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The political, religious and ideological views that drove Hilter and the Nazi regime

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In contemplation of modern thought and theory, Hitler is often seen as a very evil character. From the attempted extermination of the entire Jewish race to the rise of eugenics and a pure Aryan race, Hitler was a driven man who inspired an entire nation - a nation that could have easily dominated the entire world had the United States not stepped in at the 11th hour.

My question is very simple. What was Hitler and the Nazi regime all about? What drove Hitler to commit such in-human acts? Such acts of barbarity? Can we even classify them using the modern spectrum of left right politics? Or for that matter, the modern interpretation of conserverative vs liberal?

So, to keep this simple lets just get some information on the table before we drill down with specifics. Please present your own personal theory as to the politics, theology and ideology of Hitler, and then your theory as to the ideology and philosophy and economy of the nation state of Germany (at that time). Back up your suppositions with facts if at all possible. :)

Looking forward to a great debate!

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In contemplation of modern thought and theory, Hitler is often seen as a very evil character. From the attempted extermination of the entire Jewish race to the rise of eugenics and a pure Aryan race, Hitler was a driven man who inspired an entire nation - a nation that could have easily dominated the entire world had the United States not stepped in at the 11th hour.

My question is very simple. What was Hitler and the Nazi regime all about? What drove Hitler to commit such in-human acts? Such acts of barbarity? Can we even classify them using the modern spectrum of left right politics? Or for that matter, the modern interpretation of conserverative vs liberal?

So, to keep this simple lets just get some information on the table before we drill down with specifics. Please present your own personal theory as to the politics, theology and ideology of Hitler, and then your theory as to the ideology and philosophy and economy of the nation state of Germany (at that time). Back up your suppositions with facts if at all possible. :)

Looking forward to a great debate!

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Why? Are you trying to get your homework done?
 

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Why? Are you trying to get your homework done?
My guess is It's another of those interminable attempts to key on the word 'socialist' in NSDAP and drop Hitler and the Nazis in the lap of the left. I've even seen one of the lunatic-fringe rightists say the Nazis were liberals.
 

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My guess is It's another of those interminable attempts to key on the word 'socialist' in NSDAP and drop Hitler and the Nazis in the lap of the left. I've even seen one of the lunatic-fringe rightists say the Nazis were liberals.
Hitler knew what buttons to push....

The "Jews Bad" card played to the Anti-Semites.

The "Communists Evil" played to the centrists and right wing.

The "Christian duty" card played to the Christians.

The "Socialist" card played to the left of center folks....

Of these the Jew and the Communist cards were the only ones that were true to Hitler's core beliefs..
 

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My guess is It's another of those interminable attempts to key on the word 'socialist' in NSDAP and drop Hitler and the Nazis in the lap of the left. I've even seen one of the lunatic-fringe rightists say the Nazis were liberals.
OP labeled Hitler a socialist in another thread; I responded that Hitler was a SINO. It didn’t register....
 

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In contemplation of modern thought and theory, Hitler is often seen as a very evil character. From the attempted extermination of the entire Jewish race to the rise of eugenics and a pure Aryan race, Hitler was a driven man who inspired an entire nation - a nation that could have easily dominated the entire world had the United States not stepped in at the 11th hour.
The Russians might disagree on that.

My question is very simple. What was Hitler and the Nazi regime all about? What drove Hitler to commit such in-human acts? Such acts of barbarity? Can we even classify them using the modern spectrum of left right politics? Or for that matter, the modern interpretation of conserverative vs liberal?

So, to keep this simple lets just get some information on the table before we drill down with specifics. Please present your own personal theory as to the politics, theology and ideology of Hitler, and then your theory as to the ideology and philosophy and economy of the nation state of Germany (at that time). Back up your suppositions with facts if at all possible. :)

Looking forward to a great debate!

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The Russians might disagree on that.



Theory? There's no need to theorize, the historical facts were in decades ago. All you're trying to do now is revise and distort the historical facts to suit your partisan ideology.
Few Americans know or understand that Russia had begun to turn back Hitlers armies before Pearl Harbor....
 

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Few Americans know or understand that Russia had begun to turn back Hitlers armies before Pearl Harbor....
I don't think the war could've been won without them.

But they were just as brutal to Jews as Hitler was. See: pogrom.
 

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Few Americans know or understand that Russia had begun to turn back Hitlers armies before Pearl Harbor....

IMO, the “turn” didn’t begin until late 1942. Up until that time things were still moving east.


Moscow wasn’t decided until mid 1942.
 

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I don't think the war could've been won without them.

But they were just as brutal to Jews as Hitler was. See: pogrom.
...and the Russians were just as brutal to the Germans as the Germans had been to them; hard to call”uncle” after the way the Germans moved into Russia in June 1941.



Hitler’s hubris and lack of attention to fairly recent history doomed the Nazis. Didn’t workout for the French a little more than a century before....
 
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...and the Russians were just as brutal to the Germans as the Germans had been to them; hard to call”uncle” after the way the Germans moved into Russia in June 1941.



Hitler’s hubris and lack of attention to fairly recent history doomed the Nazis. Didn’t workout for the French a little more than a century before....
Yeah, those Russian winters are a bitch.
 

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I don't think the war could've been won without them.

But they were just as brutal to Jews as Hitler was. See: pogrom.
Pogroms were pre-Revolution.

Jews were over represented in early Soviet years.

Later most under Stalin prominent Jews were purged along with intellectuals (of which many were Jews)....

