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The NEW ERA: Scrutinize the Mainstream Media

I'm not talking about other incidents in this siege. I'm talking about that particular report on that specific video.
With, as already outlined, you clearly not understanding that particular incident at all and having preferred to substitute your own fantastical view for what anybody else could see.
 
If you read carefully, you'll see that what you said is irrelevant to the OP.
I'm not talking about insurrection or the cause of that event.

I'm talking about how the media is twisting and taking things out of context to suit their narrative.

Please read post #2!

This isn't about Trump. Can you please try to move on past Trump? :)
For somebody twisting what others can see in the vid of post #1, you sure have a nerve in throwing around accusations.

Only one appearing to not see the irony of this being YOU.

:rolleyes:
 
Again, you're missing the point.

I understand that people will get different take from that. It proves my point for post #2.
I, too, roll my eyes at some of the reporting, but as a point, what you seem to be concentrating on pales magnificently in comparison to insurrection against the United States.
 
All I'm saying......SCRUTINIZE WHAT IS BEING REPORTED!
Don't be too quick to take it as a fact.


I'd given those two samples above -


they are caused for serious concern since media (like how it is being used by Communist CHINA for PROPAGANDA), isn't far from that.

We see it now!


a lot of progressive types don't care whether its fact or not, if it sells their narrative.
 
More and more, Trump supporters seem to be the trying to prove that they aren't insane.

Hopes and prayers in their struggles.
 
The lawyer accused Smerocnish guy of taking his words out of context - which is true! Since when is saying someone "shouldn't be in office" be the equivalent of inciting?
:lol:

When the context is talking to a furious mob gathered for the purpose of storming the capitol to prevent their lawful vote counting and try to overthrow the election to install trump as president again. They knew enough not to say 'go kill them', but the incitement was clear, 'go fight like hell at the capitol to stop the stealing of the country by corrupt Congress'. Oh, and stop it peacefully and non-violently, ya right.


And we thought what happened to Kavanaugh, and all people accused of harassment that happened 10 or 20 years ago - reputations tarnished, or some even lost their jobs WITHOUT ANY TRIAL IN COURT, was bad enough? Obviously, we haven't seen nothing yet.

What happened to Kavanaugh? What happened was by Kavanaugh to the country, and it was that he lied, not about harassment but about assault. The issue isn't that he drunkenly assaulted a woman long ago, it's that he lied about it as a Supreme Court nominee.
 
What happened to Kavanaugh? What happened was by Kavanaugh to the country, and it was that he lied, not about harassment but about assault. The issue isn't that he drunkenly assaulted a woman long ago, it's that he lied about it as a Supreme Court nominee.


Kavanaugh wasn't tried in court. He was tried by opinion of some people whose motives were dubious.
Your allegation does not necessarily mean he was guilty. That's not democracy.

Many people suffered from the trend started by the Me Too movement.
 
I, too, roll my eyes at some of the reporting, but as a point, what you seem to be concentrating on pales magnificently in comparison to insurrection against the United States.


I'm not trying to make any comparison. There isn't any comparison because they are two different issues!
The insurrection that happened doesn't excuse the media from giving false information!

What I'm talking about may not be so impirtant to you.....but it is to me. It should be important for all of us who loves our democracy.
Did you read post #2? This part
:


This morning with Smerconish on CNN, the anchor was interviewing a former lawyer of Trump. The anchor was accusing the lawyer of inciting the crowd. He played a clip of what the lawyer was saying to a crowd an event (I don't know when or where it was taken). The lawyer said (referring to Pence).....something like, anyone who doesn't stand up for it shouldn't be in office. "SHOULDN'T BE IN OFFICE," was apparently the phrase that this moron anchor thinks incited the crowd. He said, "look how the mob responded, listen to what they say..." It was the clip that mob was chanting "hang Pence, hang Pence." The lawyer accused Smerocnish guy of taking his words out of context - which is true! Since when is saying someone "shouldn't be in office" be the equivalent of inciting?

You know what the anchor said? And, this is what's scary - because this is the mentality that could spring up from this "new era:" It may not be what you mean, but that's how it was taken." How is that the lawyer's fault?

