The 'restructuring' of our Justice Dept.

[Moderate Right]

Trump is restructuring the entire U.S. Justice Dept for the benefit of Roger Stone, his friend of 30 years. He has used the power of William Barr to accomplish it. The fallout of this interference resulted in four experienced, non-partisan prosecutors walking away from the case. If Trump gets his way, it will mean that one of our most impartial and non-partisan federal agencies is now nothing other than an arm of the president. The justice dept will be lacking 4 more people serving this country out of patriotism and integrity. Trump denied that his action could be considered political interference.

Starting with some of Trump's statements to the press yesterday. "This is a horrible and unfair situation. A miscarriage of justice. Roger Stone was treated very badly."

Then this tweet:

Fact check:

Roger Stone is a convicted felon, convicted at trial by a jury of 13 of his peers on 3 counts of lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction of justice.

Fact check:

There's no evidence whatsoever that Robert Mueller lied to Congress and nobody has ever accused him of lying to Congress.

Tweet regarding Paul Manafort and compared him being put in ''SOLITARY CONFINEMENT" to the treatment of Al Capone.

Fact check:

According to Andrew Weismanm, lead prosecutor under Robert Mueller and Senior Fellow at the NYU School of Law, "Paul Manafort has never been in solitary confinement. Just to be clear, judges do not place people in solitary confinement or not. Where people are placed and how they're housed is done by the warden of the prison. Because he was a high-profile inmate, Paul Manafort was placed in what's known as a 'Michael Vicks suite' ... as two previous high-profile inmates — former NFL star Michael Vick and Chris Brown had been detained. He did not wear prison clothes, he was caught on tape saying he was being treated like a VIP, he had internet access, he had a private room, private library with a laptop and a huge extension cord so he could bring it anywhere he wanted. So, that's Paul Manafort's 'solitary confinement".


Roger Stone apologized to Judge Amy Berman Jackson after posting this on his twitter, a 'bullseye' next to her photo. She is the same judge that's going to be passing sentence on Stone next Thursday.

Well, let's see, under Obama we had Eric Holder refusing to comply with Congressional subpoenas regarding giving weapons to Mexican drug lords and we had Loretta Lynch meeting Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac while Hillary was being investigated, not to mention members of the FBI plotting with foreign spies to influence the election and forming an insurance policy just in case the deep state didn't win.

 

[HumblePi]

Well, let's see, under Obama we had Eric Holder refusing to comply with Congressional subpoenas regarding giving weapons to Mexican drug lords and we had Loretta Lynch meeting Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac while Hillary was being investigated, not to mention members of the FBI plotting with foreign spies to influence the election and forming an insurance policy just in case the deep state didn't win.

Try to address the current topic without the usual resorting to ancient history that you have factually incorrect to begin with. These topics have been discussed ad nausea here many times, but it's all you have, it's just all you got, you have no other defense, so you insist on rehashing old news because you just can't fact facts.

 

[dcaraz]

It’s a good thing that Trump is intervening against the injustice being perpetrated by the “Justice” Department. Hopefully he sends some career bureaucrats packing.

I am sure you'll get your wish. Many patriotic government professionals have found it impossible to do their work under the Fuhrer.
With the complicit GOP Senate and now lap dog Barr acting as Trump's personal protectors, Teflon Don will feel he can do or say anything (he has said as much).
Trump apologists who seemingly will support any lie, misinformation, conspiracy theory or attack are working overtime to make the 2020's just like Putin's Russia.
We've all read about places like Communist East Germany where you either toe the line or pay the consequences. Never thought I'd see it under the Stars & Stripes.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

It’s a good thing that Trump is intervening against the injustice being perpetrated by the “Justice” Department. Hopefully he sends some career bureaucrats packing.

Get it straight, Trump is interfering with and undermining the Justice Department. Same as he did with the DOD with regard to the despicable character, E7 Gallagher (as someone who also wore anchors and upheld the honor and integrity of the Chief Petty Officers brotherhood, I refuse to refer to him as “Chief”).

