The real issue is Israel (worse than Hamas)'s provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response

[Craig234]

When the US president wanted to start a war with Mexico, he declared a new border well inside Mexico and ordered US cavalry to the new 'border'. A few soldiers were seen by Mexican forces, and naturally there was a conflict. The president had his war - 'they attacked us!' - and the US stole half of Mexico.

This is common when a nation wants a war, to provoke a country to attack, to use that as justification for the war. Hitler launched a false flag operation in Poland to create justification to invade them, Britain sailed the Lusitania secretly loaded with munitions into a no-sail area to provoke Germany to attack it, Lincoln had Fort Sumter attacked, it's a very long list.

Netanyahu wants the US to fight his wars, and his biggest target is Iran. That's always been his primary effort to get the US into war with Iran. IMO, Israel (Worse than Hamas)'s egregious violation of international law to kill top Iranian generals bombing a consulate was a great escalation of that goal, intended to force Iran to respond and hope for an escalation that might draw the US into war.

That is the issue. Their provocation, their agenda to try to start a war. And the lack of international law being enforced to hold them accountable, with the US playing its usual role of enabling their criminality.

I would suggest that Iran's response - and we have strong intelligence they do not want a war - has been incredibly restrained, balancing the need for a response to the crime of their consulate being bombed and top generals assassinated, with a remarkably subdued response they knew can be defended against, with back channel communication to the US, which killed no one.

Now, of course, Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to continue the escalation - calling for an emergency UNSC meeting about the Iranian response, promising retaliation for the Iranian response trying to use it to further escalate while Iran showed great restraint saying they consider the situation closed.

It's clear what's going on, that Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to start a war, not least to 'change the narrative' away from its genocide in Gaza.

The question is whether the US will allow them to get away with it. The issue remains their illegal attack on the consulate and the lack of accountability for it.

Unfortunately, history suggests such a scheme often works. The president was never held accountable for his provocation to start a war with Mexico; the US simply took the land. It didn't matter the #1 issue for the new Republican Party was opposition to the war, that US Grant viewed it as the most unjust war in human history. It worked. Will Netanyahu's warmongering scheme work? It did for Iraq, until it backfired. Is Biden that much of a 'useful idiot'?

 

[Mycroft]

The real issue is Israel's provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response​

The argument can be made that it was Iran that provided the initial provocation with their support that enabled the Hamas attack on Israel last October. That means that Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate...and the killing of the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack...was a valid response.

In that light, this latest direct Iranian attack on Israel is not a response...it is an escalation.

 

[Apocalypse]

Why does Israel and the US kill Iranian generals, I wonder? Could it be that they're actively working to plot terror attacks through their proxies against the masses?
The IRGC is a terrorist organization. Their heads are treated accordingly.

 

[Mr Person]

The only way it's Israel's provocation is if you lie and pretend Iran never did anything before to Israel. In reality, Iran is constantly attacking Israel through it has been and since since 1948.

 

[j brown's body]

The real issue is Israel's provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response​

The argument can be made that it was Iran that provided the initial provocation with their support that enabled the Hamas attack on Israel last October. That means that Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate...and the killing of the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack...was a valid response.

In that light, this latest direct Iranian attack on Israel is not a response...it is an escalation.

With that logic, maybe Netanyahu should invade himself. He was quite the Hamas enabler.

 

[j brown's body]

One might want to keep in mind that war helps Netanyahu stay in power.

 

[Crunchtime]

When the US president wanted to start a war with Mexico, he declared a new border well inside Mexico and ordered US cavalry to the new 'border'. A few soldiers were seen by Mexican forces, and naturally there was a conflict. The president had his war - 'they attacked us!' - and the US stole half of Mexico.

This is common when a nation wants a war, to provoke a country to attack, to use that as justification for the war. Hitler launched a false flag operation in Poland to create justification to invade them, Britain sailed the Lusitania secretly loaded with munitions into a no-sail area to provoke Germany to attack it, Lincoln had Fort Sumter attacked, it's a very long list.

Netanyahu wants the US to fight his wars, and his biggest target is Iran. That's always been his primary effort to get the US into war with Iran. IMO, Israel (Worse than Hamas)'s egregious violation of international law to kill top Iranian generals bombing a consulate was a great escalation of that goal, intended to force Iran to respond and hope for an escalation that might draw the US into war.

That is the issue. Their provocation, their agenda to try to start a war. And the lack of international law being enforced to hold them accountable, with the US playing its usual role of enabling their criminality.

I would suggest that Iran's response - and we have strong intelligence they do not want a war - has been incredibly restrained, balancing the need for a response to the crime of their consulate being bombed and top generals assassinated, with a remarkably subdued response they knew can be defended against, with back channel communication to the US, which killed no one.

