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THE PANIC OVER TRANS SPORTS INCLUSION

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"Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point. We are not a tomorrow away from some kind of trans takeover. But rather than delving into the complexity and wrestling with how to create fair competition as gender norms shift, we are succumbing to a panic that forces us to choose between the extremes of firm exclusion and full inclusion.

The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport. Yet a preemptive war rages, threatening to complicate the lives of even nonelite athletes, who simply seek access to the social, emotional and health benefits of organized activities. ... Gill-Peterson, a Johns Hopkins professor and author who specializes in transgender history, sees how the message is framed with succinct urgency: Save women’s sports. It does not present the rare dominant trans athlete as a complicated anomaly that warrants deep thought but rather as an existential threat that must be eliminated to protect the sanctity of our sex-segregated sports structure.

Megan Rapinoe grew tired of people speaking for her. She did not appreciate the notion that women’s sports needed protection, especially if politicians and others who hadn’t shown interest in them before were suddenly the protectors. In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. “We as a country are trying to legislate away people’s full humanity,” she told Time magazine before she retired last year.

...“It’s such a farce,” said Clarendon, who is married to Layshia Clarendon, the first openly nonbinary WNBA player. ...“We are telling you that we are not under attack from trans women. If you want to know the things we are protecting ourselves from, there is a really long list, and trans women are not on it....I think it’s by design, creating a wedge issue to disrupt a really unified group of people,” Clarendon said of conservatives campaigning against trans participation in sports. “They were losing the narrative on gay people and gay marriage, and the backlash has found a new target. It’s absolutely designed to divide people like Megan and Martina on ideological lines.”

...The decision to segregate sexes in sports was made long before significant contemplation of gender fluidity. It remains the most logical way to create meaningful competitions and acknowledge the inherent biological advantage that men possess. But the binary system is starting to fray as society changes. While transgender participation is still too small to create another sports category, the hysteria has elevated the importance of more creative and inclusive counter-policies. If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand."

Link to gifted article

Seems like few women atheletes object to it.
 
Evidence that contradicts the panic.

"Transgender athletes frequently encounter a range of barriers to inclusion and participation in athletic activities. A notable challenge to inclusion is the absence of comprehensive policies and regulations that facilitate the involvement of transgender athletes in competitive sports. As a result, the research team, among them a member of the IOC’s Medical and Scientific Commission, concluded that sporting federations should refrain from hastily banning transgender women from competing in the women’s category, advocating for additional research tailored to each sport and additional longitudinal investigations. You can read the full open-access publication in the British Journal of Sports Medicine here."


 
"Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point. We are not a tomorrow away from some kind of trans takeover. But rather than delving into the complexity and wrestling with how to create fair competition as gender norms shift, we are succumbing to a panic that forces us to choose between the extremes of firm exclusion and full inclusion.

The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport. Yet a preemptive war rages, threatening to complicate the lives of even nonelite athletes, who simply seek access to the social, emotional and health benefits of organized activities. ... Gill-Peterson, a Johns Hopkins professor and author who specializes in transgender history, sees how the message is framed with succinct urgency: Save women’s sports. It does not present the rare dominant trans athlete as a complicated anomaly that warrants deep thought but rather as an existential threat that must be eliminated to protect the sanctity of our sex-segregated sports structure.

Megan Rapinoe grew tired of people speaking for her. She did not appreciate the notion that women’s sports needed protection, especially if politicians and others who hadn’t shown interest in them before were suddenly the protectors. In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. “We as a country are trying to legislate away people’s full humanity,” she told Time magazine before she retired last year.

...“It’s such a farce,” said Clarendon, who is married to Layshia Clarendon, the first openly nonbinary WNBA player. ...“We are telling you that we are not under attack from trans women. If you want to know the things we are protecting ourselves from, there is a really long list, and trans women are not on it....I think it’s by design, creating a wedge issue to disrupt a really unified group of people,” Clarendon said of conservatives campaigning against trans participation in sports. “They were losing the narrative on gay people and gay marriage, and the backlash has found a new target. It’s absolutely designed to divide people like Megan and Martina on ideological lines.”


...The decision to segregate sexes in sports was made long before significant contemplation of gender fluidity. It remains the most logical way to create meaningful competitions and acknowledge the inherent biological advantage that men possess. But the binary system is starting to fray as society changes. While transgender participation is still too small to create another sports category, the hysteria has elevated the importance of more creative and inclusive counter-policies. If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand."

Link to gifted article

Seems like few women atheletes object to it.
This> "In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. "
 
If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand.
People often don't even seem to think that just blanket banning trans people from sports, even non-competitive sports in many cases, isn't socially harmful in any way.

I think this short quote sums up the situation well.
 
