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The political fallout form the Coronavirus

Grim17

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Just before the coronavirus hit the US, and even with the impeachment trial in full gear, President Trump was in pretty good shape headed toward the election in November. I'm not saying he was a sure winner, but the impeachment trial was a dud and the economic numbers were definitely in his favor. The arrival of coronavirus changed everything. At first, I think everyone would agree that from a political perspective it could only serve as a negative for Trump's chances at being reelected. It was clear from the outset that not only was the virus going to lead to 10's of thousands of deaths, maybe even millions, it was going to be a devastating blow to our economy that would negatively impact millions of families financially.

It was clear to me back in April, that the longer the number of infection and deaths continued to increase, and the longer we were forced to remain in lock down, the more the odds increased that America's next president would be a democrat. From a political perspective, regardless of whether you're on the left or right, I don't think there was any other logical way of seeing it. It was a rare, unique crisis from a political standpoint, because for the most part, it wasn't something that could be spun or manipulated politically like say a war or foreign conflict could. There was of course the normal back and forth about whether or not the federal government response was correct and appropriate, but that time has passed and I don't either side gained anything from those arguments.

Now here we are in the middle of May and the situation both medically and politically has shifted. From a medical standpoint, although the numbers are still high, we are seeing infections and deaths from the virus declining nationwide. As a result our attention is no longer on the federal government's initial response, our focus is now on the individual state governments who are faced with the responsibility of deciding how they will move forward from here. It's strictly up to the Governors and state representatives to decide what they feel is best for the people of their state, and I believe those decisions are not only going to have huge impact on the November elections, but could result in the greatest political shift America has seen in generations.

I believe that people will go to the polls in the upcoming election and instead of assigning responsibility or blame for their personal situation on the party controlling the oval office, they will assign it to the party controlling their state and vote accordingly. I'm not saying that's how everyone will vote, because there will always be party loyalists who will vote republican and democrat no matter what. But I do think this will be a deciding factor for independent voters, who as we all know are the ones who decide elections.

It's going to basically come down to the decisions made by states on dealing with the coronavirus, and whether those decisions are viewed months from now as being correct or not. As you can see by the map below, the states that have completely reopened and never went on full lock down to begin with are republican controlled, and with only 1 exception, the states still on complete lock down are democrat controlled.

lockdown_map.webp

Come November, people are going to decide whether more government control, or less government control is what they want... and for once they are going to decide this practically, having lived it and seen it's effects on others, not theoretically and based on how it looks on paper.

It is for this reason that I'm excited about the upcoming election, because I believe that when the American people actually experience and see with there own eyes, the true effects of each political philosophy, it could change the political landscape in this country for generations... and I'm betting it will be freedom that prevails.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/grim17/1639-political-fallout-coronavirus.html
 
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Trump is perhaps America's greatest disaster. Thanks, Putin.
 
Just before the coronavirus hit the US, and even with the impeachment trial in full gear, President Trump was in pretty good shape headed toward the election in November. I'm not saying he was a sure winner, but the impeachment trial was a dud and the economic numbers were definitely in his favor. The arrival of coronavirus changed everything. At first, I think everyone would agree that from a political perspective it could only serve as a negative for Trump's chances at being reelected. It was clear from the outset that not only was the virus going to lead to 10's of thousands of deaths, maybe even millions, it was going to be a devastating blow to our economy that would negatively impact millions of families financially.

It was clear to me back in April, that the longer the number of infection and deaths continued to increase, and the longer we were forced to remain in lock down, the more the odds increased that America's next president would be a democrat. From a political perspective, regardless of whether you're on the left or right, I don't think there was any other logical way of seeing it. It was a rare, unique crisis from a political standpoint, because for the most part, it wasn't something that could be spun or manipulated politically like say a war or foreign conflict could. There was of course the normal back and forth about whether or not the federal government response was correct and appropriate, but that time has passed and I don't either side gained anything from those arguments.

Now here we are in the middle of May and the situation both medically and politically has shifted. From a medical standpoint, although the numbers are still high, we are seeing infections and deaths from the virus declining nationwide. As a result our attention is no longer on the federal government's initial response, our focus is now on the individual state governments who are faced with the responsibility of deciding how they will move forward from here. It's strictly up to the Governors and state representatives to decide what they feel is best for the people of their state, and I believe those decisions are not only going to have huge impact on the November elections, but could result in the greatest political shift America has seen in generations.

I believe that people will go to the polls in the upcoming election and instead of assigning responsibility or blame for their personal situation on the party controlling the oval office, they will assign it to the party controlling their state and vote accordingly. I'm not saying that's how everyone will vote, because there will always be party loyalists who will vote republican and democrat no matter what. But I do think this will be a deciding factor for independent voters, who as we all know are the ones who decide elections.

