with the money he swindled off of all the suckers.
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The above is what passes for evidence among the true believers of the Church of Perpetual Denial.

Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist. Swindling money off of suckers is what politicians do best.
 
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longview said:
True, but it does not improve the 3cm significant figure of their accuracy any.
In addition local sea level is what matters to the locals.
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and local weather is what matters to the locals.
Which is why we hear so many "It's cold here, so global warming is a myth" sorts of arguments.
 
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csbrown28 said:
Ummm...wait, did I just get a "like" from a TX Conservative? :blink:
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I am not sure I count, as I am a fiscal conservative.
Your comments appear to advocate proper scientific methods.
and I agree with using science to support your position .
 
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yobarnacle said:
Climate has ALWAYS been changing. Still is.
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No reasonable person one denies this....

yobarnacle said:
It's the manmade CO2 causing it is malarkey.

And in a few years, people will laugh that folks today were silly enough to think it did.

And there IS NO science supporting CO2 drives climate.

Merely conjecture, and the emotional feeling that "all that CO2 has to be bad!"
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Actually there is a lot of evidence, I'd post it, but my guess is that you'd probably just move goal posts or question what constitutes evidence.

yobarnacle said:
Nope. There isn't any law of physics that says CO2 is bad.
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Again more strawmaning. no one says that CO2 is bad. That is a subjective observation, just that to much CO2 relative to several other factors (see my last post) causes the earth to retain more of the suns solar energy.

yobarnacle said:
Biology says it's GOOD!
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Again, this is the silly plants-use-it-as-food-so-it-must-be-good argument.

You need water. 2-3 days without water and the average person will die. You are at least 70-80% water So water must be good! It's a fact. Now, do us a favor, swim to the bottom of a pool and stay there for 10min, then give me your opinion about water.

*disclamer, I don't really want you to stay under water for 10 minutes
 
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Dittohead not! said:
and local weather is what matters to the locals.
Which is why we hear so many "It's cold here, so global warming is a myth" sorts of arguments.
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No, weather is quite a bit different than sea level.
Weather can be very subjective, I am older and fatter than I used to be, therefore it seems hotter.
I know from weather archive sites, it's about the same.
Sea level is different, that bulkhead that was out of the water at normal high tide, is no longer visible
at normal high tide.
Besides for climate change, the likely result would be warmer nights ,
thus raising the average daily temp.
 
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csbrown28 said:
Again, this is the silly plants-use-it-as-food-so-it-must-be-good argument.

You need water. 2-3 days without water and the average person will die. You are at least 70-80% water So water must be good! It's a fact. Now, do us a favor, swim to the bottom of a pool and stay there for 10min, then give me your opinion about water.

*disclamer, I don't really want you to stay under water for 10 minutes
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Too much water will kill you. Too much Co2 will kill you. Too much Oxygen will kill you. Too much of anything will kill you. And none of that has any bearing on whether anthropogenic global warming is fact or fiction. Especially with Co2 being the theoretical driver, we really need to get a grip on reality.

Out of the entire atmospheric makeup, only one to two percent is made up of greenhouse gases with the majority being nitrogen (about 78 percent) and oxygen (about 21 percent). Of that two percent, “planet-killing” carbon dioxide comprises only 3.62 percent while water vapor encompasses 95 percent. And of the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, humans cause only 3.4 percent of annual CO2 emissions. (article from the foundry)
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Summarized: Only 1 or 2 percent of the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas and of that 2 percent, only 3.62 percent is carbon dioxide. And of that carbon dioxide, only 3.4 percent is emissions caused by man. Tell you what. Add an extra insulation efficiency to your house of 3.4 percent of 3.62 percent of 2 percent and see how much your heating bill goes down in the winter. A couple of years might net you a penny.

And damned if the consensus isn't that there hasn't BEEN any warming for 15 years. Let's not go nuts over this stuff. You can't lose your mind worrying about the Earth being destroyed by rapidly rising temperatures and sea levels when the last 15 years of reality disagrees completely with the last 15 years of bad science and their flawed computer models.
 
