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The real Che Guevara

Guevara was a “synthesis of pathological sadism and fundamentalist extremism.” The French writer Regis Debray, author of "Revolution in the revolution", wrote about the Che that: "He was adept of the totalitarianism up to the last body hair.” Che impulsive cruel behavior inflicted physical and psychological pain on others to assert his power. He literally interpreted the Marxism doctrine and engaged in arm struggle to enforce it.
 
According to Vargas Llosa in his book “The Killing Machine: Che Guevara, from Communist Firebrand to Capitalist Brand,” wrote “Che Guevara, who did so much (or was it so little?) to destroy capitalism, is now a quintessential capitalist brand.” All types of merchandise bearing Che face or name are marketed by big corporations and small businesses.
 
Che became a pop culture icon, the patron saint of progressives who wear his picture. Among them, he became a symbol of countercultural rebellion against capitalism. But in an ironic twist of history, Che owes his posthumous pop culture success to old-fashioned property rights.
 
Che failed at everything he attempted. The Che myth has been created by the Left, but only the hard core lefties, the so call “Progressives” and those ignorant of history would glorify him. History will condemn him for his actions.
 
5 inconvenient truths about Che Guevara
5 inconvenient truths about Che Guevara | Fox News

By Maxim Lott | Fox News
Published February 18, 2019

T-shirts featuring Cuban revolutionary Che Guevara have never really gone out of style. Rapper Jay-Z has worn the shirt, model Gisele Bundchen has posed in swimwear featuring Che's face, and even Prince Harry was photographed in Che garb in his younger years.

Multiple Hollywood films glorify the Argentina-born Cuban revolutionary, transforming him over the decades into somewhat of a pop-culture fixture – whose face still symbolizes for many the fight against the supposed capitalist machine, at a time when socialism is picking up renewed popularity in America.

TOP 5 FAILED SOCIALIST PROMISES

But Guevara's fans might not be aware of just what their idol did and said. Here’s a look back at the history.

Guevara said he killed people without regard to guilt or innocence

In 1962, the official Cuban newspaper Revolución reported that Guevara said, “in times of excessive tension we cannot proceed weakly. At the Sierra Maestra, we executed many people by firing squad without knowing if they were fully guilty. At times, the Revolution cannot stop to conduct much investigation; it has the obligation to triumph.”
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Romanticize books, articles by the main stream media and Hollywood films about Che Guevara, have created a false narrative about his life, which have lead many young people to see him as a hero. Of course they do not have a clue of who really he was, what he did and said. Che was a thug, murderer, sadist monster, corroborated by “exposing the facts based on his writings, diaries, speeches, letters and conversations with those who knew him.” (Cuba: Che Guevara: The Fish Die by the Mouth)

Until Andy Garcia made The Lost City, not one film has depicted the mass killings of the Castro regime, let alone Hollywood darling Che Guevara coldly executing unarmed prisoners.
 
Guevara was a mass murderer

Che in a letter to his father referring to this execution wrote: "I'd like to confess, papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing." He killed the rural guide Eutimio Guerra, describing it in his diary, “I ended the problem giving him a shot with a 32 (caliber) pistol in the right side of the brain, with exit orifice in the right temporal. He gasped for a little while and was dead. Upon proceeding to remove his belongings I couldn’t get off the watch tied by a chain to his belt, and then he told me in a steady voice farther away than fear: “Yank it off, boy, what does it matter…. I did so and his possessions were now mine.”

Che toll to Duke Ortega, head of La Cabaña's tribunals: "What one need to know is if it is necessary to shoot him. Nothing more. You should always give the accused the possibility to do his discharge before executing him. And this means, understand me well, that the accused should always be executed, without mattering which has been his discharge. Make no mistake about this. Our mission doesn’t consist in giving procedural guarantees to anyone, but to make the revolution, and we must begin by the same procedural guarantees.”

He was absolutely merciless and willing to encourage mass murder as a mean to his end of a communist revolution. “What we affirm is that we must proceed along the path of liberation even if this costs millions of atomic victims.”

Socialism is a secular, civic religion for leftists. Che was a little Stalin. A poster boy for Antifa. Now we know where Antifa gets their inspiration. I wondered how young Americans idolize a man who wanted to launch a preemptive nuclear strike on their homeland.

The imposition of a socialist state always end with mass murders, intolerance, mass poverty and crime and awful quality of life.
 
Che Guevara Homophobia

Che, the radical left symbol, was a homophobe.