It's going to basically come down to the decisions made by states on dealing with the coronavirus, and whether those decisions are viewed months from now as being correct or not. As you can see by the map below, the states that have completely reopened and never went on full lock down to begin with are republican controlled, and with only 1 exception, the states still on complete lock down are democrat controlled.

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Come November, people are going to decide whether more government control, or less government control is what they want... and for once they are going to decide this practically, having lived it and seen it's effects on others, not theoretically and based on how it looks on paper.

It is for this reason that I'm excited about the upcoming election, because I believe that when the American people actually experience and see with there own eyes, the true effects of each political philosophy, it could change the political landscape in this country for generations... and I'm betting it will be freedom that prevails.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/grim17/1639-political-fallout-coronavirus.html

I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Texas and Florida should be on lock down. I don't know why South Carolina and Georgia are opening up; the should be on partial lock down at least.

States like Wyoming and Montana can open up.
 
Puti Pu says "You aint seen noting nyet." :moon:

Putie is going broke. You think Syria, Ukraine, Libya and Venezuela was stretching 10% of US military budget? Let's see on covid. Moscow burns today.
 
Just think if the President actually handled the crisis well and took it seriously in the early stages instead of ignoring it for February and having a clown show reposnse in March going into April how much better his reelection chances would be.
 
Putie is going broke. You think Syria, Ukraine, Libya and Venezuela was stretching 10% of US military budget? Let's see on covid. Moscow burns today.

I do hope they have plenty of weiners to roast.
 
Why did Trump declare a national emergency? I know all them bad men made him dood it...

The stock market tanked in Feb and the national emergency was in March.. Notice that the worst of the damage was done by March?
 
I wouldn't hold my breath.

I understand your disagreement with my conclusion, but do you think the decisions by each state will be a factor in the upcoming elections, and if so, to what degree?

I ask this of every poster thus far, because not one of you have actually addressed it.
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Come November, people are going to decide whether more government control, or less government control is what they want... and for once they are going to decide this practically, having lived it and seen it's effects on others, not theoretically and based on how it looks on paper.

Come November, the corrupt/criminal/dysfunctional administration of Trump will be gone and the Senate flipped.

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It was clear to me back in April, that the longer the number of infection and deaths continued to increase, and the longer we were forced to remain in lock down, the more the odds increased that America's next president would be a democrat.

Yeah, what were the odds that people would want somebody different in charge after the last guy mismanaged a health crisis that resulted in over a hundred thousand deaths?
 
I understand your disagreement with my conclusion, but do you think the decisions by each state will be a factor in the upcoming elections, and if so, to what degree?

I ask this of every poster thus far, because not one of you have actually addressed it.
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They will factor. How much? Who knows? My guess is not as much as people would hope. Unless this goes on till June or July or August or longer, if thats the case depending on the virus then there may well be a major backlash and Trump is guaranteed to stoke it.
 
I wouldn't hold my breath.

Don't interrupt their fantasy, they will get their wakeup call soon enough. Sadly for the true believers in the orange One once he is past bad history they may never regain ration thought capabilities, not that some had much to begin with.
 
Putie is going broke. You think Syria, Ukraine, Libya and Venezuela was stretching 10% of US military budget? Let's see on covid. Moscow burns today.

That went right over your head. Maybe next time. :ninja:
 
Yeah, what were the odds that people would want somebody different in charge after the last guy mismanaged a health crisis that resulted in over a hundred thousand deaths?

Can you do anything but spew Trump hatred?

I made a serious post about the effect the coronavirus will have on the upcoming elections, and all you and every other leftist have done is prove your inability to have a rational discussion. I don't give a crap about whether you agree or not with my conclusion, but you could at least address the actual topic.

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Can you do anything but spew Trump hatred?

Yeah, I hate a guy whose incompetence, negligence and malevolence resulted in over a hundred thousand dead Americans. Imagine that.
 
Don't interrupt their fantasy, they will get their wakeup call soon enough. Sadly for the true believers in the orange One once he is past bad history they may never regain ration thought capabilities, not that some had much to begin with.

:fyi: I support Trump.
 
That went right over your head. Maybe next time. :ninja:

Russia recently cut state pensions. Its military is absurdly overstretched. Putie murdering millions would not be a surprise. We'll see. He might KGB up and deal with it. Maybe he dealt with it. Who knows; he's competent. Doesn't look like it though.
 
They will factor. How much? Who knows? My guess is not as much as people would hope. Unless this goes on till June or July or August or longer, if thats the case depending on the virus then there may well be a major backlash and Trump is guaranteed to stoke it.

What did you mean by that?

It seems you have just said that more government control (aka longer lockdowns) will be a positive for republicans?

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