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That whole website is a circle-jerk for climate change deniers.
I'm going to pass on an OP-ed article written by someone whom, as far as I can tell, has no real credentials to warrant her opinion being worth anything.
Shes' basically an aussie blogger and former childrens' media personality. As I said, forgive me for not taking her opinion on the issue as being worth commenting on.
Peer review is the best way we have to advance scientific understanding and knowledge. A specialist cannot be evaluated by the common plebe. His work must be evaluated by another specialist. And their interest is evaluating it according to scientific data.
It is true, peer-review is worthless in things like "social studies" or "gender studies" or such pseudointellectual fields. But not when you have hard facts leading to a scientific conclusion.
That whole website is a circle-jerk for climate change deniers.
I'm going to pass on an OP-ed article written by someone whom, as far as I can tell, has no real credentials to warrant her opinion being worth anything.
Shes' basically an aussie blogger and former childrens' media personality. As I said, forgive me for not taking her opinion on the issue as being worth commenting on.
Peer review is the best way we have to advance scientific understanding and knowledge. A specialist cannot be evaluated by the common plebe. His work must be evaluated by another specialist. And their interest is evaluating it according to scientific data.
It is true, peer-review is worthless in things like "social studies" or "gender studies" or such pseudointellectual fields. But not when you have hard facts leading to a scientific conclusion.
Peer review is a terrible system, and as this author notes it perpetuates the current line of thought much more than promoting "new" science. This is a big problem in medicine, because the editors of many medical journals have a conflict of interest with the drug companies that advertise in the journals. There was a situation a couple years ago in which the editors of JAMA attempted to smear a researcher who wrote a letter that was critical of their publication process. In general, publication bias (the bias shown by a tendency to only publish studies with positive results) is a perfect example of how peer review fails in promoting the scientific process over getting "good" results.
But the biggest problem is that peer review naturally lends a degree of "credibility" to a paper, and most readers take that as confirmation of it's validity.
Yes, there are bad peer review processes. There are science "journals" out there that will literally publish anything that is sent to them as long as you pay them.
Bad police officers and prosecutors exist too, but that isn't an argument against having them exist.
Yes, there are bad peer review processes. There are science "journals" out there that will literally publish anything that is sent to them as long as you pay them.
Bad police officers and prosecutors exist too, but that isn't an argument against having them exist.
Might be an argument to question an agenda that requires the largest transfer of wealth in human history, and a change in the way every human being on the planet is allowed to work and live.
The Peer Review Scam
peer review is not a scam. i spent six months in 2013 doing experiments recommended by reviewers before our paper was finally accepted. i worked my ass off to get that paper published.
From what I have seen peer review is really a bunch of peers trying to completey destory your study. Either some fields are far different than mine or they are a damn sight nicer to each other.
Then you should applaud Nature.com's exposure of scams. Their diligence helps to protect your good name.
Jack, you don't care about science or the peer review process. you are a partisan who only cares about climate science because of the political angle. everyone knows this, even those who agree with you. this is painfully obvious to those of us who actually work in peer reviewed research, but we generally let it go in order to be polite. but since you chose to respond, i'll let you know that i have worked in peer reviewed research for fifteen years now. i've been a part of many published studies. the review process is thorough and arduous.
i don't really give a **** about how you feel about climate science or what the right tells you to think. i don't much care what the left thinks, either. watching you guys fight about it is like watching zealots in a holy war. but this is what i do for a living. i know how it works firsthand. you do not. and when you attack the peer review process, you prove this to be the case every time.
No one here has more respect for science or its practicioners than I do. The name of this forum is, however, Debate Politics, is it not? In this particular case your high dudgeon is ludicrously misplaced. The allegation that peer review is a scam comes from Nature.com, not me. Physician, heal thyself.
So, your opinion is that peer review is not a scam?
Peer review is an essential process in publishing research results. As the Nature.com authors point out, however, scammers have become increasingly sophisticated in gaming the system, and editors are struggling to keep up. The unfortunate result is that the credibility of peer review is diminished for everyone. Those who expose and combat this fraud are the allies of honest scientists, not their enemies.
But you admit that the overall peer review process is not a scam as your title indicates, correct?
So the alternative you propose is, what exactly?Peer review is a terrible system....
Please. This is just another rationalization of criticizing the majority of scientific work which shows, fairly definitively, that AGW is happening.as this author notes it perpetuates the current line of thought much more than promoting "new" science.
Odd, I don't know a lot of people who think that way. Peer review doesn't mean that a paper is correct or incorrect. What it means is that it's passed a basic level of review. The better the journal, the more strict the level of review, but even being published in the most prestigious journal still doesn't mean (or prove that) the paper is correct.the biggest problem is that peer review naturally lends a degree of "credibility" to a paper, and most readers take that as confirmation of it's validity.
It is disheartening when a thread that highlights the effort to maintain high standards in science is misconstrued as an attack on science. No good deed goes unpunished.
when one posts a thread with an inflammatory title which dismisses peer review as a scam, that tends to happen.
peer review is not a scam. i spent six months in 2013 doing experiments recommended by reviewers before our paper was finally accepted. i worked my ass off to get that paper published.
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