The Resurrection

[RAMOSS]

RAMOSS, I have told you on multiple occasions that G-d has two sheep pens. One group that is of the old wood and the other that was grafted onto the tree. Others telling you are going to Hell because you do not accept Jesus shouldn't bother you if your faith in G-d is strong.

The point I am trying to make is the case can be made that though the one I call Yeshua commanded that the Good News be first taken to the Jew wherever they went and then to the Gentiles the Church failed in that command when they decided to ditch their Jewish roots. There was no New Testament/Covenant to read from in those early days. All they had was what is seen today as the Old Testament and through that alone the Church increased in numbers. But once the Church decided to ditch its Jewish roots they could no longer be a witness to Jews and expect Jews to take them seriously.

Today the is an awakening occurring among Jews recognizing Yeshua to be the Messiah. And it has nothing to do with the Church.

That is your opinion. I disagree. Jesus is not the messiah. He is not qualified to be the messiah. Not only that, the Christian concept of the Messiah is vastly different that the Jewish concept.

 

[RAMOSS]

Um that is not quite true...I have never told you how to live your life nor have I ever told you are going to hell...yet you pretend a lot to care what what I believe...so why don't you back up an punt there?

No, but you have not shown certain other things.. like, being able to explain anything using your own words... that and the constant 'SMH' and sarcasm when people disagree with you.

 

[Daisy]

No, but you have not shown certain other things.. like, being able to explain anything using your own words... that and the constant 'SMH' and sarcasm when people disagree with you.

You see only what you wanna see, Ramoss...I use my own words in many posts so take off your blinders and put your bias aside for once...

 

[RAMOSS]

You see only what you wanna see, Ramoss...I use my own words in many posts so take off your blinders and put your bias aside for once...

When you use your own words, you do not convey information, or knowledge. Various numbers of the so called 'seven deadly sins' yes.. information and knowledge, no.

 

[Daisy]

When you use your own words, you do not convey information, or knowledge. Various numbers of the so called 'seven deadly sins' yes.. information and knowledge, no.

Then do me a favor and never, ever address my any of posts again...because you don't care as long as I don't tell you how to live or that you are going to hell...ok?

 

[vesper]

That is your opinion. I disagree. Jesus is not the messiah. He is not qualified to be the messiah. Not only that, the Christian concept of the Messiah is vastly different that the Jewish concept.

You know an old rabbi who is no longer with us once told me that in that day Yeshua would never ever turned around if someone was calling for Jesus. The old guy became a believer and spent the rest of his days teaching the Church their Jewish roots that they had forgotten.


While you claim He is not qualified to be the Messiah there are other Jewish brothers and sisters who would respectfully disagree with you. Shalom

 

[RAMOSS]

Then do me a favor and never, ever address my any of posts again...because you don't care as long as I don't tell you how to live or that you are going to hell...ok?

YOu may use the ignore button if you wish. I will point out where you are mistaken, never the less.

 

[Daisy]

YOu may use the ignore button if you wish. I will point out where you are mistaken, never the less.

Fine...and I will always point out where you are being hypocritical...

 

[RAMOSS]

You know an old rabbi who is no longer with us once told me that in that day Yeshua would never ever turned around if someone was calling for Jesus. The old guy became a believer and spent the rest of his days teaching the Church their Jewish roots that they had forgotten.


While you claim He is not qualified to be the Messiah there are other Jewish brothers and sisters who would respectfully disagree with you. Shalom

If they say Jesus is the Messiah,they are not of the Jewish faith.

 

[RAMOSS]

Fine...and I will always point out where you are being hypocritical...

You can try :lamo

 

[Daisy]

You can try :lamo

I will succeed...

 

[vesper]

If they say Jesus is the Messiah,they are not of the Jewish faith.

Says who? Those who believe like you? They keep all the festivals and feasts, they follow G-ds laws including the Sabbath and rejoice on Sunday in praise and worship. In fact most of them probably do a better job of keeping the dietary laws than most Jews. Yet they are not Jewish? Tsk Tsk. You will have to do better than that RAMOSS.

 

[RAMOSS]

Says who? Those who believe like you? They keep all the festivals and feasts, they follow G-ds laws including the Sabbath and rejoice on Sunday in praise and worship. In fact most of them probably do a better job of keeping the dietary laws than most Jews. Yet they are not Jewish? Tsk Tsk. You will have to do better than that RAMOSS.

Say the Orthodox Judiasm, the Conservative Judaism, the Reform Judaism, the Reconstruction Judaism, The Humanistic Judaism, the Karsites, the Sanhedrin, and the State of Israel when it comes to using 'Jewishness' as part of the law of Return.

In Israel, the Sanhedrin declared "Messianic" jews can not be married as Jews https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...cannot-be-married-as-jews-in-israel-1.5447252

 

[Pedestrian]

I started reading the opening post,got half way and starting laughing.
I've never read anything so totally gay...well a few stuff this dude barack "LL Cool Jay" obama has said and wrote.
I may not be a church goer but I do respect those who do and believe.
I'm not going to waste time going back and forth. You have your stories...clem and I have my beliefs.
I'm done.
(walks away)

But not so fast. Angel gives us a quote clearly positing that disbelievers are heathens. And despite the fact that god after waiting oh

say about 100,000 to 200,000 years of 'mandkind' to step in and fix [us] and did so to a bunch of ignorant heathens walking around the desert.

Just like a previous poster wrote 'well that's your choice' but...

