The reason for the mockery of Christians in the political atmosphere.

[Reformedfindlay]

Aristocrats who wanted the serfs to continue working hard for little or nothing 6 days a week in the hope of a reward in the afterlife.

That was an extremely unfortunate aftermath of the rising power of the church in the times of feudalism. There were more unfortunate aftermaths of course.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

demand

who gave us Christianity?

Sure, but what directly led to christian priests? Christianity, the established religious institute that was created BY humans but isn't HUMAN itself.

Christianity led to perverted priests, not humanity, humanity led to perverts.

demand leads to supply, not humanity spontaneously leads to supply. The demand from humanity leads to supply (bad analogy but the best way to explain it for now). The direct cause if it were on a chart would show an arrow from demand to supply not an arrow skipping past demand and going directly to supply.

 

[Logicman]

I can actually, the question was: What has christianity given this world?

Here's for STARTERS:

Good things Christians have done in society

Christianity has given priests who rape little children, yep I can cite examples of those who violate and misinterpret Christianity's teachings, because they all still have their origins in the church.

Nonsense. Pedophiles joined the church and masqueraded as priests to serve their illicit lusts.

 

[CLAX1911]

Aristocrats.

Yep, part of humanity.

 

[CLAX1911]

But if you do it's a really dumb argument.

Your opinion is noted.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Here's for STARTERS:

Good things Christians have done in society



Nonsense. Pedophiles joined the church and masqueraded as priests to serve their illicit lusts.

They are the very core of the church, Christianity, doesn't matter why or how they joined its the fact that they were in the church, representing the church and christianity, and doing this horrid ****. Sense, not nonsense.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Yep, part of humanity.

Christianity was started 100s of years before Feudalism was even a concept in the human mind... And by the poor at that...

Holy ****... :/

 

[CLAX1911]

demand

Sure, but what directly led to christian priests? Christianity, the established religious institute that was created BY humans but isn't HUMAN itself.

Christianity led to perverted priests, not humanity, humanity led to perverts.

demand leads to supply, not humanity spontaneously leads to supply. The demand from humanity leads to supply (bad analogy but the best way to explain it for now). The direct cause if it were on a chart would show an arrow from demand to supply not an arrow skipping past demand and going directly to supply.

It's all humanity dude. Where did it come from? Magical goblins?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

It's all humanity dude. Where did it come from? Magical goblins?

We discovered how to apply science to solve issues. But does that make science humanity? Does science = humanity

Maybe an aspect, but no, answer if science 100% = humanity

 

[CLAX1911]

Christianity was started 100s of years before Feudalism was even a concept in the human mind... And by the poor at that...

Holy ****... :/

Either way it's a human creation.

 

[CLAX1911]

We discovered how to apply science to solve issues. But does that make science humanity? Does science = humanity

Maybe an aspect, but no, answer if science 100% = humanity

Science is human understanding of reality. Reality exists regardless of humans. Religion is dreamed up by people. wishing to control other people. There is a huge difference.

Did you really just say religion and science are the same thing?

I am not religious but that is an odd argument.

 

[CLAX1911]

They are the very core of the church, Christianity, doesn't matter why or how they joined its the fact that they were in the church, representing the church and christianity, and doing this horrid ****. Sense, not nonsense.

They are human beings. They aren't magical because they are priests.

If some asshole molested a child that wasn't a priest but say was part of AAA you wouldn't claim AAA did those things.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Science is human understanding of reality. Reality exists regardless of humans. Religion is dreamed up by people. wishing to control other people. There is a huge difference.

Did you really just say religion and science are the same thing?

I am not religious but that is an odd argument.

I never implied that, simply used an example to showcase an error in your thinking (or at least I believe to be an error in your thinking).

Science is not a human understanding of reality. It has nothing to do with humanity.

Science as per the oxford dictionary = "The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"

Nowhere in there does it state human. It's simply a purely intellectual/practical activity used to study the behavior of one's surroundings. The one as we know is most likely a human, doesn't mean science itself is a human thing.

Grab a dictionary.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

They are human beings. They aren't magical because they are priests.

