The Numbers Don’t Add Up

[Ikari]

Delusional Democrat.

"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

Never voted Democrat, so your lies are unfounded. And:

Biden called Trump “xenophobic.” Trump is right that Biden called him xenophobic. But Biden didn’t make clear why he said that. The Biden campaign has said that was not in connection with the China travel restrictions.

As we have written, on the day the White House announced the restrictions, Biden said at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel rules.

Trump's Misleading Comments on Biden and the Coronavirus - FactCheck.org

In July 14 remarks in the White House Rose Garden, President Donald Trump made a series of false, misleading and unsupported statements about the novel coronavirus and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's position on it.

www.factcheck.org

Picking out sound bites and trying to pretend they are something else is not a strong argument.

 

[AGENT J]

"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

Thats a good quote, history seems to prove that to be pretty accurate, who said it, I applaud them . . .

The WOrse possible person is way over the top dramatic if they mean ANY person but if they meant politicians its pretty accurate.

 

[TurtleDude]

it has killed more Americans than WWII, and this fact is still not debatable. when you compose your subsequent deflections, consider this post to be my response to all of them.

if covid had not been present, how many of those people would still be alive? that is the key question

 

[Rawley]

A lot of people on the right are extremely binary. In their world, if you aren't a Republican, you have to be a Democrat.

FYI, I'm not a Republican, but they are certainly my party. And if you deny that the Democrats are your party, you are full of shit.

 

[element94]

Say what you will but the curtain is coming down on Covid. The numbers were a political weapon to impact our election and change history
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COVID-19 deaths may also be classified or defined differently in various reporting and surveillance systems. Death counts in this report include laboratory confirmed COVID-19 deaths and clinically confirmed COVID-19 deaths. This includes deaths where COVID-19 is listed as a “presumed” or “probable” cause.

Technical Notes: Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Ok, how about corrupt, ignorant republican partisanship led to the deaths of 500,000 American citizens they swore to protect.

 

[Rawley]

Never voted Democrat, so your lies are unfounded. And:

Trump's Misleading Comments on Biden and the Coronavirus - FactCheck.org

In July 14 remarks in the White House Rose Garden, President Donald Trump made a series of false, misleading and unsupported statements about the novel coronavirus and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's position on it.

www.factcheck.org

Picking out sound bites and trying to pretend they are something else is not a strong argument.

 

[armycowboy]

Yes they can never come to grips with the fact that he was the most unpopular President in polling history. That surely can have nothing to do with his loss. No way.

It actually fits nicely with the victim complex they've been cultivating for the past decade. Nothing is ever their fault, they're always victims. Thus, Trump was the victim of the deep state and the media. It just wasn't fair.

 

[armycowboy]

FYI, I'm not a Republican, but they are certainly my party. And if you deny that the Democrats are your party, you are full of shit.

In November, at the top of the ticket, I voted for a Democrat for president, a Libertarian for Senate and a Republican for the House. I realize that's something you can probably not comprehend.

 

[AGENT J]

FYI, I'm not a Republican, but they are certainly my party. And if you deny that the Democrats are your party, you are full of shit.

Again denying facts and posting triggered attacks like this wont change anything LOL
Fact remains if a person says they are not a democrat then they arent
You have no ability to prove otherwise or the power to say they are

 

[Rogue Valley]

 

[CaughtInThe]

OK How many of the 600,000 would the "competent" leadership of Senile Joe have saved? Give us the number. 300,000? 400,0000?

My guess is we'd have around 100,000 less dead Americans (since Joe wouldn't have downplayed it, would have promoted mask usage from the beginning and implemented a system for the Feds to work with the States immediately).

My guess could be way low.


But we had to have a dumbass and denier in that White House when this all started. Many deaths are on his hands and many small business owners haven't slept or have already gone bankrupt because of the incompetence of the Trump administration. And you/people like you put him there.


And don't fret, people (as we speak) are putting together the numbers of how many Americans should not have died. It'll all be plain as day before you know it.

 

[iguanaman]

if covid had not been present, how many of those people would still be alive? that is the key question

That is easy.....all of them. That is why they call it "excess deaths".

During January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021, an estimated 545,600–660,200 more persons than expected died in the United States from all causes (Figure). The estimated number of excess deaths peaked during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, August 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021. Approximately 75%–88% of excess deaths were directly associated with COVID-19. Excluding deaths directly associated with COVID-19, an estimated 63,700–162,400 more persons than expected died from other causes.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm

 

[Helix]

if covid had not been present, how many of those people would still be alive? that is the key question

If there were no COVID, those who died of COVID wouldn't have died of COVID.

 

[TurtleDude]

If there were no COVID, those who died of COVID wouldn't have died of COVID.

well if someone is on their deathbed with end stage four pancreatic cancer and they got covid, their death is attributed to covid even though they would have died four-five days later.

 

[Ikari]

My guess is we'd have around 100,000 less dead Americans (since Joe wouldn't have downplayed it, would have promoted mask usage from the beginning and implemented a system for the Feds to work with the States immediately).

My guess could be way low.


But we had to have a dumbass and denier in that White House when this all started. Many deaths are on his hands and many small business owners haven't slept or have already gone bankrupt because of the incompetence of the Trump administration. And you/people like you put him there.


And don't fret, people (as we speak) are putting together the numbers of how many Americans should not have died. It'll all be plain as day before you know it.

