The New Distinguished Warfare Medal.....

[MMC]

New medal for modern warfare sparks strong reaction.....

KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The news that a medal has been created to honor the “extraordinary actions” of drone pilots and other servicemembers acting far from the battlefield has triggered strong reactions about medals and their value.

In one of his last official acts, outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Wednesday announced the creation of the Distinguished Warfare Medal, to recognize “extraordinary achievements that directly impact on combat operations, but do not involve acts of valor or physical risks that combat entails.”

The medal will rank immediately below the Distinguished Flying Cross — and higher than the Bronze Star — in order of precedence, according to a Defense Department chart. It can be awarded for any actions after Sept. 11, 2001.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars voiced its displeasure in a statement Thursday, declaring that the 2 million-member organization “is in total disagreement” with the decision to have the new Distinguished Warfare Medal outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, adding that it could “quickly deteriorate into a morale issue.”

For its part, the Air Force was apparently not eager to allow servicemembers in Afghanistan to express their thoughts about the new medal. The Air Force Public Affairs Office would not allow a Stars and Stripes reporter to gather comments from airmen at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan.....snip~

New medal for modern warfare sparks strong reaction - News - Stripes

I can't believe this.....A Distinguished Medal that would outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. For people who will never be in Combat. Panetta is a straight up azz for doing this. Note how the Putz-Azz Democrat would even try to create divisions within our Military Armed Forces and Ranks.

Damn Right for those of us who Served in Combat. Why in the hell would the Top Brass and Joint Chiefs even allow this BS to go thru? Why Can't Panetta just go away. He don't have to go away mad. Just go away!

Obviously this would be more of a Concern for those of us who have served in COMBAT. Where many never received any Recognition. Also I am not saying these guys don't desrve anything. I just don't think it should be recognized as a Distinguished Medal. Thoughts from my Bruthas and Cuzins?

 

[APACHERAT]

New medal for modern warfare sparks strong reaction.....

KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany — The news that a medal has been created to honor the “extraordinary actions” of drone pilots and other servicemembers acting far from the battlefield has triggered strong reactions about medals and their value.

In one of his last official acts, outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Wednesday announced the creation of the Distinguished Warfare Medal, to recognize “extraordinary achievements that directly impact on combat operations, but do not involve acts of valor or physical risks that combat entails.”

The medal will rank immediately below the Distinguished Flying Cross — and higher than the Bronze Star — in order of precedence, according to a Defense Department chart. It can be awarded for any actions after Sept. 11, 2001.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars voiced its displeasure in a statement Thursday, declaring that the 2 million-member organization “is in total disagreement” with the decision to have the new Distinguished Warfare Medal outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, adding that it could “quickly deteriorate into a morale issue.”

For its part, the Air Force was apparently not eager to allow servicemembers in Afghanistan to express their thoughts about the new medal. The Air Force Public Affairs Office would not allow a Stars and Stripes reporter to gather comments from airmen at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan.....snip~

New medal for modern warfare sparks strong reaction - News - Stripes

I can't believe this.....A Distinguished Medal that would outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart. For people who will never be in Combat. Panetta is a straight up azz for doing this. Note how the Putz-Azz Democrat would even try to create divisions within our Military Armed Forces and Ranks.

Damn Right for those of us who Served in Combat. Why in the hell would the Top Brass and Joint Chiefs even allow this BS to go thru? Why Can't Panetta just go away. He don't have to go away mad. Just go away!

Obviously this would be more of a Concern for those of us who have served in COMBAT. Where many never received any Recognition. Also I am not saying these guys don't desrve anything. I just don't think it should be recognized as a Distinguished Medal. Thoughts from my Bruthas and Cuzins?

I concur 100 %.

Just another slap in the face for all who ever "been there and done that." Just more political correctness, dumbing down how we recognise those who gone in to harms way.

 

[MMC]

I concur 100 %.

Just another slap in the face for all who ever "been there and done that." Just more political correctness, dumbing down how we recognise those who gone in to harms way.

Critics also have derided the medal as redundant, given that awards for technical expertise and/or meritorious service outside war zones exist in the array of medals the services already offer.....snip~

As it states here there are awards they could get already. I see now this is the US Air and Space Command and had their full backing. Notice how they throw in Space in there now too. Why would the Air Force push for this with Panetta?

