The Push To Repeal The 14th Ammendment

[Ancient Herald]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment

WASHINGTON -- In the fall of 2010, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), one of the most hawkish anti-immigrant voices in Congress, launched a legislative campaign to end the scourge of "anchor babies," as he called them.

The target was the 14th Amendment, which grants everyone born in the United States of America the right of citizenship. The Iowa Republican saw something more nefarious: a scheme by those outside the country (Hispanics, specifically) to get a foothold in the country by coming here and having a child. And so he debuted a bill to end birthright citizenship, which he has continued to introduce in subsequent sessions.

It was highly controversial then and remains so. The latest version, introduced in the 114th Congress, has just 27 co-sponsors.

But the push does have support in the high ranks of the Republican Party. And if this week is any indication, it may be on the path toward becoming a part of the GOP's immigration platform.

Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

 

[blaxshep]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

Huh? Conservative homosexuals? What the hell is that?

 

[Redress]

Huh? Conservative homosexuals? What the hell is that?

We have had a couple here at DP. They do exist.

 

[Lutherf]

I never cease to be amazed at how so many on the left can read the 2nd Amendment as applying solely to the Militia because that term is in the text but then read the 14th Amendment without any consideration to the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

-edit-

WTH? I guess I should have read the whole post. How the hell did we go from immigration to gay marriage all in one post?

 

[blaxshep]

We have had a couple here at DP. They do exist.

Like a four leaf clover. :wow:

 

[earthworm]

I think that ANY proposed bill that has but 27 out of , how many ? , co-sponsors should be trashed and the trash burned for its heat value ....

 

[betuadollar]

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 outlawed homosexual immigration; my question is, what homosexuals?

Is that what the right truly believes? Hell no, the right loves truth. And it believes GOD loves homosexuals. If God did not, he wouldn't have created them.

That said, it's a living document; rewrite it.

 

[blaxshep]

I never cease to be amazed at how so many on the left can read the 2nd Amendment as applying solely to the Militia because that term is in the text but then read the 14th Amendment without any consideration to the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

If they read the 2nd like they read the 14th, gun ownership would be an entitlement program.

 

[TurtleDude]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

its not repealing the 14th amendment. Its getting rid of an idiotic interpretation of the 14th amendment. That being, children should take no greater citizenship rights than the woman who bears them. this has nothing to do with gay rights

 

[Redress]

Like a four leaf clover. :wow:

Nah. A far number of gay people are conservative. Kinda embarrassed about it at times, but that is just who they are.

 

[Redress]

I never cease to be amazed at how so many on the left can read the 2nd Amendment as applying solely to the Militia because that term is in the text but then read the 14th Amendment without any consideration to the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

-edit-

WTH? I guess I should have read the whole post. How the hell did we go from immigration to gay marriage all in one post?

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can turn any thread into a thread about guns...

And you seem clueless about liberals, which is somehow not surprising.

 

[earthworm]

I never cease to be amazed at how so many on the left can read the 2nd Amendment as applying solely to the Militia because that term is in the text but then read the 14th Amendment without any consideration to the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

-edit-

WTH? I guess I should have read the whole post. How the hell did we go from immigration to gay marriage all in one post?

The base is similar .. interpretation ..

 

[Lutherf]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can turn any thread into a thread about guns...

And you seem clueless about liberals, which is somehow not surprising.

You're jumping on the bandwagon a little early there, amigo. My comment was with regard to the reading and interpretation of the Constitution, not so much about guns.

 

[Chomsky]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

*bolded for reference

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Huh?

The GOP may alienate the LGBT community?

Surely, you jest ...

 

[blaxshep]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can turn any thread into a thread about guns...

And you seem clueless about liberals, which is somehow not surprising.

I think liberals mean well and they don't "want" the road to hell they paved with their good intentions, they are just delusional that their utopian ideas can apply to reality. As long as humans exist, and until we wipe ourselves form existence, along with the majority of the other species, we will never be equal, there will always be racism and hatred and those that horde enough for a thousand lifetimes while millions die from the lack of a bowl of rice. We will breed like vermin and pollute the air, land and sea until the Earth is uninhabitable for any of us ... all in the name of profits.

.... and that's just my optimism talking.

 

[TurtleDude]

Nah. A far number of gay people are conservative. Kinda embarrassed about it at times, but that is just who they are.