Now, of course, Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to continue the escalation - calling for an emergency UNSC meeting about the Iranian response, promising retaliation for the Iranian response trying to use it to further escalate while Iran showed great restraint saying they consider the situation closed.

It's clear what's going on, that Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to start a war, not least to 'change the narrative' away from its genocide in Gaza.

The question is whether the US will allow them to get away with it. The issue remains their illegal attack on the consulate and the lack of accountability for it.

Unfortunately, history suggests such a scheme often works. The president was never held accountable for his provocation to start a war with Mexico; the US simply took the land. It didn't matter the #1 issue for the new Republican Party was opposition to the war, that US Grant viewed it as the most unjust war in human history. It worked. Will Netanyahu's warmongering scheme work? It did for Iraq, until it backfired. Is Biden that much of a 'useful idiot'?

You cannot be serious, Bernie. Try again.

 

[MamboDervish]

When the US president wanted to start a war with Mexico, he declared a new border well inside Mexico and ordered US cavalry to the new 'border'. A few soldiers were seen by Mexican forces, and naturally there was a conflict. The president had his war - 'they attacked us!' - and the US stole half of Mexico.

This is common when a nation wants a war, to provoke a country to attack, to use that as justification for the war. Hitler launched a false flag operation in Poland to create justification to invade them, Britain sailed the Lusitania secretly loaded with munitions into a no-sail area to provoke Germany to attack it, Lincoln had Fort Sumter attacked, it's a very long list.

Netanyahu wants the US to fight his wars, and his biggest target is Iran. That's always been his primary effort to get the US into war with Iran. IMO, Israel (Worse than Hamas)'s egregious violation of international law to kill top Iranian generals bombing a consulate was a great escalation of that goal, intended to force Iran to respond and hope for an escalation that might draw the US into war.

That is the issue. Their provocation, their agenda to try to start a war. And the lack of international law being enforced to hold them accountable, with the US playing its usual role of enabling their criminality.

I would suggest that Iran's response - and we have strong intelligence they do not want a war - has been incredibly restrained, balancing the need for a response to the crime of their consulate being bombed and top generals assassinated, with a remarkably subdued response they knew can be defended against, with back channel communication to the US, which killed no one.

Now, of course, Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to continue the escalation - calling for an emergency UNSC meeting about the Iranian response, promising retaliation for the Iranian response trying to use it to further escalate while Iran showed great restraint saying they consider the situation closed.

It's clear what's going on, that Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to start a war, not least to 'change the narrative' away from its genocide in Gaza.

The question is whether the US will allow them to get away with it. The issue remains their illegal attack on the consulate and the lack of accountability for it.

Unfortunately, history suggests such a scheme often works. The president was never held accountable for his provocation to start a war with Mexico; the US simply took the land. It didn't matter the #1 issue for the new Republican Party was opposition to the war, that US Grant viewed it as the most unjust war in human history. It worked. Will Netanyahu's warmongering scheme work? It did for Iraq, until it backfired. Is Biden that much of a 'useful idiot'?

Your analogies fail. Our own country has had our embassies abroad attacked on numerous occasions, and we never responded by indiscriminately lobbing missiles into the countries that did it. Performing escalatio to all out war is not an appropriately measured response.

 

[oneworld2]

The real issue is Israel's provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response​

The argument can be made that it was Iran that provided the initial provocation with their support that enabled the Hamas attack on Israel last October. That means that Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate...and the killing of the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack...was a valid response.

In that light, this latest direct Iranian attack on Israel is not a response...it is an escalation.

Your commentary continues to be junk based on lack of knowledge, speculation and bias.

So, if you ever had any consistency you would support an Iranian attack on US soil/personnel. Or a Syrian attack on US soil/personnel. Or a Russian one. According to the US Iran knew nothing of the 7th October attack until it was underway, like most other actors, so how you have " the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack" as point is beyond belief lol.

Your supposition is built on bias and ignorance, again.

The first attack was carried out by Israel on Iranian land in Syria. Everyone understands that but you, apparently.

 

[Mycroft]

Your commentary continues to be junk based on lack of knowledge, speculation and bias.

So, if you ever had any consistency you would support an Iranian attack on US soil/personnel. Or a Syrian attack on US soil/personnel. Or a Russian one. According to the US Iran knew nothing of the 7th October attack until it was underway, like most other actors, so how you have " the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack" as point is beyond belief lol.

Your supposition is built on bias and ignorance, again.

The first attack was carried out by Israel on Iranian land in Syria. Everyone understands that but you, apparently.

shrug...

Two can play this game.