I just don't get it? They are not dropped behind enemy lines. They experience none of what we do while in the chit. Bet their heart-rates and adrenalin flow aren't affected like ours. Nor do they have to deal with any battle-craze.

 

[Rainman05]

I actually disagree with you MMC.

Though it is true that drone warfare presents little risk to the actual user of the drone, who stays safe in his base playing with his toys, this is the future of warfare.
There will always be a need for infantry, tanks and planes and choppers, but the new kid on the block, these drones, are the new powerhouse. It is important to recognize the future ahead of others if you want to be one leading the charge.

It has been shown repetedly in history that this will always lead to military superiority.

Like Napoleon who was, among other things, a great military engineer and knew how to work cannons and how to make them better. Like Hitler who recognized the power of armored warfare and reformed armored doctrine from cavalry and infantry tanks to light/medium/heavy tanks and had achieved great success. Like the US Army recognized helicopters to be the next big thing that would help them achieve air supremacy. Then ofc, stealth planes and so on and so forth.
Drones are the new thing and professional drone pilots should be recognized and awarded. Yes, with this there is more distance than ever between soldier and target. But the history of warfare points to this doesn't it? From swords and spears to flint muskets and automatic weapons and artillery. The capacity to strike from afar has always been better and preferable to the close approach.

 

[MMC]

I actually disagree with you MMC.

Though it is true that drone warfare presents little risk to the actual user of the drone, who stays safe in his base playing with his toys, this is the future of warfare.
There will always be a need for infantry, tanks and planes and choppers, but the new kid on the block, these drones, are the new powerhouse. It is important to recognize the future ahead of others if you want to be one leading the charge.

It has been shown repetedly in history that this will always lead to military superiority.

Like Napoleon who was, among other things, a great military engineer and knew how to work cannons and how to make them better. Like Hitler who recognized the power of armored warfare and reformed armored doctrine from cavalry and infantry tanks to light/medium/heavy tanks and had achieved great success. Like the US Army recognized helicopters to be the next big thing that would help them achieve air supremacy. Then ofc, stealth planes and so on and so forth.
Drones are the new thing and professional drone pilots should be recognized and awarded. Yes, with this there is more distance than ever between soldier and target. But the history of warfare points to this doesn't it? From swords and spears to flint muskets and automatic weapons and artillery. The capacity to strike from afar has always been better and preferable to the close approach.

Ah RM, my friend.....don't get me wrong. I am not saying that these guys don't deserve any awards or recognition. As I think they do. Its the Ranking of the Award that has my azz chappin at the bit. Putting it above a Bronze Star is just out right ridiculous. Purple Heart was created by George Washington. IMO it should be below these and there shouldn't even be any question.....as to why.

 

[Rainman05]

Ah RM, my friend.....don't get me wrong. I am not saying that these guys don't deserve any awards or recognition. As I think they do. Its the Ranking of the Award that has my azz chappin at the bit. Putting it above a Bronze Star is just out right ridiculous. Purple Heart was created by George Washington. IMO it should be below these and there shouldn't even be any question.....as to why.

Oh, well, I don't have a pretty good understanding of military medals and awards. I thought they were all pretty much on the same level except the purple heart which I know is the best and the most important. Or so it is popularized in TV shows and such.

So yeah, I don't have any comment on the ranking of the medal just that it should exist for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[MMC]

Oh, well, I don't have a pretty good understanding of military medals and awards. I thought they were all pretty much on the same level except the purple heart which I know is the best and the most important. Or so it is popularized in TV shows and such.

So yeah, I don't have any comment on the ranking of the medal just that it should exist for the aforementioned reasons.

Yep, Purple Hearts are for those who have been Wounded in Battle.....which in the creation of this Medal, there is cost. Besides Panetta wanting to make a name for himself. Amazing that Obama is cutting the Military and talks about how more cuts need to be made. Yet then would agree with Panetta on the Creation of New Award. Especially when we already have other awards that can be given.

I am surprised that many of Vets haven't weighed in. Alsready the Onion has some fuuny stuff out mocking it, plus other Armed Services have been sounding off on the issue.

