The Perils of religion [W:1129]

[blackjack50]

Re: The Perils of religion

Xianity is a litany of lies, hatred, bigotry and violence.

"Many of the so-called elect of God were murderers, adulterers, deceivers, liars, and sensualists. A good god would have exterminated them instead of innocent children to the third and fourth generations."

Summary of the Reasons Why Reasoning People Discard Religion

Says the guy espousing hatred, bigotry, lies, and of course...wanting to impose violence upon people not guilty of anything other than having faith in one particular religion.

Hypocrisy thy name is...


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[calamity]

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Xianity is a litany of lies, hatred, bigotry and violence.

"Many of the so-called elect of God were murderers, adulterers, deceivers, liars, and sensualists. A good god would have exterminated them instead of innocent children to the third and fourth generations."

Summary of the Reasons Why Reasoning People Discard Religion

Christianity at its core is not half bad. A religion espousing forgiveness and redemption by doing good deeds is a far cry from evil. The problem is the Christians. Too many of them take it to the realm of self-righteous arrogance, and they put too much value on the belief in their God and His Son instead of focusing on forgiving others and doing those good deeds.

 

[blackjack50]

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Christianity at its core is not half bad. A religion espousing forgiveness and redemption by doing good deeds is a far cry from evil. The problem is the Christians. Too many of them take it to the realm of self-righteous arrogance, and they put too much value on the belief in their God and His Son instead of focusing on forgiving others and doing those good deeds.

Don't you mean the "people?" Because then you just described most organizations with good intentions and poor track records.

I will say that certain denominations are better at certain things with us Christians. My church is not as good at mission work, but we allow gay marriage and membership. We do better with not ostracizing members based on political beliefs. We allow discussion. We encourage it.


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[Patrickt]

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Some people attend relatively normal churches and find companionship and relief from their fear of death. Well, not total relief. They still fight hard to avoid "going home to Jesus".

Then there are the others. The Christian Identity Churches might be considered at the extreme. They hate most but blacks and Jews are their favorites. Others preach hatred of Catholics. My ex-wife's church was contemptuous of everyone who wasn't in their church.

In the interest of disclosure, I am a atheist and have been for 65 years. I have no problem with religion in moderation. Like most things, in excess it is bad. For what it's worth, I think knocking on my door, disturbing me to make yourself feel good is not moderation.

 

[Realitywins]

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Please show the source of this claim. Can you show it's true? Can you provide a non-biased source with accurate data?

Huh? Why? The religious make much more outrageous claims and are not held to any such standard of proof.:lamo

 

[Realitywins]

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Says the guy espousing hatred, bigotry, lies, and of course...wanting to impose violence upon people not guilty of anything other than having faith in one particular religion.

Hypocrisy thy name is...


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:lamo When facts become hatred, bigotry and lies in the eye of of the faithful, one then knows they are without any substantial arguments.

 

[Realitywins]

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No you don't. You go where you can bitch and moan about other people's faith as if it is some kind of affront to you. Pretty sad really.


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Hitting home eh? I know facts are an affront to the religious.

 

[Realitywins]

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From the Denver Post:

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber. “We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

“Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall. Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy

So, the greatest source of pedophilia in history whine "It ain't so" and you choose to believe that? Small wonder so many people get suckered in by scams.

 

[Fenton]

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:lamo When facts become hatred, bigotry and lies in the eye of of the faithful, one then knows they are without any substantial arguments.

The irony of this post.....it burns.

 

[Realitywins]

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The irony of this post.....it burns.

Don't worry, there is no hell.

 

[nota bene]

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Hitting home eh? I know facts are an affront to the religious.

Such a silly generalization. I celebrate science, and I like facts a lot.

What I'm curious about is why you seem to be so angry. So many of your comments are so needlessly insulting and over-the-top. What are you hoping to accomplish? I ask because I just don't see the point.

 

[nota bene]

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So, the greatest source of pedophilia in history whine "It ain't so" and you choose to believe that? Small wonder so many people get suckered in by scams.

What a strange (and dishonest) response to my Denver Post post, which references an important study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and discusses what insurance companies say about clergy abuse.

 

[Fenton]

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So, the greatest source of pedophilia in history whine "It ain't so" and you choose to believe that? Small wonder so many people get suckered in by scams.

If all Catholics and the Catholic church in its entirety are guilty of pedophilia because Catholic Priest committed heinous acts then it stands to reason that all Atheist are guilty of mass genocidal murder, right ??


Killing Fields
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Fields

How Many People Did Joseph Stalin Kill?
How Many People Did Joseph Stalin Kill?

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years
Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | The Independent

The Genocidal murders responsible for the death of close to a hundred million people shared your views on Religion so that makes you complicit, right. And I thought you said you were a " good person " ???

 

[Realitywins]

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Such a silly generalization. I celebrate science, and I like facts a lot.

What I'm curious about is why you seem to be so angry. So many of your comments are so needlessly insulting and over-the-top. What are you hoping to accomplish? I ask because I just don't see the point.