Look, moronic anchor, we have no control over what people think....or, how they want to interpret what is being said!
UNLESS of course, you want to take control of that too!


Like how I take the messaging by CNN about that video shown above! I'm sure others would have a different take on it!


Should I say that CNN anchor is inciting blacks (BLM) and Antifa to do a payback?
Are you MEDIA inciting RACIAL WAR between colored and white people?

Can you see down the road with this kind of mentality? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING!


This is a new era. - at least they got that right!


It is an era so close to how Communists deal with any dissenting voice.
You could find yourself facing unjustified charges, and be penalized for whatever it is "they" consider a "crime."
Trumped-up charges.....no pun intended.
 
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When the context is talking to a furious mob gathered for the purpose of storming the capitol to prevent their lawful vote counting and try to overthrow the election to install trump as president again. They knew enough not to say 'go kill them', but the incitement was clear, 'go fight like hell at the capitol to stop the stealing of the country by corrupt Congress'. Oh, and stop it peacefully and non-violently, ya right.

I think you missed the point.

"Go fight like hell," doesn't necessarily mean inciting an insurrection. It doesn't have to mean, violence. It is a figure of speech.


We have no control over what people think....or, how they want to interpret what is being said!

UNLESS, we want to take control too, of how people think!

That's what the media is trying to do!
It is promoting a particular narrative that
they want everyone to think.





If you think that, then what about the comedienne who showed a decapitated Trump head on social media.....would we say she's inciting an assassination on the President of the USA? Was that a threat?

If I think the way you do, then I should take the messaging of CNN to be an incitement of RACIAL WAR!


But like I said, you missed the point.
This kind of mentality means.......it's dangerous for us to say anything.
We cannot freely voice out our dissent. We cannot give an opposing view. What we say can be twisted and taken out of context.


It is an era so close to how Communists deal with any dissenting voice.
You could find yourself facing unjustified charges, and be penalized for whatever it is "they" consider a "crime."
Trumped-up charges
.....no pun intended.

Look how you convicted Kavanaugh with nothing but allegations!



And we thought what happened to Kavanaugh, and all people accused of harassment that happened 10 or 20 years ago - reputations tarnished, or some even lost their jobs WITHOUT ANY TRIAL IN COURT, was bad enough? Obviously, we haven't seen nothing yet.
 
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I think you missed the point.

"Go fight like hell," doesn't necessarily mean inciting an insurrection. It doesn't have to mean, violence. It is a figure of speech.

If you think that, then what about the comedienne who showed a decapitated Trump head on social media.....would we say she's inciting an assassination on the President of the USA? Was that a threat?

This kind of mentality means.......it's dangerous for us to say anything.
We cannot freely voice out our dissent. We cannot give an opposing view. What we say can be twisted and taken out of context.


It is an era so close to how Communists deal with any dissenting voice.
You could find yourself facing unjustified charges, and be penalized for whatever it is "they" consider a "crime."
Trumped-up charges
.....no pun intended.

Look how you convicted Kavanaugh with nothing but allegations!



And we thought what happened to Kavanaugh, and all people accused of harassment that happened 10 or 20 years ago - reputations tarnished, or some even lost their jobs WITHOUT ANY TRIAL IN COURT, was bad enough? Obviously, we haven't seen nothing yet.

No, you missed the point. "Go fight like hell" alone doesn't mean violence. In context -which you asked for but don't actually want - it does. Talking to an actual crowd of people known to include right-wing militia type people, telling them their country is being stolen and they need to 'stop the steal', and telling them to march on the capitol where the votes are being counted and prevent the process, is calling for violence.

As people like Michael Cohen have long said about trump, he 'uses code words' to ask for illegal things to try to be able to lie about what he said. In this case, the meaning is clear, since nothing but violence had a chance to prevent the vote counting process as trump asked them to. Just marching to the capitol peacefully would do nothing to 'fight like hell' or stop the certification. Only violence would.

It's eerily similar to the Reichstag fire incident in the German legislature building with finger pointing on the blame Nazis used to create chaos and seize power.