 

[notquiteright]

Yep, Purple Hearts are for those who have been Wounded in Battle.....which in the creation of this Medal, there is cost. Besides Panetta wanting to make a name for himself. Amazing that Obama is cutting the Military and talks about how more cuts need to be made. Yet then would agree with Panetta on the Creation of New Award. Especially when we already have other awards that can be given.

I am surprised that many of Vets haven't weighed in. Alsready the Onion has some fuuny stuff out mocking it, plus other Armed Services have been sounding off on the issue.

Well, can't speak for others but for me I'm just waiting for the bogus partisan political crap to slow down a bit before commenting. If the howlers would review the constant parade of promoting the pogues over the grunts since the M16 was introduced this isn't a liberal plot against those who step onto the two way range.

I'll let you hyper-partisans spew a bit more then I'll comment.

Scouts Out! eace

 

[MMC]

Well, can't speak for others but for me I'm just waiting for the bogus partisan political crap to slow down a bit before commenting. If the howlers would review the constant parade of promoting the pogues over the grunts since the M16 was introduced this isn't a liberal plot against those who step onto the two way range.

I'll let you hyper-partisans spew a bit more then I'll comment.

Scouts Out! eace

The Veterans of Foreign Wars voiced its displeasure in a statement Thursday, declaring that the 2 million-member organization “is in total disagreement” with the decision to have the new Distinguished Warfare Medal outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, adding that it could “quickly deteriorate into a morale issue.”.....snip~

“So medals would be awarded for sitting safely ensconced in a bunker on U.S. soil and launching bombs with a video joystick at human beings thousands of miles away,” wrote commentator Glenn Greenwald for Salon.com in a July 2012, column when talk of the medal first surfaced.

Critics also have derided the medal as redundant, given that awards for technical expertise and/or meritorious service outside war zones exist in the array of medals the services already offer.....snip~

Yeah I can see those Hyper-partisans too. Especially with Salon.com weighing in and the VFW. Although I tend to go with more on the issue that there is no intangible or immediate risk to life or limb. Since there is no politics in that point.

 

[notquiteright]

The Veterans of Foreign Wars voiced its displeasure in a statement Thursday, declaring that the 2 million-member organization “is in total disagreement” with the decision to have the new Distinguished Warfare Medal outrank the Bronze Star and Purple Heart, adding that it could “quickly deteriorate into a morale issue.”.....snip~

“So medals would be awarded for sitting safely ensconced in a bunker on U.S. soil and launching bombs with a video joystick at human beings thousands of miles away,” wrote commentator Glenn Greenwald for Salon.com in a July 2012, column when talk of the medal first surfaced.

Critics also have derided the medal as redundant, given that awards for technical expertise and/or meritorious service outside war zones exist in the array of medals the services already offer.....snip~

Yeah I can see those Hyper-partisans too. Especially with Salon.com weighing in and the VFW. Although I tend to go with more on the issue that there is no intangible or immediate risk to life or limb. Since there is no politics in that point.

No Dude, don't deflect...the hyper-partisanship YOU display attempting to color all things liberal in this.

No doubt many of us think ranking the award above ANY medal earned in combat is bogus, but your blaming 'liberals' for this is absurd! Do you have any idea of the history of pogue promotion over the combat arm of the military?

It ain't a liberal thing my high biased friend....

 

[MMC]

No Dude, don't deflect...the hyper-partisanship YOU display attempting to color all things liberal in this.

No doubt many of us think ranking the award above ANY medal earned in combat is bogus, but your blaming 'liberals' for this is absurd! Do you have any idea of the history of pogue promotion over the combat arm of the military?

It ain't a liberal thing my high biased friend....

Well as far as the OP is concerned it says Panetta a Democrat is doing this going out the door. Which we know he has to confer with the Commander in Chief another Democrat in doing so. So despite whatever partisanship you see. This doesn't change those facts.....my friend.

 

[notquiteright]

Well as far as the OP is concerned it says Panetta a Democrat is doing this going out the door. Which we know he has to confer with the Commander in Chief another Democrat in doing so. So despite whatever partisanship you see. This doesn't change those facts.....my friend.

The President is black as well... does that factor in? No Sir it doesn't, and if you had half a clue about what has been the history to this sort of thing you'd leave the political affiliation outside the door.

But of course you can't.