It's hard to estimate how much lower the deaths would have been with competent leadership. But Covid was Trump's test of office, if there was any. He could have really risen high had he handled it in an intelligent and mature manner, could have lessened the length of time for shutdowns with planning and cooperation, and increased efficiencies with getting equipment cross States. It's too bad he went the "Liberate Michigan" route and we ended up in such a deep hole because of it.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's hard to estimate how much lower the deaths would have been with competent leadership. But Covid was Trump's test of office, if there was any. He could have really risen high had he handled it in an intelligent and mature manner, could have lessened the length of time for shutdowns with planning and cooperation, and increased efficiencies with getting equipment cross States. It's too bad he went the "Liberate Michigan" route and we ended up in such a deep hole because of it.

Trump was in a no-win situation in this matter because most of the things lefties claim he should have done, he did not have the power to do. And if he had done them, he would have been sued up and down and blamed for the massive economic harm the actions would have caused.

 

[Ikari]

Trump was in a no-win situation in this matter because most of the things lefties claim he should have done, he did not have the power to do. And if he had done them, he would have been sued up and down and blamed for the massive economic harm the actions would have caused.

He was in a win-lose situation. If he'd spent less time politicizing the issue, tweeting things like "Liberate Michigan" and instead listened to the CDC and WHO, worked with the States, and encouraged things like social distancing and mask wearing; we could have ended in a better place. He could have won a lot of people over by behaving like an adult here. Had he handled Covid well, there's no way he would have lost re-election.

 

[AGENT J]

well if someone is on their deathbed with end stage four pancreatic cancer and they got covid, their death is attributed to covid even though they would have died four-five days later.

Say thats true . . are you claiming thats something NEW?

if that person with cancer would have also died from the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, and asthma attack, heart attack, car accident or air conditioner falling on their head would it have all been listed as cancer EXCEPT for covid?
What evidence exists for that?

In my experience, it was not, I've have lost 4 family members who had cancer and only 2 directly mentioned cancer on the official write up as cause . . . .

 

[Helix]

well if someone is on their deathbed with end stage four pancreatic cancer and they got covid, their death is attributed to covid even though they would have died four-five days later.

I've already heard about the prevailing COVID conspiracy theories. They're generally pushed by the same people who Gollumed themselves for a game show host.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Say what you will but the curtain is coming down on Covid. The numbers were a political weapon to impact our election and change history
—-

COVID-19 deaths may also be classified or defined differently in various reporting and surveillance systems. Death counts in this report include laboratory confirmed COVID-19 deaths and clinically confirmed COVID-19 deaths. This includes deaths where COVID-19 is listed as a “presumed” or “probable” cause.

Technical Notes: Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

Let's see if I can grasp what you are attempting to imply.

Because there is some relative or seeming uncertainty in the reporting criteria
you feel that the number of people who are reported to have died from COVID is over reported?


IF I got that right,
Then maybe you agree that the total US deaths for 2020 should reflect the discrepancy above.

If non-COVID deaths were being reported as COVID deaths to some significant or meaningful degree,​

then the difference between the total US deaths for 2020 should reflect that.​

If there were only about the same number of US deaths in 2020 as there were in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, & 2019​

then that would mean that even though we were told that 500K American died of COVID, the total number of deaths do not indicate that these were excess deaths.​

If you agree with that,

Have you checked the excess US deaths for the year 2020 against the averages of recent years and the expected annual increase?​

That could be some powerful evidence for your argument.​

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's hard to estimate how much lower the deaths would have been with competent leadership. But Covid was Trump's test of office, if there was any. He could have really risen high had he handled it in an intelligent and mature manner, could have lessened the length of time for shutdowns with planning and cooperation, and increased efficiencies with getting equipment cross States. It's too bad he went the "Liberate Michigan" route and we ended up in such a deep hole because of it.

yeah. he could have looked like the best President ever by simply being decent.

 

[AGENT J]

He was in a win-lose situation. If he'd spent less time politicizing the issue, tweeting things like "Liberate Michigan" and instead listened to the CDC and WHO, worked with the States, and encouraged things like social distancing and mask wearing; we could have ended in a better place. He could have won a lot of people over by behaving like an adult here. Had he handled Covid well, there's no way he would have lost re-election.

BINGO!

it was so simple . . .
so many times when i thought . . .alright. heres his chance to shine and be a good leader, a good person .. they are tossing him an easy softball . . . . . .

the pitch is up!

he lets it blow by him, takes it out of the catcher's hand, spikes it straight into the ground and pisses all over it . . .

and normal people right left and center stare in amazement of how incompetent and narcissistic one person could be

 

[AGENT J]

yeah. he could have looked like the best President ever by simply being decent.

Ding ding ding ding

another common sense and truthful answer . . .
he had so many softballs tossed his way

 

[less right]

I didn't vote for Trump.

Anyone who ate tide pods did.

 

[GDViking]

My guess is we'd have around 100,000 less dead Americans (since Joe wouldn't have downplayed it, would have promoted mask usage from the beginning and implemented a system for the Feds to work with the States immediately).

My guess could be way low.


But we had to have a dumbass and denier in that White House when this all started. Many deaths are on his hands and many small business owners haven't slept or have already gone bankrupt because of the incompetence of the Trump administration. And you/people like you put him there.


And don't fret, people (as we speak) are putting together the numbers of how many Americans should not have died. It'll all be plain as day before you know it.

It would be higher than that, you forget that Obama warned of this, trump ignored it and pulled the team out of China that was there specifically to detect just such a plague...

Then he obstructed testing trying to keep his numbers down, pulled us out of the WHO, a d refused to use the tests the rest of the world was using

In short he ****ed up in very possible way...