If you think Iran had nothing to do with the Hamas October attack on Israel, then you are being willfully blind and it is likely that you support Iranian backed terrorism in the Middle East.

You are dismissed.

 

[What if...?]

The real issue is Israel's provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response​

The argument can be made that it was Iran that provided the initial provocation with their support that enabled the Hamas attack on Israel last October. That means that Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate...and the killing of the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack...was a valid response.

In that light, this latest direct Iranian attack on Israel is not a response...it is an escalation.

Or even further back when bibi fomented the rise of Hamas as a counter to fatah which was making too much progress towards a two state solution.

 

[Craig234]

We should remember reports that Iran told the US if they condemned the bombing of their consulate, that could prevent the need for a response; the US refused. That Iran was careful in planning a minimal response, with the communication to the US, resulting in an attack that killed no one. And that their statement specifically cited waiting 13 days while nothing was done about the bombing of their consulate.

 

[Craig234]

The wheels are in motion. Israel (Worse than Hamas) promises more aggression against Iran. The US promises to support them. Iran understandably promises more aggression will result in much larger responses. What would prevent the escalation? It looks like nothing - Biden could but appears to refuse to. And Gaza is quickly forgotten, as Netanyahu also wants.

 

[Craig234]

Supporting my point about Iran's great restraint:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/middleeast/iran-israel-attack-drones-analysis-intl/index.html

 

[Craig234]

Reportedly, Netanyahu asked Biden to participate in an attack on Iran, and Biden refused, further confirming the OP.

 

[Credence]

The real issue is Israel's provocation attack on the Iranian consulate, not the response​

The argument can be made that it was Iran that provided the initial provocation with their support that enabled the Hamas attack on Israel last October. That means that Israel's attack on the Iranian consulate...and the killing of the Iranian General who coordinated and directed the Hamas attack...was a valid response.

In that light, this latest direct Iranian attack on Israel is not a response...it is an escalation.

The problem with that is that Netanyahou supported Hamas right up until a few weeks before the attack all because, like him, they did not want a two state solution and it backfired. He also knew about the impending Hamas attack almost a year before it happened and yet ignored the wanrings. Why did it take hours to rescue people that were hiding? They should have been on the scene a lot sooner than they were as soon as those concert goers were attacked. Also why did he bomb the consultate in Syria; obviously IMO it was to escalate tensions and involve the US.

Netanyahou has blood on his hands too. JMHO

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces​

Gazans celebrate by a destroyed Israeli tank at the broken Israel-Gaza border fence, east of Khan Younis, October 7, 2023. (AP/Yousef Masoud)

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
<snipped>

Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Crunchtime]

Reportedly, Netanyahu asked Biden to participate in an attack on Iran, and Biden refused, further confirming the OP.

The nuclear issue in Iran has always been in play. It appears that it might come to the forefront soon. Israel has always been the designated tool by which Iran will be humbled and dealt with because they insist on being a nuclear state. Biden is a puppet.

 

[Juin]

When the US president wanted to start a war with Mexico, he declared a new border well inside Mexico and ordered US cavalry to the new 'border'. A few soldiers were seen by Mexican forces, and naturally there was a conflict. The president had his war - 'they attacked us!' - and the US stole half of Mexico.

This is common when a nation wants a war, to provoke a country to attack, to use that as justification for the war. Hitler launched a false flag operation in Poland to create justification to invade them, Britain sailed the Lusitania secretly loaded with munitions into a no-sail area to provoke Germany to attack it, Lincoln had Fort Sumter attacked, it's a very long list.

Netanyahu wants the US to fight his wars, and his biggest target is Iran. That's always been his primary effort to get the US into war with Iran. IMO, Israel (Worse than Hamas)'s egregious violation of international law to kill top Iranian generals bombing a consulate was a great escalation of that goal, intended to force Iran to respond and hope for an escalation that might draw the US into war.

That is the issue. Their provocation, their agenda to try to start a war. And the lack of international law being enforced to hold them accountable, with the US playing its usual role of enabling their criminality.

I would suggest that Iran's response - and we have strong intelligence they do not want a war - has been incredibly restrained, balancing the need for a response to the crime of their consulate being bombed and top generals assassinated, with a remarkably subdued response they knew can be defended against, with back channel communication to the US, which killed no one.

Now, of course, Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to continue the escalation - calling for an emergency UNSC meeting about the Iranian response, promising retaliation for the Iranian response trying to use it to further escalate while Iran showed great restraint saying they consider the situation closed.

It's clear what's going on, that Israel (Worse than Hamas) is trying to start a war, not least to 'change the narrative' away from its genocide in Gaza.