Post Stalin Jews and Christians were equally oppressed.
 

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Pogroms were pre-Revolution.

Jews were over represented in early Soviet years.

Later most under Stalin prominent Jews were purged along with intellectuals (of which many were Jews)....

Post Stalin Jews and Christians were equally oppressed.
If Stalin was purging Jews then obviously the pogroms continued well after WW2.

What do you mean the Jews were "over represented?"
 

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If Stalin was purging Jews then obviously the pogroms continued well after WW2.

What do you mean the Jews were "over represented?"
Stalin was an equal opportunity purge monster... While the pogroms targeted Jews.

There were X percent of Jews in total popution... More than X percent of Jews in early Bolshevik/Soviet government.

The early head of KGB, and Trotsky, etc.
 

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If Hitler was a liberal, he would have loved black people and gays.
 

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Hitler had this to say:

In this respect we can look to the future with confidence. Germany is an immense factor in world economy, not only as a producer but also as a consumer. We certainly have a great market for our goods. But we are not only seeking markets; we are also the greatest buyers. The Western world wants, on the one hand, to live upon its empires and, on the other hand, to export from its empires as well. That is impossible because in the long run the nations cannot carry on one-sided trade. They not only have to buy, but also have to sell. They can sell nothing to these empires. The peoples will therefore trade with us in the future, regardless of whether this happens to suit certain bankers or not. Therefore we will not establish our economic policy to suit the conceptions or desires of bankers in New York or London....

AND THIS

Their convictions are formed, of course, just as everywhere else. The decisive question is who enlightens the people, who educates them? In those countries, it is actually capital that rules; that is, nothing more than a clique of a few hundred men who possess untold wealth and, as a consequence of the peculiar structure of their national life, are more or less independent and free. They say: 'Here we have liberty.' By this they mean, above all, an uncontrolled economy, and by an uncontrolled economy, the freedom not only to acquire capital but to make absolutely free use of it. That means freedom from national control or control by the people both in the acquisition of capital and in its employment. This is really what they mean when they speak of liberty. These capitalists create their own press and then speak of the 'freedom of the press.'

Lets play a little game called fill in the blank

National _________ German Workers' Party

Sounds a little like he opposes capitalism, wouldn't you say?
 

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In contemplation of modern thought and theory, Hitler is often seen as a very evil character. From the attempted extermination of the entire Jewish race to the rise of eugenics and a pure Aryan race, Hitler was a driven man who inspired an entire nation - a nation that could have easily dominated the entire world had the United States not stepped in at the 11th hour.

My question is very simple. What was Hitler and the Nazi regime all about? What drove Hitler to commit such in-human acts? Such acts of barbarity? Can we even classify them using the modern spectrum of left right politics? Or for that matter, the modern interpretation of conserverative vs liberal?

So, to keep this simple lets just get some information on the table before we drill down with specifics. Please present your own personal theory as to the politics, theology and ideology of Hitler, and then your theory as to the ideology and philosophy and economy of the nation state of Germany (at that time). Back up your suppositions with facts if at all possible. :)

Looking forward to a great debate!

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According to Hitler, in his own words in Mein Kampf ( Hitler's autobiography )....Hitler was a Catholic who believed he was 'doing the Lord's work" by committing his atrocities.
 

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LOL good one.

I've only been debating online for two days, cut me a little slack guys!
How long have you been debating offline before you decided to do it online, if at all ?
 

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My guess is It's another of those interminable attempts to key on the word 'socialist' in NSDAP and drop Hitler and the Nazis in the lap of the left. I've even seen one of the lunatic-fringe rightists say the Nazis were liberals.
So I'm assuming you think Hitler would fall on the right side of the political spectrum? So change my mind!

I'm interested to see what evidence you have of this. Honestly, I'll try to be as objective as possible.

Even if we don't agree we can still learn from each other and grow in understanding and knowledge.
 

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How long have you been debating offline before you decided to do it online, if at all ?
I have not talked politics with anyone (online or offline) for the past 2 years. Most of my personal debating one on one began approximately 6 months before the election and ended shortly after said election. My guy obviously won :)

I started picking up right where I left off about a month ago after a friend and I got into it (Trump vs the Left, etc) via email. That got me fired up again, so here I am!
 

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LOL good one.

I've only been debating online for two days, cut me a little slack guys!
You didn't answer my very reasonable question. Otherwise, I have no idea what you'd find here that you wouldn't find in any other textbook about the subject. Oh dang it, here comes that homework thing again... Can't seem to escape it while giving you the benefit of the doubt as the most innocent reason.
 

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Stalin was an equal opportunity purge monster... While the pogroms targeted Jews.

There were X percent of Jews in total popution... More than X percent of Jews in early Bolshevik/Soviet government.

The early head of KGB, and Trotsky, etc.
Pogroms targeted minorities....but mostly Jews. So did Stalin. The Great Purge was still mostly Jews.

Russia's Jewish population never reached more than 30%. But today, it's only about 1.2%.
 

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...and the Russians were just as brutal to the Germans as the Germans had been to them; hard to call”uncle” after the way the Germans moved into Russia in June 1941.



Hitler’s hubris and lack of attention to fairly recent history doomed the Nazis. Didn’t workout for the French a little more than a century before....
It did work out quite nicely for Kaiser Wilhelm, which was far more recent history than the Napoleonic Wars.

Then you had the truly pathetic display the Russians put on during the Winter War, which was even more recent
 
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