Back when I was a young June Bug there was rumor of a special combat uniform to help with esprit d'corps in the combat arms shrinking wing of the military. That became the BDU and soon every REMF was wearing it. That was done while Reagan was President.

The ACU was developed to replace the BDU when effective body armor was adopted. It has a different collar, and lacks lower pockets that wouldn't be available if you wear a vest or body armor in the jacket. (it also has pockets on the arm and leg for those sitting in vehicles alot.) Now every REMF wears it and they will NEVER wear body armor. That was done while BushII was president.

Another crap deal done during the BushII years- ever since the 60's there was talk of a beret for the Infantry. (FYI the black beret was a tanker beret before it was a Ranger beret, to then be an Army wide beret) Something to give the grunts a bit of distinction. The black beret was taken away from the Rangers and given to everyone in the army.

So as far as slighting those who are the minority of the troops doing the majority of the bleeding and dying the face slaps have been a steady drumbeat for as long as I served, and continue to the present. (and very much a Republican fetish)

Now my thought on the drone medal. I too believe there are enough medals that fit the bill for drone operators, I have noted in my travels the 'zoomies' sure have a lot of splash on their chests that seem more technical awards than medal worthy. The Army has the ARCOM, a medal for distinguished service not in battle, perhaps the AirForce could rank their drone award as such, equal to an ARCOM. Now if it has to be above a more traditional combat medal, perhaps above the Purple Heart but below a Bronze Star, with V for valor.

We called the Purple Heart the 'Turtle Award'. Back before effective body armor the prone position was THE fighting position while out on patrol. Guys, usually the newbies, who would crane their heads up high to see OVER the concealment as apposed to through or around looked just like pond turtles stretching up to breathe. So yanno I smile everytime I see the Turtle moniker.

Sooooo the history of 'advancements' in the military has been to boost the morale of the pogues and let the grunts just FIDO.

 

[Thoreau72]

I never cared much for Panetta, even years ago.

No surprise that such a stupid idea would be brought out on his watch. Good riddance, I say.

Fraudulent medal, meant to glorify the fraudulent Global War On Terror.

 

[MMC]

The President is black as well... does that factor in? No Sir it doesn't, and if you had half a clue about what has been the history to this sort of thing you'd leave the political affiliation outside the door.

But of course you can't.

Back when I was a young June Bug there was rumor of a special combat uniform to help with esprit d'corps in the combat arms shrinking wing of the military. That became the BDU and soon every REMF was wearing it. That was done while Reagan was President.

The ACU was developed to replace the BDU when effective body armor was adopted. It has a different collar, and lacks lower pockets that wouldn't be available if you wear a vest or body armor in the jacket. (it also has pockets on the arm and leg for those sitting in vehicles alot.) Now every REMF wears it and they will NEVER wear body armor. That was done while BushII was president.

Another crap deal done during the BushII years- ever since the 60's there was talk of a beret for the Infantry. (FYI the black beret was a tanker beret before it was a Ranger beret, to then be an Army wide beret) Something to give the grunts a bit of distinction. The black beret was taken away from the Rangers and given to everyone in the army.

So as far as slighting those who are the minority of the troops doing the majority of the bleeding and dying the face slaps have been a steady drumbeat for as long as I served, and continue to the present. (and very much a Republican fetish)

Now my thought on the drone medal. I too believe there are enough medals that fit the bill for drone operators, I have noted in my travels the 'zoomies' sure have a lot of splash on their chests that seem more technical awards than medal worthy. The Army has the ARCOM, a medal for distinguished service not in battle, perhaps the AirForce could rank their drone award as such, equal to an ARCOM. Now if it has to be above a more traditional combat medal, perhaps above the Purple Heart but below a Bronze Star, with V for valor.

We called the Purple Heart the 'Turtle Award'. Back before effective body armor the prone position was THE fighting position while out on patrol. Guys, usually the newbies, who would crane their heads up high to see OVER the concealment as apposed to through or around looked just like pond turtles stretching up to breathe. So yanno I smile everytime I see the Turtle moniker.

Sooooo the history of 'advancements' in the military has been to boost the morale of the pogues and let the grunts just FIDO.

The President is white too. Or did you forget that part. So I don't see what that has to do with anything. Moreover I know what the Repubs have done in the Past as well as the Other Democrats. Also who has done more damage. Which you cannot state that it was the Republicans. So the History of it is not in contention.

