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I discuss historical things highly dispassionately. And without letting my own personal beliefs color or influence things.
I see almost no similarities between the men. I was hoping you could draw some parallels between them for me. In terms of policy.
What made a Nazi a Nazi? It was the common enemy, the capitalist Jew who pulled the strings.
If the economy was privatized in name only, how could we define Nazi Germany as anything but socialistic? Just do me a favor I want to go through this one more time.
I do not have a great understanding of German history prior to Hitler, that is correct. But, other than a heavy battleship named in honor of the prior by the latter, I see almost no similarities between the men. I was hoping you could draw some parallels between them for me. In terms of policy. So far I'm from what I'm seeing a case could be made that they were both nationalistic? That's about it as far as I can tell. Both were from completely different walks of life.
If Hindenburg was a Socialist, I would absolutely love to see something to support that claim. It seems more like a fantasy to me.
Dear god man, how do you suck so bad at reading comprehension?
We were talking about Bismark, not Hindenburg. And no, before you rush to pump out another long winded oratory, my argument is not that Bismark was a socialist.
I mean for God's sake Iron_Merc even says "But, other than a heavy battleship named in honor of the prior by the latter"
The only naval vessels Germany named after Hindenburg were an icebreaker, a 1917 battlecruiser, and a renamed liner.
What do you think of Hitler being a "teary eyed" sentimentalist to Benito Mussolini? Would Hitler favor Bismark policy over Mussolini in your book? Because it sure doesn't seem that way.
Would Hitler favor a historically popular and immensely well regarded German figure over an Italian? Yes, obviously.
You have failed to prove any meaningful connection between Hitler and Bismarck.
Mussolini was a socialist, right? He did get along pretty well with Hitler, wouldn't you say?
I'll make it as easy as I can for you....
NAZI =/= SOCIALIST
I can repeat it as many times as you ask the question....
One or more socialist programs or concepts does not make a regime Socialist.
In your opinion, what attributes does a nation need to have in order to be considered socialist? You do understand Hitler had a very negative view of capitalism, right?
I'll make it as easy as I can for you....
NAZI =/= SOCIALIST
I can repeat it as many times as you ask the question....
One or more socialist programs or concepts does not make a regime Socialist.
Hitler had negative view of Socialists. That's why he jailed them early on.
In your opinion, what attributes does a nation need to have in order to be considered socialist? You do understand Hitler had a very negative view of capitalism, right?
And yes, in many ways Lincoln was a Socialist.
You have failed to prove any meaningful connection between Hitler and Bismarck.
In your opinion, what attributes does a nation need to have in order to be considered socialist? You do understand Hitler had a very negative view of capitalism, right?
They were Socialists.
@ thread OP....Hitler stated in his autobiography 'Mein Kempf' he 'Was a Roman Catholic who was doing the Lord's work" by committing his atrocities during the Holocaust.
No they were not.
Nazi 25 point program, you have to explain how these are not socialist ideals...
7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
25. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: "The good of the community before the good of the individual".[13] ("GEMEINNUTZ GEHT VOR EIGENNUTZ"
Thx
I was under the impression that minorities including the religious, Christians, etc were chopped up by his war machine as well? I was under the impression that Hitler (in his later life) was an atheist, can anyone confirm this? Redbarron, Oozelfinch? We really do need to talk about his faith as I see this is a key component to driving Hitler's actions. Although not as key as his hate for the Jewish people.
Oozle - we are going to have to talk about this in detail. I have it on good authority that Lincoln was in fact diametrically opposed to socialism. Shall we talk about his faith in God and how that influenced his views on politics? Or we can do that later.
Its very important to understand Lincoln as the definitive conservative of his day. Without this critical understanding an accurate perception of American politics to follow is not possible. You don't think the act of "freeing the slaves" was a move made by socialist, do you?
I was under the impression that Hitler (in his later life) was an atheist, can anyone confirm this?
Lincoln and Marx wrote a great many letters back and forth. And do not forget, at the time the Republicans were the "Radical Revolutionary Liberal" party.
If you think Lincoln was a Conservative, you need to look into him a bit more. He was far from a Conservative.
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