I suspect lots of prosperous gay people don't like the bible thumpers who infect the GOP but they are against the tax hiking, gun banning, anti military attitudes of some on the left


I guess it comes down to what are the most important issues in your life and given the way the courts are going, the GOP bible thumping wing is not going to be able to do much to hurt gays. However, if your issues also include less government intrusion into the marketplace, or gun rights etc, the Democrat party still has lots of ability to intrude in those areas.

I have a very close friend I first encountered on a board like this 10 years ago or so. She hated Bush and we'd go on and on. It turns out we agreed ON EVERY major issue. She was anti tax, pro gun, pro choice. She just couldn't stand the paternalistic anti choice wing of the GOP since she is the mother of two (now) adult girls. so her emphasis was on that issue

 

[clownboy]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

Actual homosexuals comprise maybe 2-3% of the population. Not to mention, the 14th doesn't need to be repealed. Congress can pass a bill clarifying it's meaning to the original.

 

[Ancient Herald]

*bolded for reference

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Huh?

The GOP may alienate the LGBT community?

Surely, you jest ...

No. I do not. Sometimes i do joust though. Sorry light joke. Here is the pertinent information for you:

Supreme Court rules in favor of marriage equality | MSNBC

 

[Ancient Herald]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Ancient Herald]

Actual homosexuals comprise maybe 2-3% of the population. Not to mention, the 14th doesn't need to be repealed. Congress can pass a bill clarifying it's meaning to the original.

There are three hundred and eighteen million people in America.

That's still several million votes there. And sometimes it doesn't take much to swing the election.

 

[gdgyva]

I suspect lots of prosperous gay people don't like the bible thumpers who infect the GOP but they are against the tax hiking, gun banning, anti military attitudes of some on the left


I guess it comes down to what are the most important issues in your life and given the way the courts are going, the GOP bible thumping wing is not going to be able to do much to hurt gays. However, if your issues also include less government intrusion into the marketplace, or gun rights etc, the Democrat party still has lots of ability to intrude in those areas.

I have a very close friend I first encountered on a board like this 10 years ago or so. She hated Bush and we'd go on and on. It turns out we agreed ON EVERY major issue. She was anti tax, pro gun, pro choice. She just couldn't stand the paternalistic anti choice wing of the GOP since she is the mother of two (now) adult girls. so her emphasis was on that issue

sounds like my wife

stay out of bedroom issues and telling women what they can and cant do

other than those she is a staunch conservative

 

[jonny5]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 15th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

I couldnt find the word REPEAL in that article other than in the made up headline. Nowhere did they quote anyone suggesting repealing the entire 14th amendment. Rather, many people want to amend it to remove "geographical location of birth" from it.

 

[jonny5]

Actual homosexuals comprise maybe 2-3% of the population. Not to mention, the 14th doesn't need to be repealed. Congress can pass a bill clarifying it's meaning to the original.

How so? It literally says if youre born in the US, youre a citizen. Unless of course youre using the jursidiction defense. Then I suppose they could clarify what "subject to jurisdiction" means.

 

[Phys251]

Both Trump and the GOP want to Repeal the 14th Amendment of the American Constitution.

Trump wants to end illegal immigration. The GOP wants to change citizenship because of Obama and his citizenship.


Here is but one article:

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment



Now, this will only go to shoot themselves in the foot. here's why:

The 14th Amendment is what allowed homosexuals to get married by the recent Supreme Court decision.

That's millions of homosexuals that won't vote for them, and they just might alienate the other conservative homosexuals from them too.

I can't see this gaining any kind of footing.

Many conservatives practically worship two Amendments--the 2nd and the 10th--and despise most if not all of the rest. Particularly the 1st, 4th-9th, 13th-17th, 19th, 23rd, and 24th.

P.S. I fixed the first line of your post. I think you meant to say 14th, not 15th. Though I would not put it past them to try to repeal that one, too.

 

[Ancient Herald]

I couldnt find the word REPEAL in that article other than in the made up headline. Nowhere did they quote anyone suggesting repealing the entire 14th amendment. Rather, many people want to amend it to remove "geographical location of birth" from it.

Ending birthright citizenship is basically repealing the fourteenth, I believe. I might be mistaken. Of course, it it's completely rewritten to something entirely different using entirely different wording and language, then that pretty much ends it anyway.