Currently there is a Democratic Administration that is cutting the DOD and all the Armed Services up.....Correct? Looking to cut spending from every conceivable corner.....is this not true? Case and point rested!

Which is why I stated it in the context I did. Other than what I already pointed out. I doubt it can get anymore political over it. Yeah I know all about the Beret. But did you think that was the Republicans that wanted them distributed equally throughout the Army? Or did you forget where that actual policy began? Do you think most of 11 Bravo knows about the Beret issue?

Understanding always comes with what Politicians use.

 

[Surtr]

Thoughts from my Bruthas and Cuzins?

Meh. The recon and other services provided by these machines are very valuable downrange. I just care about winning, doesn't matter who gets some colorful 25 cent piece of ribbon for what. If that's what keeps Amy Armchair happy and productive, then do it.

 

[notquiteright]

The President is white too. Or did you forget that part. So I don't see what that has to do with anything. Moreover I know what the Repubs have done in the Past as well as the Other Democrats. Also who has done more damage. Which you cannot state that it was the Republicans. So the History of it is not in contention.

Currently there is a Democratic Administration that is cutting the DOD and all the Armed Services up.....Correct? Looking to cut spending from every conceivable corner.....is this not true? Case and point rested!

Which is why I stated it in the context I did. Other than what I already pointed out. I doubt it can get anymore political over it. Yeah I know all about the Beret. But did you think that was the Republicans that wanted them distributed equally throughout the Army? Or did you forget where that actual policy began? Do you think most of 11 Bravo knows about the Beret issue?

Understanding always comes with what Politicians use.

President Obama seems to be white to the radical right ONLY when attempting to deflect on some issue.

Do you remember BushI and the peace dividend? Fact is the military gets trimmed after every 'high operational tempo' period. What is different now is even decades after becoming the last superpower we spend as if the Barbarians are at the gates. Strawman enemies like Chinese carriers, a couple of Roosian ancient bombers, The 'need' for nuke subs to support Afghanistan????

Another difference is the budget can't afford more defense corporation welfare with no reason to be building more of what we already have far in excess of any potential enemy.

I dunno about every Grunt knowing the beret story, I DO KNOW every Ranger knows and EVERY grunt past or present i have spoken to sure does! President BushII could have easily halted the beret decision, but being as clueless as any liberal when it comes to what effect that will have in the Army.

The difference is a grunt already knows for all the BS, he is low man on the scrotum pole and will do 90% of the bleeding, so seeing pogues with berets doesn't do anything more of less other than one more thing to bitch about.

But back to my point- it doesn't matter what political party is in office when crap like this happens, and it has happened in the past enough times to make this a bipartisan affair, the fact is the stroking of pogues has been going on since uniforms first were adopted.

it only matters to those on the extreme wing of the party not in Office.... :2wave:

 

[MMC]

President Obama seems to be white to the radical right ONLY when attempting to deflect on some issue.

Do you remember BushI and the peace dividend? Fact is the military gets trimmed after every 'high operational tempo' period. What is different now is even decades after becoming the last superpower we spend as if the Barbarians are at the gates. Strawman enemies like Chinese carriers, a couple of Roosian ancient bombers, The 'need' for nuke subs to support Afghanistan????

Another difference is the budget can't afford more defense corporation welfare with no reason to be building more of what we already have far in excess of any potential enemy.

I dunno about every Grunt knowing the beret story, I DO KNOW every Ranger knows and EVERY grunt past or present i have spoken to sure does! President BushII could have easily halted the beret decision, but being as clueless as any liberal when it comes to what effect that will have in the Army.

The difference is a grunt already knows for all the BS, he is low man on the scrotum pole and will do 90% of the bleeding, so seeing pogues with berets doesn't do anything more of less other than one more thing to bitch about.

But back to my point- it doesn't matter what political party is in office when crap like this happens, and it has happened in the past enough times to make this a bipartisan affair, the fact is the stroking of pogues has been going on since uniforms first were adopted.

it only matters to those on the extreme wing of the party not in Office.... :2wave:

Well The MOS 11 Bravo does include ALL Rangers. Course most know this already. But I am glad to see that you Admit Bush could have halted that Previous Administrations Policy on those Berets, showing exactly where it had stemmed from.