NO it is not to be his choice if he is a believer. His choices are to based solely on the scriptures. You are to be god-fearing and obey the orders

of your god.

 

[vesper]

Say the Orthodox Judiasm, the Conservative Judaism, the Reform Judaism, the Reconstruction Judaism, The Humanistic Judaism, the Karsites, the Sanhedrin, and the State of Israel when it comes to using 'Jewishness' as part of the law of Return.

In Israel, the Sanhedrin declared "Messianic" jews can not be married as Jews https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...cannot-be-married-as-jews-in-israel-1.5447252

So what's new? The Sanhedrin hasn't changed in over 2000 years. But that doesn't make Messianic Jews any less Jewish. They still keep G-d's laws and probably better than most.

So in the end will it be the judgement of G-d or the judgement of the Sanhedrin that wins out? I will leave you to ponder that one.

 

[RAMOSS]

So what's new? The Sanhedrin hasn't changed in over 2000 years. But that doesn't make Messianic Jews any less Jewish. They still keep G-d's laws and probably better than most.

So in the end will it be the judgement of G-d or the judgement of the Sanhedrin that wins out? I will leave you to ponder that one.

They are apostate, because they accepted a man as a God. Their theology is distinctly Evangelistic Christian. They can play at being Jewish all they want, but, in Israel, even legally, they aren't eligible for the Law of Return.

From Developments in the Family Member Clause of the Law of Return - Israel Today | Israel News

In HCJ 265/87 Beresford v. the Interior Ministry, it was determined that a Messianic Jew/Christian is a member of another religion, and is therefore considered not Jewish, in accordance with the Jewish definition given in Section 4(b) of the Law of Return.

So, legally, in the nation of Israel, a 'messianic Jew' is not Jewish.

 

[vesper]

They are apostate, because they accepted a man as a God. Their theology is distinctly Evangelistic Christian. They can play at being Jewish all they want, but, in Israel, even legally, they aren't eligible for the Law of Return.

From Developments in the Family Member Clause of the Law of Return - Israel Today | Israel News



So, legally, in the nation of Israel, a 'messianic Jew' is not Jewish.

So what? That doesn't make them any less Jewish if you follow their bloodline by law. So which laws does a Jew follow, those by G-d or those by man?

 

[RAMOSS]

So what? That doesn't make them any less Jewish if you follow their bloodline by law. So which laws does a Jew follow, those by G-d or those by man?

Why, they are not of the Jewish faith, and that is all that matters. If they were of Jewish heritage (the vast majority of them were not), then they could return to the Jewish faith without the lengthy conversion process.. but they are not considered of the Jewish faith.

If they accept Jesus as Savior, they are Christian, according to the Laws of Israel, and also morally and ethically Christian, not Jewish.

 

[vesper]

Why, they are not of the Jewish faith, and that is all that matters. If they were of Jewish heritage (the vast majority of them were not), then they could return to the Jewish faith without the lengthy conversion process.. but they are not considered of the Jewish faith.

If they accept Jesus as Savior, they are Christian, according to the Laws of Israel, and also morally and ethically Christian, not Jewish.

And once again you have not answered the question in whose court are they not considered part of the Jewish faith G-d's or man.

 

[RAMOSS]

And once again you have not answered the question in whose court are they not considered part of the Jewish faith G-d's or man.

God gave the Torah and the laws to man,.. and it is ours now. It seems that for all your pretentiousness about going on about Yeshua and such, you have no conception of what it means to be Jewish.

 

[vesper]

God gave the Torah and the laws to man,.. and it is ours now. It seems that for all your pretentiousness about going on about Yeshua and such, you have no conception of what it means to be Jewish.

Yes I do have a real conception of what it means to be Jewish. Starting with my father.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes I do have a real conception of what it means to be Jewish. Starting with my father.

No, you don't. If you knew wht it was like to be of the jewish faith, you would not make those statements.

You are not your father.

 

[vesper]

No, you don't. If you knew wht it was like to be of the jewish faith, you would not make those statements.

You are not your father.

RAMOSS you are so far off base. My dad and I were very close. My dad accepted Yeshua as Messiah . When he passed the only thing that I wanted of his was his prayer shawl which I eventually got. You don't know what you are talking about. I am my father's daughter.

 

[Angel]

So what's new? The Sanhedrin hasn't changed in over 2000 years. But that doesn't make Messianic Jews any less Jewish. They still keep G-d's laws and probably better than most.

So in the end will it be the judgement of G-d or the judgement of the Sanhedrin that wins out? I will leave you to ponder that one.

They are apostate, because they accepted a man as a God. Their theology is distinctly Evangelistic Christian. They can play at being Jewish all they want, but, in Israel, even legally, they aren't eligible for the Law of Return.

From Developments in the Family Member Clause of the Law of Return - Israel Today | Israel News



So, legally, in the nation of Israel, a 'messianic Jew' is not Jewish.

Oh so! Shoe's on the other foot here. Vesper gives you a taste of your own medicine. Remember this next time you go after the Jahovah's Witnesses or the Baptists or the Roman Catholics. Yes?

Respect Religion.

Namaste.

 

[RAMOSS]

RAMOSS you are so far off base. My dad and I were very close. My dad accepted Yeshua as Messiah . When he passed the only thing that I wanted of his was his prayer shawl which I eventually got. You don't know what you are talking about. I am my father's daughter.

If he 'accepted Yeshsua as his savior', then he is not of the Jewish faith. If he ever was Jewish, he gave it up that faith is is apostate. End of story.