The comedian wasn't talking to a mob with many militia types next to the White House asking them to storm it. If she were, the context would be very different, and she would be more liable for actually suggesting violence to the president. As it is, she obviously was not, but was showing he opinion of trump. Nothing about that threatened any violence to trump, whether you like her opinion or not.

Your saying it's like communist repression that trump actually inciting insurrection is treated as the crime it is is absurd. trump has called for violence and abuse of power for years. His rallies for years have included things like the mobs chanting to lock up trump's political opponents - that is the repression you talk about, threatening to lock up innocent political opponents. That's how communists seized power.

On Kavanaugh - "sorry, ma'am, you didn't have a video camera in your bedroom recording the assault, so we can't do anything." People need to evaluate the credibility of each of the people and determine the truth. And she was extremely credible as even Republicans had to admit. The standard wasn't a criminal conviction, it was trying to find the truth in your opinion. And he did it, and he lied about it.

Look at a few differences between, say, that and the attacks on Bill Clinton alleging he assaulted women. Ford was a very credible, independent witness who very reluctantly came forward, and who experts said looked very much like her story was true.

Clinton had an army of right-wing operatives and lawyers spending years trying to dig up any dirt on him they could, offering bounties all across Arkansas for any dirt, and so there were financial incentives and very partisan motives to lie - and yet, it's still possible he DID do something wrong, but nothing like the credible allegation came forward.

At best, partisan blinders are hugely coloring your viewing of the incidents. A worse possibility is that you are knowingly spreading disinformation just because you're being partisan for your team. The point isn't that Kavanaugh committed assault as a drunk young man; that wouldn't and shouldn't keep him off the bench. The point was that now, he lied about it, showing him unfit to sit on the court.
 
Kavanaugh wasn't tried in court. He was tried by opinion of some people whose motives were dubious.
Your allegation does not necessarily mean he was guilty. That's not democracy.

Many people suffered from the trend started by the Me Too movement.

How were Ford's motives dubious? They were the opposite of dubious, and very credible.
 
No, you missed the point. "Go fight like hell" alone doesn't mean violence. In context -which you asked for but don't actually want - it does. Talking to an actual crowd of people known to include right-wing militia type people, telling them their country is being stolen and they need to 'stop the steal', and telling them to march on the capitol where the votes are being counted and prevent the process, is calling for violence.

As people like Michael Cohen have long said about trump, he 'uses code words' to ask for illegal things to try to be able to lie about what he said. In this case, the meaning is clear, since nothing but violence had a chance to prevent the vote counting process as trump asked them to. Just marching to the capitol peacefully would do nothing to 'fight like hell' or stop the certification. Only violence would.

It's eerily similar to the Reichstag fire incident in the German legislature building with finger pointing on the blame Nazis used to create chaos and seize power.

The comedian wasn't talking to a mob with many militia types next to the White House asking them to storm it. If she were, the context would be very different, and she would be more liable for actually suggesting violence to the president. As it is, she obviously was not, but was showing he opinion of trump. Nothing about that threatened any violence to trump, whether you like her opinion or not.
:rolleyes:

The comedienne was talking to the mob!

Lol....she was in social media, for crying out loud!

She's talking to everyone WORLD-WIDE!
Lol, she was seen even by
JIHADISTS!

By lunatics.....and radical leftists! By Trump-haters!

Lol, it doesn't have to be militia!
:)


What was she saying? Kill this president? Behead Trump?



You also forgot all about the protests against the President?
Oh yeah, they were happening practically everyday- got so common - that they weren't news anymore! :ROFLMAO:






Your saying it's like communist repression that trump actually inciting insurrection is treated as the crime it is is absurd. trump has called for violence and abuse of power for years. His rallies for years have included things like the mobs chanting to lock up trump's political opponents - that is the repression you talk about, threatening to lock up innocent political opponents. That's how communists seized power.

No, I'm talking about the media! How the media reports news!

I simply gave the latest on the media (which happens to be Trump-related incidents) because they're the latest!
But this OP has nothing to do with Trump!





How were Ford's motives dubious? They were the opposite of dubious, and very credible.

