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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

texmaster said:
LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
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I fail to see how anyone can be any religion unless they want to be. When you are a child, you are probably incapable of truly making that sort of choice.
 
texmaster said:
LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
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Because that's not what he said, he said that Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim, which has been proved false, and now you've moved the goal post to include everyone ever born, as a Muslim that converted to Christianity, Buddism, Judaism, Atheism etc.
 
*yawn!*

Okie-dokie texie, you win. Does your wenis feel bigger now?
 
Coronado said:
I heard his long form birth certificate lists him as Schlomo Obamastein.
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If its a certificate of live birth from Hawaii it can say whatever he wants it to say!
 

I love the history in many Muslim countries but dislike the people. I avoid many for that reason.

I hated Dubai, it's not a good place to visit unless your more the beach and sun type person. I can't swim and I don't need a tan so I pretty much spent 2 weeks bored out of my mind visiting tall ass buildings

Syria tho is a beautiful country, it's steeped in history. Malaysia is on my list to visit as well.
 
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megaprogman said:
I fail to see how anyone can be any religion unless they want to be. When you are a child, you are probably incapable of truly making that sort of choice.
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didnt we recently have a discussion on circumcision...rites...infant baptism, etc...
 
Laila said:
Tough bargain.
I'll let you keep the bacon ... IF ... you let have the Harry Potter theme park (what can I say? I'm easy)

Congress will also be a nice bonus tho.
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Harry Potter theme park? Ugh ... I suppose. Only if it serves cold beer and bacon though.
 

I read this comment and thought..."wait a minute"! The Bible talks about these very same things, only it's abit more subtle about it.

Joshua 24:15 (KJV) - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve ; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell : but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Proverbs 22:6 (KJV) - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old , he will not depart from it.

Now, of course, Christianity doesn't have any tennates that state specifically "born a Christian, always a Christian," but it does say...

Jeremiah 32:40 (KJV) - And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good ; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

As much as some would deny it, both religions have their similarities.
 
VanceMack said:
didnt we recently have a discussion on circumcision...rites...infant baptism, etc...
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What your parents choose for you and what you choose for yourself are different considerations. Ultimately, your parent's desires are immaterial as each person nominally chooses for themselves when they come to that decision. Before that time, even if there was some sort of ceremony, effectively no choice has been made.
 

you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion:mrgreen
 
megaprogman said:
I fail to see how anyone can be any religion unless they want to be. When you are a child, you are probably incapable of truly making that sort of choice.
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I don't like the title of 'Muslim/Jewish/Christian child' because its inaccurate, they haven't chosen to follow that path
 
spud_meister said:
you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion:mrgreen
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I don't know, your government is wacked out when it comes to social morality. That whole internet filter thing just plain pisses me off.
 

I grew up on the beaches and sun...so maybe thats why I loved Dubai so much. There is a resort there...the Onyx...its amazing. And some of the new ones they opened...yowza. Some of the malls downtown too...insane. Even some great nightclubs if you know where to look.

I think UAE is a great example of why so many people have mixed conceptions about Muslims and the middle east. Some where their abayas into the ocean, some beaches are topless.
 
spud_meister said:
you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion:mrgreen
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I'd love to visit Australia but I want to get through Europe first.
Seems a waste to have it on my doorstep and not exploit that xD
 
megaprogman said:
I don't know, your government is wacked out when it comes to social morality. That whole internet filter thing just plain pisses me off.
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you know the funny thing about that, i was talking to an American fellow, and he was saying how surprised he was to hear someone say "s**t" on morning TV, and that they didn't blur someones middle finger when they showed it, so your countries still more prudish :2razz: and the filter is a non-issue until our government figures out who's governing :mrgreen:
 

I get that...I believe that. But whether people want to admit it or not, there ARE fundamentalist Muslim sects that do NOT believe it and denial of the fathers religion is tantamount to a death warrant. NOT all Muslims...I wish thats what people would get through their thick domes. Laila is RIGHT...of course she is and she probably knows better than anyone on this board her faith. But then...Laila freely admits that as a MUSLIM WOMAN she would be subject to death in SOME Muslim cultures. There is a difference in how it is believed, how it is lived, and yes...how it is enforced.

I just dont see why people refuse to see the obvious.
 
texmaster said:
LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
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let's look at the first sentence of the OP:
I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim.
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what is franklin graham's problem ... is it what he was before he became a born again Christian. must he always remain perceived as the heathen he was despite having been (supposedly) born again. if Obama's "problem" was being born a muslim then certainly franklin graham's "problem" is his heathenism
 

I didn't know about those verses until partner told me when we brought up the topic of the household religion for any of our future children. I always argued Christianity doesn't have the same traditions as Islam where it goes through the male so the children should just be raised Muslim until older and if they choose to follow Christianity, they should. But he brought those verses out and shut me right up.

The tradition is just a way of taking females of other religions but refusing to give up any of their own :shrug:
Idiocy if you ask me.
 

Those people are primitive and brutish, but that doesn't change the facts of the situation. A person chooses their own path and it cannot be chosen for them. Coersion in this sense is cause for regret thought as it interferes with the rightful decision that one has on this matter.
 

In some yes. No matter what I do, I'd get stoned.
I'm black. I'd probably get into **** in some Arab countries but Islam doesn't sanction that, culture does.

Islam is also enforced in other Muslim countries where I could walk around and not get stoned for reading. The interpretations of Islam is influenced by culture hence why it differs so much when one looks at the difference races within the Muslim population and then further into the cultures.
 

Then I'd suggest that those who oppose this mosque and have this fear of some sort of Muslim "hostile takeover of the country" stick to those facets of Islam most practised here in the West/America and stop going off on these wild tangants the give the false impression that every Muslim is a jihadist! It's insane to think so!! Such hatred is very much on par with the degree of hatred this nation experienced during the Civil Rights era only instead of it being whites against blacks, it's now directed towards Muslims and Hispanics.

While some concerns are legitimate, the outright blind hate is not!!! STOP THE FOOLISHNESS!!!
 
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That was another huge shocker for several of my fellow soldiers...they were SHOCKED when they were treated as badly as they were. Most of them thought, hey...we are going to the land of our brothers. Umm...not.
 
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