It's always been more about removing trans people from public life and consciousness than it was about women's sports
I think there are people who are legitimately concerned about fairness in women's sports...and I think nearly 100% of those people are liberal and pro-trans rights.

For the most parts conservatives only focus on sports because it's the weakest point to attack trans people on. Public opinion and the law have so far obliterated most attempts to restrict trans healthcare for adults and in many cases for minors too.

But with sports there are legitimate concerns about fairness and it is a complicated issue with no clear solution, even if conservatives might be engaging in the conversation disingenuously.
 
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Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point.

No it did not. We went from zero men competing in women's sports and the very idea being a joke, to it's wonderful and good and if you're not on board you're a transphobe. There was zero discussion. The people who fancy themselves drivers of the culture had written a new unwritten rule and that was how is was going to be.

And it worked for a while. People don't like being called transphobes and went along with it. But the culture warriors forgot one thing. Half the people are women. And many of them compete in sports. And every woman, every daughter, every wife and girlfriend beat out of a competition by a man, had a, "Huh" moment. The unfairness just kind of slowly percolated up.

Then, doubling down on the cultural attack, they said it was really important to allow these fully intact men into women's locker rooms. That wasn't a "huh" moment. That was a "WTF?"

Fortunately reality has the last word. As of 2023, 69% say people need to compete according to their sex, not their gender identity.

Of course the culture warriors will continue to cast the fight as a political one. A wedge issue. It's not. You are just wrong this time.
 
There was zero discussion.
That's crazy.

The only way someone could believe that is if you actively avoided discussions on trans issues and women's sports until conservative media suddenly decided to focus on it. If you literally only got your news from conservative sources I could see how it would seem like this just happened out of nowhere.

However, there were decades of debates and studies and civil rights protesting before conservative media picked up on it.

The Olympic committee started drawing out guidelines for trans athletes in 2003.
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This is just an objectively false narrative. But conservatives do like to pretend trans people were invented and popularized by the woke mob in 2016 or whatever so.
 
That's crazy.

The only way someone could believe that is if you actively avoided discussions on trans issues and women's sports until conservative media suddenly decided to focus on it. If you literally only got your news from conservative sources I could see how it would seem like this just happened out of nowhere.
Well, I don't literally get my news from conservative sources and I don't recall the merits being debated so much as it being presented in the leftist MSM as good and wonderful and if you're not onboard you're a transphobe.

However, there were decades of debates and studies and civil rights protesting before conservative media picked up on it.
Richards concealed his sex for a long time, and was never a competitive player. And after Richards, there were no more trans athletes for a generation.

The Olympic committee started drawing out guidelines for trans athletes in 2003.
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Again, where is the debate here? This is more where the governing body sets down rules (that it later abandons) without any discussion that I noticed.

This is just an objectively false narrative. But conservatives do like to pretend trans people were invented and popularized by the woke mob in 2016 or whatever so.
I always know I've won the argument when the other side starts with the persona snark.

The first openly trans woman athlete to compete in the Olympics was Laural Hubbard, a 43 year old weight lifter in 2020. Hubbard would probably have medaled but for his age.

So yeah, it was in the late 2010's that this started becoming enough of a thing to have an actual debate in the society as opposed to the cultural elites pronouncing the new oh so god and wonderful inclusive blah blah rules. In the last ten years the number of men competing in women's sports has exploded, along with other laws giving them access to women's private spaces in bathrooms, locker rooms and prisons. That's all a new thing.
 
It's always been more about removing trans people from public life and consciousness than it was about women's sports

LOL. Says some guy on the Internet. Doesnt mean much really.
 
"Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point. We are not a tomorrow away from some kind of trans takeover. But rather than delving into the complexity and wrestling with how to create fair competition as gender norms shift, we are succumbing to a panic that forces us to choose between the extremes of firm exclusion and full inclusion.

The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport. Yet a preemptive war rages, threatening to complicate the lives of even nonelite athletes, who simply seek access to the social, emotional and health benefits of organized activities. ... Gill-Peterson, a Johns Hopkins professor and author who specializes in transgender history, sees how the message is framed with succinct urgency: Save women’s sports. It does not present the rare dominant trans athlete as a complicated anomaly that warrants deep thought but rather as an existential threat that must be eliminated to protect the sanctity of our sex-segregated sports structure.

Megan Rapinoe grew tired of people speaking for her. She did not appreciate the notion that women’s sports needed protection, especially if politicians and others who hadn’t shown interest in them before were suddenly the protectors. In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. “We as a country are trying to legislate away people’s full humanity,” she told Time magazine before she retired last year.

...“It’s such a farce,” said Clarendon, who is married to Layshia Clarendon, the first openly nonbinary WNBA player. ...“We are telling you that we are not under attack from trans women. If you want to know the things we are protecting ourselves from, there is a really long list, and trans women are not on it....I think it’s by design, creating a wedge issue to disrupt a really unified group of people,” Clarendon said of conservatives campaigning against trans participation in sports. “They were losing the narrative on gay people and gay marriage, and the backlash has found a new target. It’s absolutely designed to divide people like Megan and Martina on ideological lines.”