Che Guevara, the killing machine

Álvaro Vargas Llosa, The New Republic, 11/7/2005, excerpts.

Che played a principal role in setting up Cuba's first labor camp in the Guanahacabibes region in western Cuba in 1960-1961, to confine people who had committed no crime punishable by law, revolutionary or otherwise. This "crimes" involved drinking, vagrancy, disrespect for authorities, laziness and playing loud music. Che defended that initiative in his own words: “We only send to Guanahacabibes those doubtful cases where we are not sure people should go to jail. I believe that people who should go to jail should go to jail anyway.”]

This camp was the precursor to the eventual systematic confinement, starting in 1965 in the province of Camagüey, of dissidents, homosexuals, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Afro-Cuban priests, and other such scum, under the banner of UMAP, Unidades Militares de Ayuda a la Producción, or Military Units to Help Production. Herded into buses and trucks, the “unfit” would be transported at gunpoint into concentration camps organized on the Guanahacabibes mold. Some would never return; others would be raped, beaten, or mutilated; and most would be traumatized for life, as Néstor Almendros's wrenching documentary Improper Conduct showed the world a couple of decades ago.

This type of forced confinement without due process was also applied to AIDS victims during the decade of the 80s and 90s.
 
Che Guevara despise the free press

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In a truly free society, people are allowed the freedom of expression. With this freedom of expression comes freedom of speech, press, and dissent. Che spoke openly with José Pardo Llada, a Cuban journalist, and told Llada, “We must eliminate all newspapers; we cannot make a revolution with free press.”

Having an open dialogue about different opinions was not an option in the “free Cuba.” Che’s fanaticism even infected his personal relationships—he only made friends with those who were like-minded: “My friends are friends only so long as they think as I do politically.”.” What a truly despicable fascist and trashy human being he was.
 
The racism of Che Guevara - First Part

Che Guevara was a racist, homophobic and mass murdered. He was "a living, breathing instrument" of racism.

Quotes from the book “The Motorcycle Diaries: Notes on a Latin America Journey” by Che Guevara: “The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing, have seen their territory invaded by a new kind of slave: the Portuguese.

The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.”


During his first journey through Latin America he shows his racial bias towards dark skinned women. Waiting for a ship that will take them to Easter Island he wrote: “Easter Island… there to have a white boyfriend is an honor for the females. There, work, what hope, the women do it all, and one eats, sleeps and keeps them content.”

During his stay in Costa Rica in 1953. He wrote:: “I stayed outside with a young black woman that I picked up, Socorro, more whore that the hens, with 16 years on her back.” Guevara makes his contempt for women clear and his latent social resentment is made evident once more time.
 
The racism of Che Guevara – Second Part

Miguel Sanchez, el "Coreano", responsible of the military instruction of Castro’s Granma expeditionary force in Mexico in 1956, affirmed that “Che always had problems with the blacks and despised them just like the Indians of Mexico", to which he referred as “the illiterate Indians of Mexico.” Che shows his racist face again.

During a 1959 press conference whit Luis Pons, a prominent Cuban black, asked Che Guevara, what the revolution planed on doing to help blacks. Che answered: “We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”

On 1965, during the war on the Congo where his was in charge of the guerrilla, he wrote in his diary that the Congolese were not revolutionary and were satisfied with their lot. He continually pointed to a lack of leadership amongst the Congolese and incompetence of the fighters, complaining about their terrible disorganization. Certainly those are racists statements.

On June 19, 1967, in reference to the Bolivian peasants, he wrote in his diary “the inhabitants one must hunt them to be able to speak with them because they are like little animals.” Genius and figure right up to the grave.

The justification that Che was young and immature doesn’t cut it anymore. As we can see from his behavior, he was a racist person through and through all his life.
 
Che Guevara was full of himself

Here’s a look back at the history. He was an extremely vain person, without substance, extremely rude, cold and heartless, intentionally deceptive and full of himself as many famous movie star. Cuban children begin their classes each day with the following chant: “Pioneers for Communism, we will be like Che.” As Bert Corzo wrote in Che Guevara The Fish Die by the Mouth, “They will be then the new men; fanatics, liars, assassins and failed men, reaching the total realization of being like Che.…Che was fanatical, dogmatic, spiteful, envious, arrogant, proud, a liar, racist, devoid of morals, mercenary and homophobic, a bloodthirsty murderer, a cold killing machine, that the fanaticism of the left has turned into a hero.”
 