 

[AmNat]

Get it straight, Trump is interfering with and undermining the Justice Department.

Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He’s literally the boss of everyone who works there. He can no more “interfere” with the Justice Department than Tim Cook can “interfere” with Apple.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He’s literally the boss of everyone who works there. He can no more “interfere” with the Justice Department than Tim Cook can “interfere” with Apple.

Obviously you don’t understand the reasoning behind organizational duties and responsibilities.

Trump reaching far down the chain of command, issuing orders that directly conflict with both regulations and established norms damages respect for chain of command, morale and effectiveness of those departments.

 

[AmNat]

Obviously you don’t understand the reasoning behind organizational duties and responsibilities.

Trump reaching far down the chain of command, issuing orders that directly conflict with both regulations and established norms damages respect for chain of command, morale and effectiveness of those departments.

Again, Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He can intervene in any executive branch operation that his own good judgment leads him to.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Again, Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He can intervene in any executive branch operation that his own good judgment leads him to.

“Good judgment”? Man, you drank all of the Kool-Aid.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Fun that you are not able to say what is not in reality in what I wrote.

LOL! You're compelled to pretend that he was found guilty for "obstructing an investigation into something that never actually happened"

That's comically delusional.

He was unanimously convicted on 7 federal felony counts in a short time by the jury, and yet you identify and sympahtize with the criminal.

Meh.

 

[dcaraz]

Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He’s literally the boss of everyone who works there. He can no more “interfere” with the Justice Department than Tim Cook can “interfere” with Apple.

What kind of lame excuse is it to excuse any sort of behavior by powerful leaders just because they are in charge of our organizations?
You sound ready to crown Trump as our royal monarch who can have any commoner beheaded for their disagreeable thoughts or actions.
Thanks to the rule of law (when followed), there are CEOs and military officers serving time in prison for their actions while being the "boss" of others.
And last time I looked Mr. Trump was elected to oversee the Executive Branch under the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Federal Laws of the land.
The agencies of our federal government are sworn to uphold that Constitution--NOT the sitting president.
Using the Justice Department as his personal attack dogs to intimidate his opponents is NOT acceptable for an American president.
Trump should not carry on like the dictator in Venezuela who disbanded that nation's legislature.
Our president should NOT browbeat the Justice Department into acting as his personal law firm to do Trump's bidding.
Our democracy can't be maintained if American's who disagree with the president can end up on the President's Enemies List and as targets of the people's Justice Department.

 

[dcaraz]

Again, Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He can intervene in any executive branch operation that his own good judgment leads him to.

So glad you are happy with this man's brand of leadership. As measured in political polling, more than 50% of all Americans believe that Donald Trump is unfit to lead our nation.
We are not a uniform block of leftist radicals. Most who see Trump as a threat to the underlying values of democracy are apalled by his "own good judgement."
We will have to wait to see if a majority of Electoral College votes cast in November anoint Trump Fuhrer so that America can continue to prosper under "his own good judgment".
Examples of Trump's "own good judgement":
> Support for coal, oil and gas industries while ignoring increased threats from rising sea levels, historic floods, fires and hurricanes
> Denying Russian interference in our elections while accepting Putin's claims of innocence
> Ignoring the US intelligence community warnings about Russian cyber attacks, and doing nothing to safeguard American infrastructure
> Throwing our Kurdish allies to the Iranian, Syrian and Russian wolves illustrates how trustworthy Trump's loyalty is on the battlefield
> Handing a massive tax cut to the wealthiest Americans and largest corporations doubled our national budget deficit (but who cares?)
> Lying to Americans while he supports eliminating healthcare protection for preexisting conditions
> Lying to Americans while he supports reductions in Social Security and Medicare benefits in order to pay for the massive tax cut
> Equating white supremacists with those who oppose them

All in Trump's "own good judgement".

 

[Lutherf]

I hope the judge gives roger a fifteen year sentence to send a message to trump and his cronies and it's probably going to be a woman to have enough balls to send the message.

