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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told CNN's John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.

"Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued, adding that "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs."
Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim.' As Pew Poll Shows, More Americans Confused About President's Religion. - ABC News

Interesting Dance Rev. Graham
 

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Very well said by the Reverand
 

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Considering Obama's father abandoned him before he could even walk, I would say he didn't give much to Obama.
 

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"[Before taking office], I had a habit of praying every night before I go to bed. I pray all the time now," Obama laughed. "Because I've got a lot of stuff on my plate, and I need guidance all the time."

I hear that!
 

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Considering Obama's father abandoned him before he could even walk, I would say he didn't give much to Obama.
What does that have to do with being born a Muslim?
 

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What does that have to do with being born a Muslim?
Belonging to a certain religion isn't something that happens when you are born, it's something that you decide for yourself. You can't be born Muslim, just like you can't be born Christian. There isn't a gene that decides your religion for you.
 

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It doesn't matter what he was born. I was born and baptized Catholic but I am not a Catholic. I don't practice the religion, I don't go to Church, I dislike the Pope, and I am pretty much as far from being Christian as one can get.
 

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Belonging to a certain religion isn't something that happens when you are born, it's something that you decide for yourself. You can't be born Muslim, just like you can't be born Christian. There isn't a gene that decides your religion for you.
But you can be born Jewish, if your mother is. I believe that's along the lines of what he is referring to.
 

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Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
 

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Belonging to a certain religion isn't something that happens when you are born, it's something that you decide for yourself. You can't be born Muslim, just like you can't be born Christian. There isn't a gene that decides your religion for you.
You need to read up on the faith of Islam. Sons are born into the faith by their fathers. Its in the Qur'an, not something you can judge for yourself. As Graham said, he's renounced that faith for Christianity but it doesn't change the facts.
 

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It doesn't matter what he was born. I was born and baptized Catholic but I am not a Catholic. I don't practice the religion, I don't go to Church, I dislike the Pope, and I am pretty much as far from being Christian as one can get.
Of course it matters. The faith is what sets the belief, not an outsider looking in.
 

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Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
Sounded like to me he was clarifying the confusion explaining the history, the faith of Islam, and the choice Obama made to become a Christian.
 

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Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
I didn't even realize he was "one of the nation's most prominent evangelical leaders". I know his dad was THE, but to me he's just been hanging off the name for forever.
 

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Very well said by the Reverand
It's amazing to me how so many Christians seem to claim authoritive knowledge over Islam and yet know so little about their own religion.
 

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It's amazing to me how so many Christians seem to claim authoritive knowledge over Islam and yet know so little about their own religion.
Empty words. If you are going to make a statement like that be ready to support it with factual backing.
 

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That means Islam would have accepted him as one of their own, but that doesn't mean he ever at any point considered himself Muslim.
 

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You need to read up on the faith of Islam. Sons are born into the faith by their fathers. Its in the Qur'an, not something you can judge for yourself. As Graham said, he's renounced that faith for Christianity but it doesn't change the facts.
So that means I can write a book, say everyone with a name that starts with a J belongs to my religion, and that means that everyone who has the letter J belongs to my religion until they denounce it?
 

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So that means I can write a book, say everyone with a name that starts with a J belongs to my religion, and that means that everyone who has the letter J belongs to my religion until they denounce it?
Sure, but you'll have to wait 1300-1400 years, give or take.
 

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Sure, but you'll have to wait 1300-1400 years, give or take.
Quickly, someone make me a time machine. I want to be a god worshipped by all those who have J as the first letter of their name.
 

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Quickly, someone make me a time machine. I want to be a god worshipped by all those who have J as the first letter of their name.
An evangelical pretending that someone else isn't "Christian" enough?

Never.

Yet another right-winger who says, "He says he's not a Muslim, so I suppose it's true." To even lend this debate credibility is continuing to stoke the fires of hatred and to further "otherize" American muslims.

This is merely an attempt to make the president renounce a religion.

I swear, some will not stop until we are at war with every Muslim nation.
 

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Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
to impugn Obama's character. this is the fellow who, after 9/11, referred to islam as "a very evil and wicked religion". more recently franklin graham stated that islam "is a religion of hatred. It's a religion of war"
franklin is the black sheep of the graham family as george is to the bush clan ... no surprise, both black sheep are friends and easily led figureheads of political neoconservatives
from his book, franklin graham writes
"The God of Islam is not the God of the Christian faith. The two are different as lightness and darkness."
this fellow is a reich wing evangelical who will say and do anything under the cover of Christ. he is a propagandist
this will be a fun read: Presents imperfect | Society | The Guardian
 

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But you can be born Jewish, if your mother is. I believe that's along the lines of what he is referring to.
That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
 

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That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
Whatever we all are - races or religions - I think the important thing is to be able to distinguish between biological and ideological.

Because while it's okay to reject certain ideologies (in fact, it's vital that we do this), I don't think it's okay to reject certain genetic features OR certain economic situations since they are both inherited, and are beyond the scope of mankind's comprehension - we have no idea what genetic features are most adaptable so we're best not to interfere with them.

The debate about whether "Jewish" refers to a "race" or a "religion" and whether racism is as bad as other forms of discrimination, seems a bit pedantic. Isn't being accepted for the things you can't change the most important thing here? Along with knowing which things can be changed?

If Jewish can be changed, then it's ideology. But it seems far more likely to me that all Abrahamic religions are ideologies. And that would mean that the religion of birth of Obama (or anyone else) means very little as far as decision-making goes.
 
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So that means I can write a book, say everyone with a name that starts with a J belongs to my religion, and that means that everyone who has the letter J belongs to my religion until they denounce it?
Its what the religion believes and recognizes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
 
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