Seems that's where you find the cup half empty. As it matter to those who are in Power!

Course MOST grunts and pogues on the very low end of the totem pole, "know this" especially being one that supports a current Administration.

 

[notquiteright]

Well The MOS 11 Bravo does include ALL Rangers. Course most know this already. But I am glad to see that you Admit Bush could have halted that Previous Administrations Policy on those Berets, showing exactly where it had stemmed from.

Seems that's where you find the cup half empty. As it matter to those who are in Power!

Course MOST grunts and pogues on the very low end of the totem pole, "know this" especially being one that supports a current Administration.

Ahh but when many on the radical right complain about 'the Kenyan', even when it wasn't a direct action, they claim 'on his watch' which FYI is EXACTLY how this medal crap is playing out, President Obama didn't demand a new Medal, it was an underling.

Now what previous administration did anything about the beret for all army types? The black beret was officially adopted on the Army's birthday, 2001. Chief of staff General Shinseki was the driving force behind the beret for all. BushII could have easily ordered the General to reevaluate the decision, just like he did every officer who disagreed with BushII's evaluations on how 'well' Iraq was going, or for that matter that we should even go into Iraq.

 

[MMC]

Ahh but when many on the radical right complain about 'the Kenyan', even when it wasn't a direct action, they claim 'on his watch' which FYI is EXACTLY how this medal crap is playing out, President Obama didn't demand a new Medal, it was an underling.

Now what previous administration did anything about the beret for all army types? The black beret was officially adopted on the Army's birthday, 2001. Chief of staff General Shinseki was the driving force behind the beret for all. BushII could have easily ordered the General to reevaluate the decision, just like he did every officer who disagreed with BushII's evaluations on how 'well' Iraq was going, or for that matter that we should even go into Iraq.

Ah I C.....

how does that work out with one who knew all about Obama even before U libs knew he was a Kenyan. See I watched his azz lose to Bobby Rush. So save the whining about Obama.

Comes into play with the 10th Mountain....mark up and paperwork began in the end of 98. Intent took place June of 1999. That would make it Bilbo Clintons Watch. For your Beret Issue. Course with your partisan spiel then you forgot all of those Military Commanders that agreed about how well the War In Iraq was going. Especially that part on how Ineffective the Iraqis were including the Republican Guard. This would mean strategically and with the military tactics used.....the enemy was destroyed. With Minimal damage to us. Although it would be rare for a pogue to win Bronze Star, IMO that is!

Also ffter the SOD makes such a move it goes to the Joint Chiefs and Straight to the Commander in Chief. So no one said Obama DEMANDED a new Medal. He approved Panetta's Request. Course even any grunt or pogue would have known such information. Even those who weren't in Combat.....Ever!

 

[notquiteright]

Ah I C.....

how does that work out with one who knew all about Obama even before U libs knew he was a Kenyan. See I watched his azz lose to Bobby Rush. So save the whining about Obama.

Comes into play with the 10th Mountain....mark up and paperwork began in the end of 98. Intent took place June of 1999. That would make it Bilbo Clintons Watch. For your Beret Issue. Course with your partisan spiel then you forgot all of those Military Commanders that agreed about how well the War In Iraq was going. Especially that part on how Ineffective the Iraqis were including the Republican Guard. This would mean strategically and with the military tactics used.....the enemy was destroyed. With Minimal damage to us. Although it would be rare for a pogue to win Bronze Star, IMO that is!

Also ffter the SOD makes such a move it goes to the Joint Chiefs and Straight to the Commander in Chief. So no one said Obama DEMANDED a new Medal. He approved Panetta's Request. Course even any grunt or pogue would have known such information. Even those who weren't in Combat.....Ever!

now your just going into radical right spew mode... first you try and use the he is half white n now your in high form over what the radical right STILL insists on using... kenyan... :roll:

Laughing so to use your time lines BushII IS responsible for the biggest retraction of our economy since '29! Great to hear. Course 'veteran' BushII could easily have stopped the beret issue, he more than enough time and that is easily within the ability of the Commander in Chief. So which is it, the beret change happened under BushII's watch or BushII was 'powerless' to exercise his power as CiC to stop it? fact is unlike halting the worse collapse of our financial sector since the last time 'conservatives' ran wild with their free market crap, the Beret change happened on his watch.