Few religious folks appreciate facts where it relates to showing their religious beliefs are false and unfounded. I can only assume you are basically a person easily and often angered. Why else project anger upon me? There is none at this keyboard. I find religious folks usually accuse someone who challenges their beliefs of being angry. If you find something insulting, that is your choice, not anything I said.

 

[Realitywins]

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What a strange (and dishonest) response to my Denver Post post, which references an important study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and discusses what insurance companies say about clergy abuse.

...and was done FOR the catholic church. Read the first page. As I said earlier ya gets what ya pays for and the church certainly got their money's worth.

 

[Realitywins]

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If all Catholics and the Catholic church in its entirety are guilty of pedophilia because Catholic Priest committed heinous acts then it stands to reason that all Atheist are guilty of mass genocidal murder, right ??


Killing Fields
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Fields

How Many People Did Joseph Stalin Kill?
How Many People Did Joseph Stalin Kill?

Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years
Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | The Independent

The Genocidal murders responsible for the death of close to a hundred million people shared your views on Religion so that makes you complicit, right. And I thought you said you were a " good person " ???

Yawn. Another dead horse being needlessly flogged.

 

[blackjack50]

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Some people attend relatively normal churches and find companionship and relief from their fear of death. Well, not total relief. They still fight hard to avoid "going home to Jesus".

Then there are the others. The Christian Identity Churches might be considered at the extreme. They hate most but blacks and Jews are their favorites. Others preach hatred of Catholics. My ex-wife's church was contemptuous of everyone who wasn't in their church.

In the interest of disclosure, I am a atheist and have been for 65 years. I have no problem with religion in moderation. Like most things, in excess it is bad. For what it's worth, I think knocking on my door, disturbing me to make yourself feel good is not moderation.

Anyone can take things to the extreme. And that is never good. Well said.


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[nota bene]

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Few religious folks appreciate facts where it relates to showing their religious beliefs are false and unfounded. I can only assume you are basically a person easily and often angered. Why else project anger upon me? There is none at this keyboard. I find religious folks usually accuse someone who challenges their beliefs of being angry. If you find something insulting, that is your choice, not anything I said.

Your rhetoric is angry and frequently insulting. If you hope to persuade others to see your point of view, it's counterproductive.

 

[blackjack50]

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:lamo When facts become hatred, bigotry and lies in the eye of of the faithful, one then knows they are without any substantial arguments.

You can have your own opinions. You can't have your own facts.

Your bigotry and lies and hatred is all shown when you accuse me and other members of Christian churches of pedophilia because of the actions of individuals...you have exposed yourself. That is extremism. And I expect it isn't long till you start demanding we
Go to jail for it.


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[Fenton]

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Don't worry, there is no hell.

What there isn't is any semblance of objectivity and integrity in your emotionally fueled rants. AGAIN, there are more productive and private ways of dealing with issues like yours. For example, instead of bragging about attending some fictitious protest over religion and pedophilia, ( " I spend a lot of time on line protesting pedophiles and religion. So I am not out on the street. If I were, I am quite confident I wouldn't see you there '' ) you could contact a professional who could then teach you coping mechanisms for how to deal with repressed anger and rage.

 

[blackjack50]

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Hitting home eh? I know facts are an affront to the religious.

Facts? What facts? That you hate religion and religious folks and have no qualms about being as bigoted as possible towards people who have religion...so much so that you would accuse us of crimes we didn't commit? The only problem here is that you actually believe your extremist bull****. And that is SCARY. Scary from a psychological standpoint.


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[Realitywins]

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Your rhetoric is angry and frequently insulting. If you hope to persuade others to see your point of view, it's counterproductive.

Such things are more accurately found in the eye and the ear of the beholder. I simply present the facts about religious beliefs. The religious get upset about their faiths being shown false and so deny and ignore both facts and history.

 

[Realitywins]

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Facts? What facts? That you hate religion and religious folks and have no qualms about being as bigoted as possible towards people who have religion...so much so that you would accuse us of crimes we didn't commit? The only problem here is that you actually believe your extremist bull****. And that is SCARY. Scary from a psychological standpoint.


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I hate religion period. You continually choose to mis-report what I said and that is possibly because you are scared. Scared of an imaginary being and terribly scared I am right.

 

[Realitywins]

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What there isn't is any semblance of objectivity and integrity in your emotionally fueled rants. AGAIN, there are more productive and private ways of dealing with issues like yours. For example, instead of bragging about attending some fictitious protest over religion and pedophilia, ( " I spend a lot of time on line protesting pedophiles and religion. So I am not out on the street. If I were, I am quite confident I wouldn't see you there '' ) you could contact a professional who could then teach you coping mechanisms for how to deal with repressed anger and rage.

One might suggest you consider professional help for your unwarranted beliefs in imaginary beings.

 

[Fenton]

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Yawn. Another dead horse being needlessly flogged.

Just using your reasoning as it applies to personal accountability. You and those murderous thugs had a lot in common on a ideological level. They were responsible for the deaths of nearly a hundred million people and still you chose to believe what they believe. You, by your own reasoning are complicit. Its not as if you and Stalin both like Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Their position on Religion wasn't just some irrelevant and obscure belief. It was a significant character trait that shaped their thinking and their decisions.