The One & Only Way To Reduce/Stop Abortions

[Scrabaholic]

Finally, Margaret Sanger and her organization began to be primary sponsors of abortion rights during her lifetime.

Sanger NEVER pushed for abortion rights. She HATED abortion.

 

[Tryingtogetit]

Correct murder by definition is a illegal act. What happens when you kill a baby. Then you break the commandment and law stateing thou shall not kill. Look other than the rape cases we are talking about willing weman who know sex could mean pregnancy, going out getting pregnant, and then punishing a innocent child for there actions. And to those who are raped as I have been and who get pregnant, I know wrong was donee to you, and I believe if a baby came from that there is a reason. I would just ask how bad it made you feel to have some one violate you and take away your feeling of trust.. then I would say now think about the innocent child who literally has done nothing. Maybe God wants the baby adopted out maybe he wants you to raise and love him and for the baby to love you and give you scince of Peace back. I can not believe in America we have to discuss why killing a child is wrong. Maybe I'm the crazy immoral one who knows

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[Tryingtogetit]

I will have sex where, when and with whom I choose. If I get pregnant, I will not give the child up for adoption since I do not believe in it. I will parent or abort. Most likely abort, which would cost me nothing since it's covered under my country's health care system.

Ya you sound like the typical it's all about me screw everyone else attitude. It really makes me sick to listen to how you'd kill baby nni shame remorse just well I kill it and go on. People ask what has happened to our society...you are one-of the examples. I am told when abortion first was legal Congress stated it would only be used in rare instances. And when it was used it was not a pouf thin...well Dems now look no imbarrssment no more....there is pride in killing babys. Great job

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[Robertinfremont]

Sanger NEVER pushed for abortion rights. She HATED abortion.

All you need to do is submit proof.

 

[AGENT J]

Correct murder by definition is a illegal act. What happens when you kill a baby. Then you break the commandment and law stateing thou shall not kill. Look other than the rape cases we are talking about willing weman who know sex could mean pregnancy, going out getting pregnant, and then punishing a innocent child for there actions. And to those who are raped as I have been and who get pregnant, I know wrong was donee to you, and I believe if a baby came from that there is a reason. I would just ask how bad it made you feel to have some one violate you and take away your feeling of trust.. then I would say now think about the innocent child who literally has done nothing. Maybe God wants the baby adopted out maybe he wants you to raise and love him and for the baby to love you and give you scince of Peace back. I can not believe in America we have to discuss why killing a child is wrong. Maybe I'm the crazy immoral one who knows

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thats because simply saying abortion is "killing a child" is dishonest and morals are subjective by definition

also in america?

the majority of first world countries with rights and freedoms and governments like typically have pro-choice laws

its typical countries that are dictatorships or theocracies or dont have rights and freedom based governments that have pro-life laws

 

[Robertinfremont]

The article you are coping and pasting from is by Jefferis Kent Peterson a defrocked minister who writes/wrote anti-abortion articles for a conservative organization The Center for Biblical Literacy. Very little of his article is true. I suggest you read Wikipedia's article on Ms Sanger in order to get a more accurate picture and time line of her life and work. A few important points

The American Birth Control League was not founded by the white nationalist Lothrop Stoddard. It was founded by Ms Sanger in 1921. Stoddard was a board member. She left the organization when it became racist. The eugenics movement was not racist when founded. Genes had just been discovered and many biologist and activists naively thought genetics could improve the "race". The early eugenics movement meant the human race when they used the term 'race'.

She was never associated with Hitler or his eugenics experiments and she was not anti-Semitic. Her secretary, Ann Lifechiz was Jewish as was Fania Mindell as social worker that along with Ms Sanger was arrested for opening the first birth control clinic. The following are women involved with Ms Sanger in the birth control movement:Emma Goldman, Rose Pastor Stokes, Hannah Meyer Stone, Gertrude Weil, Rachael Slobodinsky Yarros MD, Bessie Moses MD and others ..... all Jewish.

She was not racist. She worked hard establishing birth control clinics in Harlem in NYC and in Southern black communities. Martin Luther King praised her work with black families.

She was for controlling immigration from the Mediterranean
area, as was all of America. Most of these immigrants were illiterate, poor, spoke no English, were jobless and lived in abject poverty. This flood of immigrants included: Italians, Greeks, Turks, Spaniards, Portuguese and Hebrews. They were discriminated against, but these were the people that Sanger worked with.

Don't post things about which you know nothing except how to cut and paste.

I post a lot and often am demanded to produce links along with a bit of the article.

Do you get asked to produce links to prove you are able to do the same thing imposed on me?

 

[Tryingtogetit]

Correct and if you believe in God and what he tells us in the Bible as I do...what did God end up doing to the earth. To wipe out all the sinful people who were just out of control..(as I believe we are today).. well he burnt Babylon to the ground and ultimately flooded the earth.
I don't know if morals are based on the bible I truelly don't know..I do know my morals line up with the bible...so
If morals come from the Bible then I would have to say non believers would not know about them and killing a child I guess is comprehindable however
I believe the do come from the Bible, I KNOW God gave us all a soul and I know when I do things wrong there is something inside of me that lets me know. I may not listen to it but it is there.
I do not believe for one sec that ANY female went in and killed a baby and God did not talk to there soul before it happened. I would bet the bank one of the last thoughts were.....am I doing the right thing...telling themselves this is wrong....in some way they have doubts weather they listen or not I truelly believe it's there.

That being said I have no experience as I have never for a sec debated killing anyone let alone my own child

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[Robertinfremont]

So you have zero response to the actual content of my post and are incapable of discussing it?


I have directly answered your objections in that response, and you dont have the courtesy to even respond to it.