The question is whether the US will allow them to get away with it. The issue remains their illegal attack on the consulate and the lack of accountability for it.

Unfortunately, history suggests such a scheme often works. The president was never held accountable for his provocation to start a war with Mexico; the US simply took the land. It didn't matter the #1 issue for the new Republican Party was opposition to the war, that US Grant viewed it as the most unjust war in human history. It worked. Will Netanyahu's warmongering scheme work? It did for Iraq, until it backfired. Is Biden that much of a 'useful idiot'?

Excellent analysis

 

[Juin]

With that logic, maybe Netanyahu should invade himself. He was quite the Hamas enabler.

lol good one

 

[oneworld2]

The only way it's Israel's provocation is if you lie and pretend Iran never did anything before to Israel. In reality, Iran is constantly attacking Israel through it has been and since since 1948.

lol

Israel has been assassinating people in Iran for years and everyone knows it except for you, apparently.

The Shah of Iran was one of the first leaderships from a predominantly Islamic population to recognize the state of Israel. Iran also aided Israels oil supply during the 6 Day War period and its leadership clamped down on Iranians that tried to raise financial support for the Palestinian people.

All of that was in the post 1948 period so your commentary above is clearly based on ignorance of the reality.

 

[oneworld2]

shrug...

Two can play this game.

Anyone can play the " I'll talk from a position of ignorance" game, I choose not to but your commentary confirms you are proficient at it. Highly proficient lol

If you think Iran had nothing to do with the Hamas October attack on Israel, then you are being willfully blind and it is likely that you support Iranian backed terrorism in the Middle East.

Your claim was, IIRC, that Iranians helped to "direct and co ordinate the Hamas attack" yet you have provided nothing to support this claim,correct? I say you haven't because you just made it up out of thin air to try to bolster your ridiculous positions

You are dismissed.

Your commentary is the only thing worthy of dismissal due to its fantasist nature in service of your own preferred bias.

 

[Juin]

The first attack was carried out by Israel on Iranian land in Syria. Everyone understands that but you, apparently.

Exactly. Was there a point to the assault on the Iranian consulate in Syria? It is hard to see it as motivated by mere assassination. The nature of the location was bound to, or maybe intended to resonate way beyond the targets themselves.

Good to see you after your long absence. Hope it was a pleasant one.

 

[oneworld2]

Reportedly, Netanyahu asked Biden to participate in an attack on Iran, and Biden refused, further confirming the OP.

He also asked Trump to attack Iran

Netanyahu urged Trump to attack Iran after he lost the presidency — report

General Mark Milley said to have battled against former US president's push for a missile strike, facing down his 'circle of Iran hawks,' including VP Pence and the then-Israeli PM

www.timesofisrael.com

But the denialists here are always going to try to blame Iran, just like they deny the Gazan genocide. There are as many genocide deniers here as there are likely to be seen in the ranks of the Stormfront membership

 

[Michael Cole]

The problem with that is that Netanyahou supported Hamas right up until a few weeks before the attack all because, like him, they did not want a two state solution and it backfired. He also knew about the impending Hamas attack almost a year before it happened and yet ignored the wanrings. Why did it take hours to rescue people that were hiding? They should have been on the scene a lot sooner than they were as soon as those concert goers were attacked. Also why did he bomb the consultate in Syria; obviously IMO it was to escalate tensions and involve the US.

Netanyahou has blood on his hands too. JMHO

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces​

Gazans celebrate by a destroyed Israeli tank at the broken Israel-Gaza border fence, east of Khan Younis, October 7, 2023. (AP/Yousef Masoud)

For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.
<snipped>

Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Regardless of Netanyahu's intent, which I don't doubt for a second, infusions of cash into Gaza were to help the Gazan people. Hamas was the elected government. That Hamas redirected this aid to their own ends is not Netanyahu's fault. Whether he could have stopped it is another question, but I'm not going to criticize anyone for sending financial aid to impoverished Gazans.

 

[oneworld2]

Exactly. Was there a point to the assault on the Iranian consulate in Syria? It is hard to see it as motivated by mere assassination. The nature of the location was bound to, or maybe intended to resonate way beyond the targets themselves.

Good to see you after your long absence. Hope it was a pleasant one.

Imo the attack on the consulate was to create the conditions for the Iranian response, I mean it's no secret that the Israelis have been working towards an Israeli/US war /attack against Iran for years.

Cheers for the kind words, getting away from genocide deniers is always a pleasant experience. DPs membership has truly shown it colours over this imo and it ain't pretty. They used to have groups here and was was called " DP no place for Nazis" and that seems to ring hollow considering the support for Ukrainian Nazis and the Gazan genocide deniers that infest the place.