Your Che Guevara shirt celebrates a bloodthirsty maniac
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/your-che-guevara-shirt-celebrates-a-bloodthirsty-maniac

I’m not going to deny that Guevara doesn’t look great in a beret and Thriller jacket. All I take issue with is his sociopathic love of mass murder

Tristin Hopper
February 12, 2020

As you know, in recent years it’s become quite improper to parade this around in polite company. And for good reason; this is the battle flag of a country that enshrined human bondage in its constitution, and then got six hundred thousand people killed in a war to defend said constitution. And then, more recently it became the emblem of white nationalists opposed to legal equality for black Americans. So yeah; sorry Confederate flag, but two strikes and you’re out.

But what if I told you about another beloved pop culture symbol that celebrates tyranny and oppression, but somehow nobody cares about? That’s right: This one. T-shirts featuring a photo of Che Freaking Guevara. Now, I’m not going to deny that Guevara doesn’t look great in a beret and Thriller jacket. All I take issue with is his sociopathic love of mass murder. What’s that, you forgot that a violent revolutionary might have an unhealthy relationship with murder? Well, buckle up, hipsters. There’s no other way to put this: Che Guevara really liked killing people. To the point where his diary contained exhortations to his love of smelling the “blood of the enemy.”
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It is very sad that nowadays Che Guevara is still seen as a hero by the lefties. People who think communism is cool and try to selling it by calling it “democratic socialism”, ignoring the millions of death that it has caused, for some twisted romantic vision justify people like Che Guevara a cold-blooded killing machine.
 
It is very sad that nowadays Che Guevara is still seen as a hero by the lefties. People who think communism is cool and try to selling it by calling it “democratic socialism”, ignoring the millions of death that it has caused, for some twisted romantic vision justify people like Che Guevara a cold-blooded killing machine.
And still yet; half of all Democrats still deny that their Party has now gone total Marxist...
 
We had the Bolivians shoot Che like he was a dog.
 
No doubt Progressives/Regressives love Che Guevara. Given the opportunity they would act like him. He was a psychopath through and through. Progressives have a very sick sense of humor. Like him, they are great admirers of genocides such as Joseph Stalin, the sadistic communist tyrant of the USSR, responsible for the death of 20 million people. (https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/...ays-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html)
 
We had the Bolivians shoot Che like he was a dog.
Hopefully the day will come when the Marxist Threat dies forever; creating a world free of war and tyranny, where humanity can finally live in peace, harmony, prosperity and safety.
 
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Thanks to Che's own testimonials, his thoughts and his deeds, we now know exactly how deluded so many of our contemporaries are about him. Those who worship Che aren’t rebels or peace activists. They are dupes furthering the destructive legacy of collectivism and the mayhem it has brought the world over.

Che's legacy in Cuba is one neighbor spying on another, high suicide rates, and a generation of young Cubans risking their lives on rafts in the Florida Straits rather than continue to live under a despotic government. Che's true legacy is simply one of terror and murder.
 
In a truly free society, people are allowed the freedom of expression. With this freedom of expression comes freedom of speech, press, and dissent. Che spoke openly with José Pardo Llada, a Cuban journalist, and told him, “We must eliminate all newspapers; we cannot make a revolution with free press.”

Having an open dialogue about different opinions was not an option in the “free Cuba.” Che’s fanaticism even infected his personal relationships, he only made friends with those who were like-minded: “My friends are friends only so long as they think as I do politically.” No doubt antifa national socialist activist are like-minded too.
 
Ernesto Che Guevara, the myth of the good partisan who proved not to be so
https://aldianews.com/articles/cult...myth-good-partisan-who-proved-not-be-so/61009
The statues of Conquerors and Slavers are not the only ones to be vandalized. Now it's the revolutionaries' turn.

By Beatriz García

October 28, 2020

In the middle of October, the city of Leganes, in Madrid (Spain), awoke to a change in its landscape that many of sleepy neighbors didn't notice.

The bust of Argentine guerrilla Ernesto Che Guevara, who together with Fidel Castro made the so-called Cuban Revolution, was covered with tape.

Immediately, three Spanish artists, Omar Jerez, Julia Martinez and Aritz Martin, claimed credit for the feat.

They had done it as part of a political performance, an action they called "criminal whitewashing," which they released with a video on YouTube.

The artists asked themselves: "Is Ernesto Che Guevara the most whitened character in history?"
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Che Guevara is the most bleached character in history. In the video "Criminal Whitening" the artists exercise a critical and direct reflection on the existing distortion around the mythical figure of "Che": the construction of the false myth and the dichotomy between reality and made up.
 
