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mixedmedia said:Wow, great job. :bravo:
Now to be totally bowled over by the nay-sayers....How can anyone argue these points?
And you beautifully support the truth that real liberal ideals go far beyond the meager confines of US politics.
SouthernDemocrat said:Not to like toot my own horn or anything, but I do think I did do a good job on that. We should go over it well to make sure there are no grammatical errors in it then forward it to everyone you know and get them to do the same so it makes the email circuit like the right wingers do with the crap they spew.
mixedmedia said:I could help you edit it. I actually enjoy that sort of thing.
A chain letter of sorts could be good but I wouldn't limit it to that. Sending it to all our friends and acquaintances who already think like we do would be an instance of "preaching to the choir."
I would definitely submit it to the editorial page of your local newspaper(s). It may need to be shortened for that though. The Sojourners newsletter takes submissions from readers, too. But again, their readers already feel the way we do. You'll want people to read this that need their light bulb turned on.
Posting on other debate sites might be good, as well.
Thanks for writing it.
128shot said:I find it interesting.
Mostly because Europe is the one de-nouncing all kinds of religious things. They have a general...something for god/religion that isn't always good.
SouthernDemocrat said:Notice how none of the religious right has so much as touched this thread so far.
The company I work for is one of the largest press syndicates in the world and has a publishing company as well. I suppose that if I was going to submit it to the editorial page of our local newspapers, I could just have someone up in editorial clean it up for me.
A chain email, if it’s a good one, makes the rounds to a lot of people. I get right wing ones sent to me by acquaintances all the time, so people get them regardless of their ideology. The right wing has a great propaganda machine, if we want to compete with them in the marketplace of ideas, we have to be just as good in getting our message out.
128shot said:Erm, most Europeans find it offense that we have our president swear on a bible, for example.
Its a total love hate relationship....
religious class? it has tons of relevance to culture...
Old and wise said:The Real Reason God No Longer Protects Us is because he/she/it does not exist.
God is a fabrication in the minds of people that can not face reality and need to ask an imaginary entity for guidance.
Isnt this harsh? I am Christian, and yes there are plenty corrupt religions out there, including Christian Denominations. (hence why i am non-denominational Christian) But i don't appreciate being called a 'mere fool' for what i believe in.mixedmedia said:This is kind of harsh isn't it? I am not a Christian but I have tremendous faith in the philosophy of Jesus Christ. Just as I am not a Buddhist but take comfort in the teachings of the Buddha. I think I understand where your attitude comes from though. I have always rejected and reacted strongly to the hate, prejudice and moral tyranny that inconceivably emanates from the strongholds of established religion. Buddhism, I believe, being the exception to that rule. But I don't think that means we should reject the wisdom and guidance that the teachings provide. Nor should we dismiss those who practice their faith with an open heart as mere fools.
teenonfire4him77 said:Isnt this harsh? I am Christian, and yes there are plenty corrupt religions out there, including Christian Denominations. (hence why i am non-denominational Christian) But i don't appreciate being called a 'mere fool' for what i believe in.
You don't see people going around calling you a fool for not having any faith in Jesus.
And those that do, are wrong in doing so...for we have no right to judge, and neither do you.
I know you weren't personally attacking me or anyone else.mixedmedia said:Nor should we dismiss those who practice their faith with an open heart as mere fools.
teenonfire4him77 said:I know you weren't personally attacking me or anyone else.
is it just me? or does 'as mere fools' not say that people who practice their faith are fools?
Perhaps you could explain, cause I probably interpreted wrong then.
teenonfire4him77 said:Isnt this harsh? I am Christian, and yes there are plenty corrupt religions out there, including Christian Denominations. (hence why i am non-denominational Christian) But i don't appreciate being called a 'mere fool' for what i believe in.
You don't see people going around calling you a fool for not having any faith in Jesus.
And those that do, are wrong in doing so...for we have no right to judge, and neither do you.
kal-el said:Simple answer to this question. "God" does not exist. Nor does Santa Clause, or the Easter Bunny, Bigfoot, the Devil, etc. That's all mythology.
Alright.mixedmedia said:No that is not what I intended to say. But I suppose if you were looking for something to dispute you could interpret it that way. I mean to say that I have respect for people who adhere to the teachings of their faith. But that said, that I see in all faiths, except for Buddhism (and if someone has an example to show that I am wrong in this assumption, please do) those who distort and/or prioritize the teachings to serve their own biases or agendas. Perhaps mere fools was a poor choice of words. I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intention to imply that people of faith are fools.
128shot said:My standpoint says that god should be attacking India, they are pagans after all!
and how about those Africans?
I don't think this makes sense....
teenonfire4him77 said:Alright.
Your not the only one who is fed up with people who use their religion for their own personal gain, and distort texts to support it. ( I am personally speaking of Christianity)
It gives us true christians a bad reputation. Here is a song about a guy who is fed up too.
[1st Verse:]
Lord they really think they fooling you by coming to church on Sunday
Praying and laying hands on folks stomping and jumping around faking the holy ghost
but its a thin line between walking it and talking it
living it and giving it or just pretending it's alright
and did they really think that they could pull the wool over your eyes lord?
did they really think that by faking they were saved that they would get the same reward?
Chorus:
this be the realest thing I ever wrote for sure
after this a lot of folks wont like me no mo'
but after this I gotta go answer to you Lord
so I've made up my mind I'm a go to church on Sunday
and sing a song that may hurt somebody's feelings so that maybe
thy will, will be done
on earth as it is in heaven
and hopefully they will see
how much they really be discouraging a little old sinner like me
[2nd Verse:]
And Lord who they think they jiving by singing these songs full of glory
then out in the world it's a different story
I'm running out of people to pray for me
I'm not trying to act like I'm the perfect man
but if you speak about it, you should be about it not just preach about it all day
cause if you do you run the risk of chasing some of the most beautiful people away
and it is never my intention to discourage you rather encourage you to change your life today
[Chorus]
Its a messed up world.
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