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Yeah, those Russian winters are a bitch.
In contemplation of modern thought and theory, Hitler is often seen as a very evil character. From the attempted extermination of the entire Jewish race to the rise of eugenics and a pure Aryan race, Hitler was a driven man who inspired an entire nation - a nation that could have easily dominated the entire world had the United States not stepped in at the 11th hour.
My question is very simple. What was Hitler and the Nazi regime all about? What drove Hitler to commit such in-human acts? Such acts of barbarity? Can we even classify them using the modern spectrum of left right politics? Or for that matter, the modern interpretation of conserverative vs liberal?
So, to keep this simple lets just get some information on the table before we drill down with specifics. Please present your own personal theory as to the politics, theology and ideology of Hitler, and then your theory as to the ideology and philosophy and economy of the nation state of Germany...
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So it seems to me Hitler is effectively merging Marxism with Nationalism.
Indeed, but the Russians did use their severe winters as part of their planned attack against the German invaders at Stalingrad...just like did in 1812 against the French. The similarities between the two wars is uncanny. Both the French and German armies planned for a spring summer campaign to invade Russia. Both under estimated the Russians. Both times the Russians brilliantly planned, attacked and routed the foreign invaders in the dead of winter and both times it changed the tide of a major world war.It wasn't just the winter. By the time of Stalingrad Hitler had over-extended supply lines to the front to such an extent that his armies, specifically the 6th under Gen. Paulus, were running out of ammunition and other vital supplies. After Paulus' surrender and the capture of over 250,000 German troops it was pretty much over for Nazi Germany from that point onwards. After Barbarossa Germany was on the defensive for the rest of the war.
Few Americans know or understand that Russia had begun to turn back Hitlers armies before Pearl Harbor....
No, not really. By that time all they had been able to accomplish was to block the Germans from entering Moscow. Leningrad had already been destroyed, and their advances on all other fronts into the Soviet Union continued. They were continuing to advance deep into the Central and Southern areas, and did not even reach Stalingrad until August 1942.
Turning back the Germans in a single small area is hardly "turning back Hitler's armies". That would not actually come until early 1943.
National _________ German Workers' Party
Sounds a little like he opposes capitalism, wouldn't you say?
We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens.
All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
So it seems to me Hitler is effectively merging Marxism with Nationalism.
[/FONT]Few Americans know or understand that Russia had begun to turn back Hitlers armies before Pearl Harbor....
No, not really. By that time all they had been able to accomplish was to block the Germans from entering Moscow. Leningrad had already been destroyed, and their advances on all other fronts into the Soviet Union continued. They were continuing to advance deep into the Central and Southern areas, and did not even reach Stalingrad until August 1942.
Turning back the Germans in a single small area is hardly "turning back Hitler's armies". That would not actually come until early 1943.
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You're not very accurate either.
The ideology of the Nazi Party was born out of almost no relation to the teachings of Marx that would be attempted by the Bavarian Soviet Republic or the USSR.
This is a perfect example of what I had stated. To far to many (especially on the Left), "Socialist", "Marxist", and "Communist" are all the same thing. They are completely unable to grasp the concept that Socialism existed before Marx did his scribblings, and he is the one that changed the definition of what it was. Now they all slobberishly follow that as "True Socialism", and utterly reject any other forms it might take.
How old? Well, in Germany the Social Democratic Party dates all the way back to 1863.
In fact, in 1912 it held the majority position in the German Reichstag. However, in the wake of WWI it fractured, with both the Far-Right and Far-Left segments breaking away to form their own splinter groups, and the main organization becoming increasingly Marxist.
Of course the beliefs of Hitler had nothing to do with Marx, they were simply Socialist, with complete rejection of Marx's "Internationalist" beliefs. "Classic" Socialism does not mandate a revolution to improve the situation for the workers. It also does not demand that corporations dissolve, nor that monarchies be overthrown and that rule be taken up by the workers. That is the mistake that people keep making over and over again, and their inability to recognize anything other than Marxism as Socialism is why they always fail to understand this basic fact.
...Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto in 1848, 15 years before the "Allgemeiner Deutscher Arbeiterverein", the predecessor to the Social Democratic Party of Germany, was formed.
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Their "National Socialism" was nothing but co-opted buzz words intended to provide mass appeal.
Which is why their official Party platform reads like a Socialist tract.
Which is why their official Party platform reads like a Socialist tract.
Sorry, this is utterly pointless. "Oh, they were not Socialist. They were only pretending to be Socialist" is a boring, worn-out excuse that Leftists have been using for decades now. And you keep using the exact same words in repetition, basically repeating yourself. Making the claim it was all a lie, it was not Socialism, and it was to keep people away from "actual Socialists", by which you obviously mean Marxists.
You are so absorbed in the belief that only Marxists are Socialists, and your eyes are completely blinded by this. So there is no reason to continue this.
If you think about it, The NAZI's ACTIONS speak louder than any words. Genocide, murder, thought control, control of the media, secret police, racial profiling, eugenics, family planning, abortion and forced sterilization, anti-god, anti religion, etc and its that moment you realize these attributes of the Nazis are all basic fundamentals of socialism 101.
I don't think you actually grasp Nazism at all.
So why don't you tell us what the Nazis where all about.
I mean I already did.
The Nazis were not inspired by any degree of socialism that most people would identify with. It was inspired by Prussian idealism and Bismarkian politics, all of which were in direct opposition to traditional socialist ideals.
The actual policies of the Nazi Party once in power were driven entirely by the desire to remarm and expand German borders through military conquest. Thus the Nazis were willing to embark on whatever means possible to achieve this, hence why they adopted both right wing (the term "privatization" comes from the description of Nazi economic policies) and left wing policies in order to achieve this goal. Ultimately Nazi Germany was not a socialist state; its economy remained dominated by privately owned industrial conglomerates, while it also sharply avoided capitalist excess which it saw as a sign of Jewish banker influence.
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