You want an excessive sentence for Stone so that it sends a message to Trump and his supporters? You believe that such a thing would be “justice”?

Does it occur to you that you are advocating for EXACTLY the kind of thing Trump is complaining about?

 

[Athanasius68]

LOL! You're compelled to pretend that he was found guilty for "obstructing an investigation into something that never actually happened"

That's comically delusional.

He was unanimously convicted on 7 federal felony counts in a short time by the jury, and yet you identify and sympahtize with the criminal.

Meh.

Yes-- he was convicted for statements and acts made during an investigation into whether Mr. Trump had conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
It is "comically delusional" to suggest that Mr. Trump did conspire with Russia to fix the 2016 election.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Yes-- he was convicted for statements and acts made during an investigation into whether Mr. Trump had conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
It is "comically delusional" to suggest that Mr. Trump did conspire with Russia to fix the 2016 election.

Your support of criminality and desperate dependence on a fantasy narrative to avoid reality duly noted for the record.

 

[j brown's body]

It’s a good thing that Trump is intervening against the injustice being perpetrated by the “Justice” Department. Hopefully he sends some career bureaucrats packing.

Stone's indictment and conviction was accomplished by Barr's Justice Dept., and Barr has claimed it was right and he is proud of it.

 

[Athanasius68]

Your support of criminality and desperate dependence on a fantasy narrative to avoid reality duly noted for the record.

No fantasy on my end.
Stone was convicted.
Trump did not conspire with Russia. Sorry to puncture the shell.

 

[j brown's body]

Yes-- he was convicted for statements and acts made during an investigation into whether Mr. Trump had conspired with Russia to fix the 2016 election.
It is "comically delusional" to suggest that Mr. Trump did conspire with Russia to fix the 2016 election.

He encouraged Russia to get involved in our election, he used material that Russia stole in the election, he lied about members of his campaign meeting with Russians during the election, and he lied about his family trying to do business with Russia during the election.

And that's just what we saw with our own eyes.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No fantasy on my end.
Stone was convicted.
Trump did not conspire with Russia. Sorry to puncture the shell.

What your lord and savior twump did or did not do is utterly irrelevant Stone's crimes, his conviction and your support of his criminality.

Enjoy your fantasy!

 

[Tanngrisnir]

He encouraged Russia to get involved in our election, he used material that Russia stole in the election, he lied about members of his campaign meeting with Russians during the election, and he lied about his family trying to do business with Russia during the election.

And that's just what we saw with our own eyes.

There simply is no reasoning with True Believers.

 

[Athanasius68]

He encouraged Russia to get involved in our election,

Russia was already involved in our election. The FBI had apparently been investigating this since 2015.

he used material that Russia stole in the election,

Via Wikileaks.
Meanwhile, the Obama Admin used the anti-Trump anonymous Russian sourced dossier in court against an American citizen.
Who did worse?

he lied about members of his campaign meeting with Russians during the election,

Yep-- Russians reached out to his campaign.
And they reached out to the Clinton campaign.
The Trump campaign received nothing.
The Clinton campaign received dirt on Trump.

 

[Athanasius68]

What your lord and savior twump did or did not do is utterly irrelevant Stone's crimes, his conviction!

I agree.

I am not supporting Stone here.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

I agree.

I am not supporting Stone here.

LOL! But, of course, you actually are, rationalizing away his crimes and thereby supporting him.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Again, Donald Trump is the President of the United States. He can intervene in any executive branch operation that his own good judgment leads him to.

The problem is he's never shown any "good judgement" in his life. He's very good at bluff and bluster, but for a "stable" genius he has demonstrated he has NO horse sense whatsoever.<--period

 

[Athanasius68]

LOL! But, of course, you actually are, rationalizing away his crimes and thereby supporting him.

Who is doing that? The question becomes does he need to be in jail for 7 to 9?
I don't think so.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I will say it loud and clear

Trump... is... not... the... law!