...The decision to segregate sexes in sports was made long before significant contemplation of gender fluidity. It remains the most logical way to create meaningful competitions and acknowledge the inherent biological advantage that men possess. But the binary system is starting to fray as society changes. While transgender participation is still too small to create another sports category, the hysteria has elevated the importance of more creative and inclusive counter-policies. If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand."

Link to gifted article

Seems like few women atheletes object to it.


I have the international LGBTQ+ symbol tattooed on my neck.

It is 'queer month", all of June is when (at least in Canada) we honor the people.

However...

I read a story about a woman in a type of fighting competition who has pulled out of competition because she would have to face a trans. "Figures" was my response until I read that the male body is DESIGNED to throw and absorb punches, while the female upper body is designed to pull in, to bundle and protect. Thus a man of the same size as a woman would be able to hit substantially harder, the risk of injury far, far greater.

In this case her and her trainers assessed the competition and determined the difference could lead to serious injury.

So my jury is still out. Maybe we need a special category.
 
I have the international LGBTQ+ symbol tattooed on my neck.

Annnnd.....you are happy and satisfied with your decision to get neck tats?

It is 'queer month", all of June is when (at least in Canada) we honor the people.

I just cant grasp this concept of "honoring" people for such things. Marching in a parade and all that. If someone wants to do it: knock yourself out. I just dont get it. I dont broadcast my heterosexuality. I believe sexuality is a private matter. I dont really want to know what others are doing, I just dont care.

I do however firmly believe that men shouldnt be competing in women sports leagues or on women teams in the Olympics etc. For obvious reasons: THEY ARENT WOMEN lol.
 
In this case her and her trainers assessed the competition and determined the difference could lead to serious injury.

So my jury is still out. Maybe we need a special category.
I think it should be done in a case by case, sport by sport basis personally.
 
"Transgender sports participation has emerged as a flash point mostly for the sake of being a flash point. We are not a tomorrow away from some kind of trans takeover. But rather than delving into the complexity and wrestling with how to create fair competition as gender norms shift, we are succumbing to a panic that forces us to choose between the extremes of firm exclusion and full inclusion.

The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport. Yet a preemptive war rages, threatening to complicate the lives of even nonelite athletes, who simply seek access to the social, emotional and health benefits of organized activities. ... Gill-Peterson, a Johns Hopkins professor and author who specializes in transgender history, sees how the message is framed with succinct urgency: Save women’s sports. It does not present the rare dominant trans athlete as a complicated anomaly that warrants deep thought but rather as an existential threat that must be eliminated to protect the sanctity of our sex-segregated sports structure.

Megan Rapinoe grew tired of people speaking for her. She did not appreciate the notion that women’s sports needed protection, especially if politicians and others who hadn’t shown interest in them before were suddenly the protectors. In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. “We as a country are trying to legislate away people’s full humanity,” she told Time magazine before she retired last year.

...“It’s such a farce,” said Clarendon, who is married to Layshia Clarendon, the first openly nonbinary WNBA player. ...“We are telling you that we are not under attack from trans women. If you want to know the things we are protecting ourselves from, there is a really long list, and trans women are not on it....I think it’s by design, creating a wedge issue to disrupt a really unified group of people,” Clarendon said of conservatives campaigning against trans participation in sports. “They were losing the narrative on gay people and gay marriage, and the backlash has found a new target. It’s absolutely designed to divide people like Megan and Martina on ideological lines.”


...The decision to segregate sexes in sports was made long before significant contemplation of gender fluidity. It remains the most logical way to create meaningful competitions and acknowledge the inherent biological advantage that men possess. But the binary system is starting to fray as society changes. While transgender participation is still too small to create another sports category, the hysteria has elevated the importance of more creative and inclusive counter-policies. If we believe sport has a greater purpose, then we tarnish its value if we cannot find a better solution than to banish those we don’t quite understand."

Link to gifted article

Seems like few women atheletes object to it.
It's about boys taking over girls teams. A trans girl is a boy.
 
This> "In the transgender discussion, she sensed female athletes were being used — by the same people who so often had been contemptuous about women’s sports. "
Women have the most contempt for women's sports. Look at the fan base of the WNBA it's mostly men.
 
The level of indignation is disproportionate to the minuscule number of known trans athletes at all levels of sport.
Just imagine that logic... "well gee... it was only a few Jews"

Wrong is wrong and it is right to stand up to what is wrong.
 
It's always been more about removing trans people from public life and consciousness than it was about women's sports
Not even remotely correct. It is 100% about women's sports.
 
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