If some asshole molested a child that wasn't a priest but say was part of AAA you wouldn't claim AAA did those things.

I understand they are human beings, but they are human beings within the religion Christianity.

I would claim AAA did those things, on a regular basis who knows? But if it happened before I have absolutely every right to claim AAA did those things because it happened.

 

[CLAX1911]

I never implied that, simply used an example to showcase an error in your thinking (or at least I believe to be an error in your thinking).

Sorry luft that was extremely terrible. Science is observing and understanding the world for what exists and is testable. Religion is made up beliefs so that people don't have to persevere scientific answers.

Science is not a human understanding of reality. It has nothing to do with humanity.

Yes it does. It is simply is figuring out what was all along. You are confusing reality with science. Science is an endeavor to understand a study, a way of thinking and examining evidence to form a theory.

You are so desperate to prove somebody wrong you don't. Even realize that you are arguing somebody that agrees with you.

Science as per the oxford dictionary = "The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment"

What intellect? Who's study? Who is observing? I would think humans, to bring understanding to other humans. But what do I know?

Nowhere in there does it state human.

It does talk about intellectual endeavor. Who's intellectual endeavor, dogs? Men from Mars? Then it mentions study, what study? Who is doing this study? Then it mentions observations.

If there were no humans or intelligent life they're would be no "intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment". So it's dependant on humans.

It's simply a purely intellectual/practical activity used to study the behavior of one's surroundings.

Lol, the activity of what? And when you say "one's" what does that mean? What it's this one? A battle ship? A ghost? A rock what?

The one as we know is most likely a human, doesn't mean science itself is a human thing.

Really I have never met a scientist that was an elephant.

Grab a dictionary.

See above.

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Sorry luft that was extremely terrible. Science is observing and understanding the world for what exists and is testable. Religion is made up beliefs so that people don't have to persevere scientific answers.

Yes it does. It is simply is figuring out what was all along. You are confusing reality with science. Science is an endeavor to understand a study, a way of thinking and examining evidence to form a theory.

You are so desperate to prove somebody wrong you don't. Even realize that you are arguing somebody that agrees with you.

What intellect? Who's study? Who is observing? I would think humans, to bring understanding to other humans. But what do I know?

It does talk about intellectual endeavor. Who's intellectual endeavor, dogs? Men from Mars? Then it mentions study, what study? Who is doing this study? Then it mentions observations.

If there were no humans or intelligent life they're would be no "intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment". So it's dependant on humans.

Lol, the activity of what? And when you say "one's" what does that mean? What it's this one? A battle ship? A ghost? A rock what?

Really I have never met a scientist that was an elephant.

See above.

Until intelligent life is disproved throughout the entire universe other than us (we don't even know the full extent of the universe) then science being strictly humanity makes no sense.

They agree with me to an extent, an extent at which I am not satisfied with.

I'm not confusing reality with science the dictionary ****ing said what science was.

 

[CLAX1911]

I understand they are human beings, but they are human beings within the religion Christianity.

So what? That doesn't make them any more or less human. If they were television repairmen would you think that televisions make people rape children?

I would claim AAA did those things, on a regular basis who knows?

Don't be absurd. AAA can't do those things because AAA is an idea. Only people can do those things.

But if it happened before I have absolutely every right to claim AAA did those things because it happened.

You have every right to claim a giant purple bear in space did it. Doesn't make it an intelligent statement.

 

[CLAX1911]

Until intelligent life is disproved throughout the entire universe other than us (we don't even know the full extent of the universe) then science being strictly humanity makes no sense.

They agree with me to an extent, an extent at which I am not satisfied with.

I'm not confusing reality with science the dictionary ****ing said what science was.

What alien science do we have?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

So what? That doesn't make them any more or less human. If they were television repairmen would you think that televisions make people rape children?

Don't be absurd. AAA can't do those things because AAA is an idea. Only people can do those things.

You have every right to claim a giant purple bear in space did it. Doesn't make it an intelligent statement.

Depends, intelligence is subjective, you may not see it as intelligent I might.

AAA is a company, not an idea.