On Kavanaugh - "sorry, ma'am, you didn't have a video camera in your bedroom recording the assault, so we can't do anything." People need to evaluate the credibility of each of the people and determine the truth. And she was extremely credible as even Republicans had to admit. The standard wasn't a criminal conviction, it was trying to find the truth in your opinion. And he did it, and he lied about it.



At best, partisan blinders are hugely coloring your viewing of the incidents. A worse possibility is that you are knowingly spreading disinformation just because you're being partisan for your team. The point isn't that Kavanaugh committed assault as a drunk young man; that wouldn't and shouldn't keep him off the bench. The point was that now, he lied about it, showing him unfit to sit on the court.

:)

No matter what you say about Kavanagh - he wasn't tried in any court.

You've convicted him with nothing but allegations.

That's not how it's done in a democracy!

You can thank the leftist propaganda media for that, too!

I'm telling you.....we're losing our democracy!



If you can't grasp and understand my issue, I don't think there's any point for us to keep batting over this.
Obviously, we're not even on the same page!

Bye for now.
 
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The comedienne was talking to the mob!


No, she wasn't. There was no mob of people grouped standing there close to trump ready to march on him and try to kill him, like there was with trump.



No matter what you say about Kavanagh - he wasn't tried in any court.

He wasn't criminally charged. He wasn't at risk for criminal conviction at his hearing. He was at a hearing for his fitness for the position. He lied and was not fit.
 
No, she wasn't. There was no mob of people grouped standing there close to trump ready to march on him and try to kill him, like there was with trump.


He wasn't criminally charged. He wasn't at risk for criminal conviction at his hearing. He was at a hearing for his fitness for the position. He lied and was not fit.

We've talked about those already. I said this topic is about the media and how it operates (see the OP and post #2).
If you want to keep that up, pls create a separate thread for it.

Now, let's get back on topic.
 
A group of people publicly stated they are storming the capital as a revolution and intending to kill politicians in an attempt to overthrow our government and destroy democracy and possibly cause a civil war and sell information to our foreign enemies while murdering and assaulting police officers.

And what pisses you off about this is the media made them look bad........................by reporting it. That is what pisses you off about this?

And in your mind a comedian making a joke, and thousands of people attempting to murder politicians to overthrow the US government are equally bad?

I don't know the extent of your education, but you were severely failed if this is what you consider critical thinking skills or logic.
THousands of people attempting murder......lol

Can credibility drop below zero I wonder. Facts don’t matter to political shills and zealots only the narrative.
 

Most if not all of the time, there was only one guy from the mob who went close to the guard (and he talked to the guard) - the others seem to be staying back! The guard stopped to talk to them every now and then, considering he was just by himself .....therefore, I don't think he even felt threatened.

Media makes it look like they were going to lynch this black guard! That's what I get from this news reporting.

She was lying blatantly to our face. CNN is so blatant now about giving disinformation!

What a load of BS

Here a unbiased and true retelling of what happened. The Capitol is sacred ground for all Americans and simply breaking into it is an attack of our Democracy, which is sacred to all Americans.

The storming of the United States Capitol was a riot and violent attack against the 117th United States Congress at the Capitol. It was carried out by a mob of supporters of Donald Trump in an attempt to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election. The riot led to the evacuation and lockdown of the Capitol and caused 5 deaths.

Called to action by Trump, thousand of his supporters gathered on January 6th in support of his claim that the 2020 election had been "stolen" from him and to demand that Vice President Pence and Congress reject the President-elect Joe Biden victory. On that morning at a "SAve America" rally, Trump repeated false claims of election irregularities and urged the crowd to "fight like hell". At the president's encouragement, thousands of protestors then walked to the Capitol where a joint session of Congress was beginning.

Many of the crown at the Capitol breached police perimeters and stormed the building. These rioters occupied, vandalized and looted parts of the building for several hours. Many became violent, assaulting Capitol Police officers and reporters, erecting a gallows on the Capitol grounds, and attempting to locate lawmakes to take hostage and harm. They chanted "Hang Mike Pence", blaming him for not rejecting the Electoral College votes, although he lacked the constitutional authority to do so. The rioters targeted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, vandalizing and looting her offices.