“The statues of Conquerors and Slavers are not the only ones to be vandalized. Now it's the revolutionaries' turn.” A homage bust to a murderer, homophobic and racist in the Madrid town of Leganés. Whitening of the false myth, a quid pro quo. Fidel Castro magnified him to the point that today many people have him as a saint and do not know that he was an s.o.b.
 
In the education system of the Castroit regime Cuban children begin their classes each day with the following chant: “Pioneers for Communism, we will be like Che.” As Bert Corzo wrote: “They will be then the new men; fanatics, liars, assassins and failed men, reaching the total realization of being like Che.…Che was fanatical, dogmatic, spiteful, envious, arrogant, proud, a liar, racist, devoid of morals, mercenary and homophobic, a bloodthirsty murderer, a cold killing machine, that the fanaticism of the left has turned into a hero.”
 
Bolivia Honored The Soldiers Who Killed Che Guevara And Issued A Warning To “Cubans, Venezuelans And Argentines”
Bolivia honored the soldiers who killed Che Guevara and issued a warning to "Cubans, Venezuelans and Argentines" (tv6.news)

Adam Horton | October 10, 2020

53 YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH, THE INTERIM PRESIDENT ÁÑEZ SAID THAT “THE COMMUNIST, FASCIST OR POPULIST DICTATORSHIP HAS NO WAY HERE.”

Bolivia’s interim president, Jeanine Áñez, led an act of tribute to the military who killed Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara on October 9, 1967 in La Higuera. They executed him after capturing him with a leg injury.

“The lesson that we Bolivians gave to the world, with the defeat and death of Che Guevara in Bolivia, is that the communist dictatorship here has no way, neither the communist nor the fascist nor the populist, “said Añez during the ceremony, which was convened for the 53rd anniversary of Che’s death.

In the tribute they remembered the 47 Bolivian soldiers who fell during the confrontations prior to the capture and execution of Guevara. It was during the presidency of the military René Barrientos Ortuño, who came to power with a military coup and in 1966 was ratified in office by constitutional means.
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Good job by Bolivia's military forces in the capture and execution of the psychopath Che Guevara, a serial killer, a racist that held blacks in contempt, a homophobic gay basher that created a concentration camp for homosexuals with the sign Work will make you men at the entrance, anti-Semite, which oversaw execution squads, burned book, had contempt for women and for those who listened to rock music. From bourgeois’ birth, the son of a well-off doctor, he signed thousands of death sentences, in addition to enjoying murdering hundreds of freedom fighters with his own hands, which wrote to his father: I have to confess to you, dad, that at that moment I discovered that I really like to kill.” Most lefties considered him a secular saint, someone to be revered and emulated.

Excerpt from Che Guevara: The Fish Die by the Mouth: “They will be then the new men; fanatics, liars, assassins and failed men, reaching the total realization of being like Che.”
 
Jon Lee Anderson wrote about Che Guevara capture in his biography: “When they were a few feet away, a short, sturdy highland Indian named Sergeant Bernardino Huanca, broke through the brush and pointed his gun at them. He claimed later that Che told him: ‘Do not shoot! I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead’.

Che only was able to beg for his life, he didn’t know to die like a man, like the 14 years old boy he killed at La Cabaña that said to him: “If you're going to kill me you're going to have to do it the way you kill a man, standing, not like a coward, kneeling.”
 
Dariel Alarcon (Benigno), who fought with Che in Sierra Maestra and Congo, was part of Che guerilla in Bolivia, and indeed fought to his last bullet in Bolivia, one of the few that manage to escaped, said that Che always emphasized, “Never surrender,” Che always stressed. “Never, never!” He drilled it into us almost every day of the guerrilla campaign. “A Cuban revolutionary cannot surrender! Save your last bullet for yourself!”

Che didn’t fight until the last bullet, as he demanded from his subordinates, who fulfilled the order and gave their lives in pursuit of an impossible and foreign illusion. What a whimper of a man he was.
 
Capitan Gary Prado, commander of the battalion that capture Che Guevara, in his book “La Guerrilla Inmolada”, says that when Che was surrounded by the patrol, he came out from the brush and said ‘Do not shoot! I am Che’, dropped his gun and surrendered. Che was slightly wounded in the lower calf, and walked helped by my soldiers. I confiscated everything he had in his pockets and rucksack, including some money and his diaries. Che was totally resigned and offered no resistance. As we walked, Che said to me: ‘I’m more use to you alive than dead.’ Che was clearly worried about what was going to happen to him.
 
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