 

[CLAX1911]

Depends, intelligence is subjective, you may not see it as intelligent I might.

Sorry, it's bigotry. It's like saying all white people hate black people because the ku Klux Klan is white.

AAA is a company, not an idea.

well it isn't a person and it isn't capable of doing anything. Only people are people

 

[CLAX1911]

Depends, intelligence is subjective, you may not see it as intelligent I might.

AAA is a company, not an idea.

Alfred Kinsey took sexual advantage of children and he was atheist. I guess atheism molests children too.

Jeffery Dahmer was an atheist. I guess atheism is a serial killer.

Kim jong Il was atheist. Mal Zedong, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, mussolini. I can play this game too. Those examples must prove atheism is a pox on humanity. Or perhaps they are just individual wackos.

 

[Beaudreaux]

hopefully it does change, we don't need religions to be any more polarizing than they naturally are.

I think the fundies hijacked the conservative party. Because they aren't really conservative. Well by the Barry Goldwater standard. But then again I am a Goldwater conservative. I think they jumped on that bandwagon when the communist crap was going on.

I am as well.

I agree with your analysis when discussing the US. However, other religions have taken on political power - Islam in the Middle East, Persia, Africa and the Pacific Rim; Hinduism and Buddhism in Far East; Judaism in Israel of course, and; don't forget the Church of England which has been the staple of political guidance in Briton since Queen Elizabeth I revived her father's (Henry VIII) beliefs and made it the national religion which they have been fighting with the Catholics over ever since.

So, it's not just here in the US, although freedom of religion and a lack of a mandated belief by the government was one of the tenets that this country was founded upon. The religious right (what I call the God Squad) have forgotten that little tidbit of our history.

 

[CLAX1911]

I am as well.

I agree with your analysis when discussing the US. However, other religions have taken on political power - Islam in the Middle East, Persia, Africa and the Pacific Rim; Hinduism and Buddhism in Far East; Judaism in Israel of course, and; don't forget the Church of England which has been the staple of political guidance in Briton since Queen Elizabeth I revived her father's (Henry VIII) beliefs and made it the national religion which they have been fighting with the Catholics over ever since.

So, it's not just here in the US, although freedom of religion and a lack of a mandated belief by the government was one of the tenets that this country was founded upon. The religious right (what I call the God Squad) have forgotten that little tidbit of our history.

They out and out trample it.

 

[Paschendale]

1. It is NOT a no true scotsman fallacy, I'm not defining Christianity arbitrarily as not violent of whatever, I'm defining it from New Testament theology, the way it's ALWAYS been defined, and under that definition, the actual definition, no, those so-called fundementalist "christian" malitias are not christian and certainly not christian fundementalist.

So, the Inquisition wasn't "real" Christianity? The bloody spread across Europe, of genocide and forced conversions, those weren't "real" Christianity? Pogroms and more than a thousand years of massacring Jews weren't "real" Christianity? Oppressing women and killing independent women as witches and freethinking people as heretics wasn't "real" Christianity? Yeah, that's a no true Scotsman fallacy. According to you, nearly every Christian isn't really Christian. That's complete nonsense. You can't just cherry pick the parts of history that you like. And there is no "always" in a religion, least of all one that's two thousand years old.

2. The entire liberal ideology from europe came from and assumed a christian world view, and guess what, so did european socialism. The whole idea of man created equal, man being an ultimate value on to himself, the value of the individual, the value of community for communities sake, all come from a christian worldview.

Suuuuure it is. In the real world, all of those ideas long since predate Christianity, and most of those aren't actually part of any Christian theology. They certainly weren't a part of about a thousand years worth of medieval European Christian thought.

It's strange how little you know about your own religion and its history.

 

[Manc Skipper]

To divert back to the OP, the obvious reason for Christianity being mocked more in the West is that it's familiar to everyone's experience. If I make a joke about transubstantiation, most westerners will get the context in which it's set. If I then riff on the complexity of the difference between Sunni and Sufi, hardly anyone will get it, because they don't have the basic background knowledge to understand the joke There's no point in making mock if the audience don't know what you're talking about.