Well isn't that cute. A victim again.

 

[Lursa]

If an amendment limiting or eliminating abortion was added to the U.S. constitution then the opinion of "justices" (even the Supreme Court) would be utterly irrelevant. They can't rule that an amendment lawfully added to the U.S. Constitution is "unconstitutional".

That amendment still needs to be Constitutional. Name another amendment that, when in force, violates the Const. rights of other Americans?

And then you need a 2/3 majority in a country that has a majority solidly behind abortion.

 

[Robertinfremont]

No you havent :shrug:

Youre posts have proclaimed what YOU want to do and we are asking how

Heres your qoute again


SO please, explain that post and explain how you would "grant them the same rights" and "make the two parties equal"?


and this question actually goes for ANYBODY. If anybody agrees with the quote above and thinks its possible by all means please explain how, thanks!

That was many days ago. Since then I have many times explained how I now look at that.

 

[Lursa]

Well isn't that cute. A victim again.

Yes, you are playing the victim again...while still not responding to any questions directed to you in a discussion.

 

[Robertinfremont]

That amendment still needs to be Constitutional. Name another amendment that, when in force, violates the Const. rights of other Americans?

And then you need a 2/3 majority in a country that has a majority solidly behind abortion.

There you go, explaining one more time, oh lord of the many times, how safe you are when you get an abortion. Buck up kiddo, do not worry your head.

 

[Lursa]

That was many days ago. Since then I have many times explained how I now look at that.

Perhaps if you had ever acknowledged that you learned something here and then changed your mind when you knew more, people would remember that and stop asking.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Yes, you are playing the victim again...while still not responding to any questions directed to you in a discussion.

What is your legal duty to respond to all questions put to you?

Ps. you played the victim card.

 

[Lursa]

There you go, explaining one more time, oh lord of the many times, how safe you are when you get an abortion. Buck up kiddo, do not worry your head.

???what? Where did I mention anything about safety?

What do the letters on the screen actually say to you? Do they speak out loud? Do they move? Are they scary? They must be doing something, because your posts do not reflect reality.

 

[AGENT J]

That was many days ago. Since then I have many times explained how I now look at that.

ANd yet you just made ANOTHER post that continues NOT to answer . . sooo i will ask you AGAIN LMAO

Heres your statement:

I would grant the same rights to the unborn all other humans in the USA have. none of us have a full plate of rights.

As to the laughable claim it makes the woman in 2nd place, I submit it makes the two parties equals.

Now please, explain (you or ANYBODY) how you would "grant them the same rights" and "make the two parties equal"? Thanks!

 

[Robertinfremont]

Perhaps if you had ever acknowledged that you learned something here and then changed your mind when you knew more, people would remember that and stop asking.

Good grief,. so many victims here.

 

[Lursa]

Correct and if you believe in God and what he tells us in the Bible as I do...what did God end up doing to the earth. To wipe out all the sinful people who were just out of control..(as I believe we are today).. well he burnt Babylon to the ground and ultimately flooded the earth.
I don't know if morals are based on the bible I truelly don't know..I do know my morals line up with the bible...so
If morals come from the Bible then I would have to say non believers would not know about them and killing a child I guess is comprehindable however
I believe the do come from the Bible, I KNOW God gave us all a soul and I know when I do things wrong there is something inside of me that lets me know. I may not listen to it but it is there.
I do not believe for one sec that ANY female went in and killed a baby and God did not talk to there soul before it happened. I would bet the bank one of the last thoughts were.....am I doing the right thing...telling themselves this is wrong....in some way they have doubts weather they listen or not I truelly believe it's there.

That being said I have no experience as I have never for a sec debated killing anyone let alone my own child

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YOu know what our Constitution says about freedom of religion, right?

So do you believe that you are entitled to demand women that dont believe the same as you do must behave according to your religion?

 

[Robertinfremont]

???what? Where did I mention anything about safety?

What do the letters on the screen actually say to you? Do they speak out loud? Do they move? Are they scary? They must be doing something, because your posts do not reflect reality.

I mentioned safety.

 

[Lursa]

What is your legal duty to respond to all questions put to you?

Ps. you played the victim card.

I never did so...please post the text where I played the victim card.

And I am posting on a discussion forum to engage in discussions...so I do respond to questions a) to elicit further information and responses on which to sharpen my arguments and b) as a courtesy to the people who take the time to post cogent, relevant information (whether I agree with it or not)

You should try it sometime! :mrgreen:

 

[Lursa]

Good grief,. so many victims here.

THat you read constructive advice as 'victimization' speaks to just how deeply you've fallen into that victim's role. It colors everything you read now...and I just posted advice :lamo

 

[Robertinfremont]

I never did so...please post the text where I played the victim card.

And I am posting on a discussion forum to engage in discussions...so I do respond to questions a) to elicit further information and responses on which to sharpen my arguments and b) as a courtesy to the people who take the time to post cogent, relevant information (whether I agree with it or not)

You should try it sometime! :mrgreen:

Someday maybe you wills top accusing others of playing the victim card, 'And no you do not explain why.

 

[Lursa]

I mentioned safety.

In relation to my post? Why?

It's like me responding to your post here with "dishwasher." It's random, makes no sense, and does zero to continue a discussion.

 

[Robertinfremont]

THat you read constructive advice as 'victimization' speaks to just how deeply you've fallen into that victim's role. It colors everything you read now...and I just posted advice :lamo

You started it.

 

[Robertinfremont]

In relation to my post? Why?

It's like me responding to your post here with "dishwasher." It's random, makes no sense, and does zero to continue a discussion.

As my son advised me, Dad, stop replying to them. They have no purpose than to badger you.