FinnMacCool
DP Veteran
- Joined
- Aug 23, 2005
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- South Shore of Long Island.
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Nah. I choose not to take a side. Maybe four centuries ago I would've but I think over the years, the crimes commited by both sides have amounted so much that they are now indistinquisable and the only thing that is keeping us away from peace is arrogance and nationalism.lol, but then again, I'm an english protestant, and I'm assuming that, at the very least, you don't have MUCH of a desire to kill me
Australianlibertarian said:You send, a truck load of Scots, Welsh, and English to try and convert Ireland to prodestantarianism....... A bit like trying to bring democracy to the Midle East. A stupid idead brought about by prodestant religious paranoia during th 16th and 17th centurys.
Australianlibertarian said:Very dissapointing that many Americans with Irish descent donated money to a terrorist organisation.
Australianlibertarian said:The IRA are nothing more than gangsters, just like the UVF or UDF.
Australianlibertarian said:As for the Orange Marching season. It is not English that are celebrating the marching season, but rather Northern Ireland prodestants that belong to the Orange Order.
galenrox said:I think the conflict is that England, at the very heart of it, is an imperialist nation, and sees importance in imperialism, while Ireland has become a punching bag for England, and are sick of England being dicks to them.
GarzaUK said:The thing that is funny red dave is that the majority of the nationalists actually don't want a United IrelandQUOTE]
Wouldnt they cease to be nationalists in that case?
Red_Dave said:GarzaUK said:The thing that is funny red dave is that the majority of the nationalists actually don't want a United IrelandQUOTE]
Wouldnt they cease to be nationalists in that case?
In a way but the nationalists movement main aim is not a United Ireland as they claim, but rather more rights for Nationalists and more identification as being Irish such as... to be able to be taught Irish in secondary schools. They consider an United Ireland a romantic idea, but not one that is practical.
For example Sinn Fein do not have any steps or roadmap whatsoever to sucessful integrate the north and the south of Ireland. "We want a socialist Republic." But when asked how are they going to integrate two countries, with two different economies, two different currencies, two different healthcare systems, in fact two different cultures (because everyday life between the two is different). Sinn Fein doesn't have an answer, they appeal to the Romanticism of a united Ireland, that is how they acheive power.
Anothern example is that between 1945-the start of the troubles, the IRA had no support in the North whatsoever. Why? Because life in N.Ireland was superior to its Southern counterpart.
However when Catholics in the North got an education and seen that they were being discriminated against, they protested (and rightly so). The IRA used this sense of discrimination to fuel a terrorist campaign when the only thing Catholics wanted was equal status in Northern Ireland. My people (protestants) were dumb shitheads in those days.
Old and wise said:Hey, I spent 2 weeks in Ireland this year and both the north and south have made wonderful progress over what it was 22 years ago when I was there last. I wish the U.S. could get along with the rest of the world as well as the Irish are getting along with each other. And the economy in both parts of Ireland would put the U.S. to shame.
Keep it up, you are doing great.:2wave:
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