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Papa bull said:
Too much water will kill you. Too much Co2 will kill you. Too much Oxygen will kill you. Too much of anything will kill you. And none of that has any bearing on whether anthropogenic global warming is fact or fiction. Especially with Co2 being the theoretical driver, we really need to get a grip on reality.



Summarized: Only 1 or 2 percent of the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas and of that 2 percent, only 3.62 percent is carbon dioxide. And of that carbon dioxide, only 3.4 percent is emissions caused by man. Tell you what. Add an extra insulation efficiency to your house of 3.4 percent of 3.62 percent of 2 percent and see how much your heating bill goes down in the winter. A couple of years might net you a penny.

And damned if the consensus isn't that there hasn't BEEN any warming for 15 years. Let's not go nuts over this stuff. You can't lose your mind worrying about the Earth being destroyed by rapidly rising temperatures and sea levels when the last 15 years of reality disagrees completely with the last 15 years of bad science and their flawed computer models.
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You would have a good point if the last 15 years of "bad science and their flawed computer models" actually showed that the Earth is "being destroyed by rapidly rising temperatures and sea levels."

That is not what science is saying at all. It might be what some environmental and political groups want you to believe, but it is not what the scientific consensus is all about.

Oh, and if "bad science and flawed computer models" were actually a description of reality, rather than a phrase that means "scientific observation that counters my deeply held beliefs", then it would be an even better point.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
and local weather is what matters to the locals.
Which is why we hear so many "It's cold here, so global warming is a myth" sorts of arguments.
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Like this one?

sawyerloggingon said:
And this would be why they stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change, too many embarrassing events like this. :lol:

Reuters) - An Arctic air mass sent temperatures plunging across California, forcing the 17-hour closure of a key interstate highway through the mountains north of Los Angeles and threatening citrus crops in the state's vast central valleys, authorities said on Friday.Temperatures throughout the state fell by as much as 20 degrees Fahrenheit (11 degrees Celsius) below normal, allowing snow to accumulate at elevations as low as 1,500 feet, the National Weather Service reported.

California cold snap threatens citrus crop, strands motorists | Reuters
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Dittohead not! said:
You would have a good point if the last 15 years of "bad science and their flawed computer models" actually showed that the Earth is "being destroyed by rapidly rising temperatures and sea levels."

That is not what science is saying at all. It might be what some environmental and political groups want you to believe, but it is not what the scientific consensus is all about.

Oh, and if "bad science and flawed computer models" were actually a description of reality, rather than a phrase that means "scientific observation that counters my deeply held beliefs", then it would be an even better point.
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True. The real scientific consensus is that the Earth hasn't warmed in 15 years and that they still don't know whether it will get warmer or cooler or whether man actually has anything to do with it one way or another.
 
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Papa bull said:
True. The real scientific consensus is that the Earth hasn't warmed in 15 years and that they still don't know whether it will get warmer or cooler or whether man actually has anything to do with it one way or another.
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I suspect it might even get cooler who knows. Ten years down the line there will be a new theory waiting in the wings if it does. Any guesses who will still get the blame for it should that happen ? :(
 
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flogger said:
I suspect it might even get cooler who knows. Ten years down the line there will be a new theory waiting in the wings if it does. Any guesses who will still get the blame for it should that happen ? :(
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Any guesses as to who will still try to figure out an angle to capitalize on it for political gain, too? ;)
 
The rising sea level myth

Papa bull said:
True. The real scientific consensus is that the Earth hasn't warmed in 15 years and that they still don't know whether it will get warmer or cooler or whether man actually has anything to do with it one way or another.
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(Citation needed)
 
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Papa bull said:
True. The real scientific consensus is that the Earth hasn't warmed in 15 years and that they still don't know whether it will get warmer or cooler or whether man actually has anything to do with it one way or another.
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The "earth stopped warming 15 years ago" myth is certainly a persistent one, isn't it?

Globe Continues Hottest Decade Ever

Persistent, but easily debunked.
 
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Papa bull said:
Too much water will kill you. Too much Co2 will kill you. Too much Oxygen will kill you. Too much of anything will kill you. And none of that has any bearing on whether anthropogenic global warming is fact or fiction. Especially with Co2 being the theoretical driver, we really need to get a grip on reality.
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Did you read the post I was replying too? If you did you'd know what your response wasn't relevant in the context of the conversation we were having.