I find your OP offensive and insulting.
 
Last week on CNN, they showed a clip of a video taken during the siege of the Capitol. The anchor warned of scary image of "a black guard being chased by the mob." Of course, that got my attention. I was thinking the worse. So I watched the clip.


What was shown was a lone black guard blocking the mob in the hallway. The mob were shouting, wanting to proceed - the guard was holding out his hand, gesturing and talking to them. He was inching and stepping back, and as he stepped back the mob also stepped forward. He then stepped back up the steps of the stairs, the mob following him. THERE WAS NO REAL CHASE! It was a natural movement of a persistent mob (in a situation like this), wanting to go upstairs and proceed. Finally, the guard just gave up, turned around and semi-walked/run upstairs - he wasn't really running! The mob walked upstairs too.


Most if not all of the time, there was only one guy from the mob who went close to the guard (and he talked to the guard) - the others seem to be staying back! The guard stopped to talk to them every now and then, considering he was just by himself .....therefore, I don't think he even felt threatened.


I can understand that in situations like this, it can get hairy since the situation is fluid - things can go sideways fast. But that's part of a cop's everyday life when they answer to calls, or confront anyone!


Media makes it look like they were going to lynch this black guard! That's what I get from this news reporting.







What's so outrageous was that the anchor still stuck to her narrative about that "SCARY" event for the black guard being "CHASED" by the mob!


She was lying blatantly to our face. CNN is so blatant now about giving disinformation!


Wow!

One black guy facing a mob of white racist?

Damn right he was scared!

They had already beat up a bunch of cops and beat one to death with a fire extinguisher
 
The Point = when a person violates the law and/or regulations etc etc they have asked for an investigation into their activities .......... bottom line no matter how some wish to spin.

Yes an investigation must take place. How many times does Trump get away with extortion? We citizens deserve a special investigator then a special prosecutor. Crimes committed by elected officials should not be swept under the rug no matter their party affiliation.

EXCEPT that Biden has said he would not want to investigate a former president because it would be too devisive etc etc etc. Screw that ....... elected officials are already granted privileges it seems that allow them to go NOT investigated.

Congress should never be an investigative body for any crime or civil infraction also.

There is hard evidence which I say warrants a Federal Grand Jury hearing.

No more sweeping under the rug for elected officials.

I also am curious if or how many elected officials invested in the vaccine procurement....insider trading?

This crap about a president wandering about the country and the media claiming voter fraud
is abuse of power and mis-use of tax dollars.

INVESTIGATE TRUMP as often as his behavior warrants......




 
If you read carefully, you'll see that what you said is irrelevant to the OP.
I'm not talking about insurrection or the cause of that event.

I'm talking about how the media is twisting and taking things out of context to suit their narrative.

Please read post #2!

This isn't about Trump. Can you please try to move on past Trump? :)
Oh for the love of christ.... This is all about Trump and his insane violent cultists trying to overthrow the nation, and instead of understanding the gravity of that, you make it into some petty little snit you have against CNN.

You are so lost...

(but, you are using multiple colors and fonts and bolded letters, so you must be listened to....)
 
Continuation of OP:


This morning with Smerconish on CNN, the anchor was interviewing a former lawyer of Trump. The anchor was accusing the lawyer of inciting the crowd. He played a clip of what the lawyer was saying to a crowd an event (I don't know when or where it was taken). The lawyer said (referring to Pence).....something like, anyone who doesn't stand up for it shouldn't be in office. "SHOULDN'T BE IN OFFICE," was apparently the phrase that this moron anchor thinks incited the crowd. He said, "look how the mob responded, listen to what they say..." It was the clip that mob was chanting "hang Pence, hang Pence." The lawyer accused Smerocnish guy of taking his words out of context - which is true! Since when is saying someone "shouldn't be in office" be the equivalent of inciting?
:lol:



You know what the anchor said? And, this is what's scary - because this is the mentality that could spring up from this "new era:" It may not be what you mean, but that's how it was taken." How is that the lawyer's fault?


How many among us here had said Trudeau shouldn't be in office - and there was that army guy they caught trying to get to Trudeau's residence. Could it be that he read our posts here and he took our message to mean that he should pay a visit to Trudeau. Are we guilty of incitement?


What about that comedienne who showed a decapitated Trump head on social media. No one from CNN found that to be an incitement of violence towards the President. Heck, they made it even to be Trump's fault!
:lol:





Look, moronic anchor, we have no control over what people think....or, how they want to interpret what is being said!
UNLESS of course, you want to take control of that too!


Like how I take the messaging by CNN about that video shown above! I'm sure others would have a different take on it!


Should I say that CNN anchor is inciting blacks (BLM) and Antifa to do a payback?
Are you MEDIA inciting RACIAL WAR between colored and white people?




Can you see down the road with this kind of mentality? YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING!


This is a new era. - at least they got that right!


It is an era so close to how Communists deal with any dissenting voice.
You could find yourself facing unjustified charges, and be penalized for whatever it is "they" consider a "crime." Trumped-up charges.....no pun intended.



And we thought what happened to Kavanaugh, and all people accused of harassment that happened 10 or 20 years ago - reputations tarnished, or some even lost their jobs WITHOUT ANY TRIAL IN COURT, was bad enough? Obviously, we haven't seen nothing yet.
And how does the right deal with dissenting voices? We all watched how they deal with them on january the sixth when they were in the capitol chanting hang mike pence. Sorta' reminds me of the good folks who were chanting jews will not replace us, just your typical trump supporter of today. Yeah, it's all the fault of the mainstream media.
 
Wow!

One black guy facing a mob of white racist?

Damn right he was scared!

They had already beat up a bunch of cops and beat one to death with a fire extinguisher


I'm looking at the video - sure, he must've been scared facing a mob.....but, I don't see anyone actually chasing him as CNN and (others)
would want us to believe! In fact, I see him stopping every now and then and one of the mob was talking to him. The others were not close to him.

The report was not accurate! They put a slant to it!

Seems to me, CNN is inciting a racial war!
 
Oh for the love of christ.... This is all about Trump and his insane violent cultists trying to overthrow the nation, and instead of understanding the gravity of that, you make it into some petty little snit you have against CNN.

You are so lost...

(but, you are using multiple colors and fonts and bolded letters, so you must be listened to....)

If you insist to want it about Trump......................................goodbye.


You and I have nothing to discuss.

Lol....you know more about the author of the OP on what issue it's all about!



GET OVER TRUMP!
Create a separate thread for Trump! I don't want this thread to be about him.
 
Last week on CNN, they showed a clip of a video taken during the siege of the Capitol. The anchor warned of scary image of "a black guard being chased by the mob." Of course, that got my attention. I was thinking the worse. So I watched the clip.


What was shown was a lone black guard blocking the mob in the hallway. The mob were shouting, wanting to proceed - the guard was holding out his hand, gesturing and talking to them. He was inching and stepping back, and as he stepped back the mob also stepped forward. He then stepped back up the steps of the stairs, the mob following him. THERE WAS NO REAL CHASE! It was a natural movement of a persistent mob (in a situation like this), wanting to go upstairs and proceed. Finally, the guard just gave up, turned around and semi-walked/run upstairs - he wasn't really running! The mob walked upstairs too.


Most if not all of the time, there was only one guy from the mob who went close to the guard (and he talked to the guard) - the others seem to be staying back! The guard stopped to talk to them every now and then, considering he was just by himself .....therefore, I don't think he even felt threatened.


I can understand that in situations like this, it can get hairy since the situation is fluid - things can go sideways fast. But that's part of a cop's everyday life when they answer to calls, or confront anyone!


Media makes it look like they were going to lynch this black guard! That's what I get from this news reporting.







What's so outrageous was that the anchor still stuck to her narrative about that "SCARY" event for the black guard being "CHASED" by the mob!


She was lying blatantly to our face. CNN is so blatant now about giving disinformation!

Media Bias Fact check shows the huge majority of the MSM are biased to the left and unfair in their reporting. Polls prove that Americans have not trusted the media for decades, even before Fox News and the like ever came into existence.
 
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