But, to your point, the only thing that has any bearing is;

Is man made greenhouse gases affecting the climate?

The preponderance of evidence says yes

If so is it significant?

Numbers are irrelevant, what matters is the real world effects. Judging those effects is subjective and really matters how you judge what is significant. I think there is potential for significant change,but I'll continue to look to qualified people to continue to do real work and draw conclusions based on that work.

If it's significant in the sense that it would cause hardship over a significant portion of the planet....

Personally I think it's possible, but I'm willing to wait for the studies and the data.

Is there anything that can be done?

I don't know.

If yes is it economically feasible?

I don't know.

Papa bull said:
Summarized: Only 1 or 2 percent of the atmosphere is a greenhouse gas and of that 2 percent, only 3.62 percent is carbon dioxide. And of that carbon dioxide, only 3.4 percent is emissions caused by man.
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Lest I be accused of misrepresenting your position, I'd ask you to clarify with a question. Is it your contention that because CO2 makes up such a small portion of the atmosphere it's effects should be proportionally small (please say yes).

Papa bull said:
And damned if the consensus isn't that there hasn't BEEN any warming for 15 years.
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Consensus is irrelevant, Data is what matters....

Solar_vs_temp_500.webp

Those tempted to blame the big ball of hot gas next door need to explain this:

Solar_vs_Temp_basic.webp

Anyone tempted to question the measurements should understand that our understanding of the sun it taken from multiple sources:

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Papa bull said:
Let's not go nuts over this stuff.
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Agreed, there are nuts on both sides of this debate.

Papa bull said:
You can't lose your mind worrying about the Earth being destroyed by rapidly rising temperatures and sea levels.....
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Again, agreed...Most people have a lot more to worry about in the short term then how a 1C rise in global temps will effect them.

Papa bull said:
.... when the last 15 years of reality disagrees completely with the last 15 years of bad science and their flawed computer models.
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Generally, when looking at climate 15 years is not enough time to draw significant conclusions and is therefore irrelevant.

Have their been flawed models? Sure, are they all flawed? You haven't convinced anyone but yourself at this point. Evidence please?
 
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Here's another article from CBN News that might appeal to the anti scientific evidence crowd:

Many people are frustrated with today's cancer treatments. They are expensive, painful and often just don't work.

However, there is a new cancer treatment that is free, has virtually no side effects, and can be used in conjunction with other cancer treatments.

It involves cutting out carbohydrates, beginning with the worst carb of all - sugar.
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got cancer? Don't go get those expensive radiation treatments, don't go through chemo or surgery, just quit eating sugar and everything will be OK!
 
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Papa bull said:
Russian Scientists disagree, too. Russian Scientists: Global Cooling on Horizon - Health & Science - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
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Point-by-point rebuttal of this nonsense

This link that a perverbial dump on Bastardi's claims: Climate misinformer: Joe Bastardi

Do yourself a favor, don't look to the media to provide answers to questions of science. Unlike science (as an institution) the media have an incentive to sensationalize and misrepresent what the data says. As a scientist, sensationalizing and misrepresenting data, will at the very least get you marginalized, at worst, send the scientist who did it looking for a new line of work.

In science integrity is EVERYTHING, in the media, viewers/ readers are everything, integrity means nothing.
 
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I'm actually a big fan of science. AGW, however, is pseudo-science. I'm not such a big fan of that.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I see, so "CBN News" disagrees with me.
and NASA, and NOAA, and the National Geographic society (I cited), and CERN, and every other scientific organization on Earth. Gosh, I guess CBN News must have some inside information available only to silly bloggers.
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So NASA and NOAA agree with you? On what, precisely. Give me the link to the NASA or NOAA website where they state unequivocally that they agree with you. Not some article about something from NASA or some blog about some statement from someone that works for NOAA. Give me the specific link to THEIR OWN WORDS agreeing with you and tell me what they agree with you about.

Then we can discuss whether or not they are right.
 
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Papa bull said:
I'm actually a big fan of science. AGW, however, is pseudo-science. I'm not such a big fan of that.
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So far as "psudo-science", you my friend are entitled to your opinion, not your own facts.....
 
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