Now BushII ignored the generals when discussing what to do with Iraq AFTER beating the very discouraged Iraqi conventional forces. Who didn't think 'we' would kick ass on a repeat throw down, even with the greatly reduced forces used? No BushII and his henchmen constantly refused to believe the boots on the ground would have to be massive to keep the peace, especially since BushII's boys dismissed all Iraqi security forces like the arrogant twits they were.

That Sir is where BushII ignored and or dismissed his generals till he found those who would toe the political line.

Now where is it written that President Obama 'approved' the new medal? he may approve of it but does he need to approve it to be authorized?

Yes it is happening on his watch, but so has so much of the other crap, your attempt to make this a 'libs' hate the military is silly....

 

[Thoreau72]

I think Obama is too damn white.

 

[Thrilla]

well, I don't mind the new medal.... but it's order is a bit off to me.

I think it should be a commendation medal, which ranks above an achievement medal, but below the non-combat heroism category.

it's good to reward and recognize these guys' service actions... but to place the award above that of a bronze star with V is a bit off base.


in any event, it's not that important... award rankings really don't matter except when it comes to where you are required to place the medal/ribbon in relation to others on your uniform.


on a scale of 1 to ten, i'm peeved at a 1.5 or 2 over this.... it's really no big deal.

as an aside, although I have medals that rank much higher than this new one, the one that I most prize is ranked much lower..... the Combat Action Ribbon with 3 stars ( 4 awards)

 

[MMC]

now your just going into radical right spew mode... first you try and use the he is half white n now your in high form over what the radical right STILL insists on using... kenyan... :roll:

Laughing so to use your time lines BushII IS responsible for the biggest retraction of our economy since '29! Great to hear. Course 'veteran' BushII could easily have stopped the beret issue, he more than enough time and that is easily within the ability of the Commander in Chief. So which is it, the beret change happened under BushII's watch or BushII was 'powerless' to exercise his power as CiC to stop it? fact is unlike halting the worse collapse of our financial sector since the last time 'conservatives' ran wild with their free market crap, the Beret change happened on his watch.

Now BushII ignored the generals when discussing what to do with Iraq AFTER beating the very discouraged Iraqi conventional forces. Who didn't think 'we' would kick ass on a repeat throw down, even with the greatly reduced forces used? No BushII and his henchmen constantly refused to believe the boots on the ground would have to be massive to keep the peace, especially since BushII's boys dismissed all Iraqi security forces like the arrogant twits they were.

That Sir is where BushII ignored and or dismissed his generals till he found those who would toe the political line.

Now where is it written that President Obama 'approved' the new medal? he may approve of it but does he need to approve it to be authorized?

Yes it is happening on his watch, but so has so much of the other crap, your attempt to make this a 'libs' hate the military is silly....

Not quite.....we can look back into the thread and see where you first start out with that Obama is black.....then because it is pointed out to you that he is half white. Now you are into some spiel about the racist right. Then you start spouting off he is Kenyan. Seems you are the one running with all this BS over his race. Show me where I said anything about Obama being a Kenyan other than when answering you and telling you that I knew about him before you even knew he was Kenyan. What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Just like MOST Progressives run Right to the Race card.

Nice deflection.....the policy was set under Clinton and started with the 10th in 98. I already agreed Bush could have done something and should have. But this doesn't change the facts of when and where the policy came from.

That's great that you know something about Bush. I never voted for him. Course you forgot all those Foreign Generals that agreed with him.

Obama has signed off with it since Panetta and the Joint Chiefs have all agreed to it. If he disagreed you would be hearing so.

No thats where your assumption goes off the deep end. As no one here has stated anything about Libs hating the Military. As usual you progressives tend to make more out of things than whats actually there. Like you said.....it's happening on his watch. Looks like he has to eat it.....just like Bush did. Once you Progressives figure that point out. Everything will be alright!

 

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Not quite.....we can look back into the thread and see where you first start out with that Obama is black.....then because it is pointed out to you that he is half white. Now you are into some spiel about the racist right. Then you start spouting off he is Kenyan. Seems you are the one running with all this BS over his race. Show me where I said anything about Obama being a Kenyan other than when answering you and telling you that I knew about him before you even knew he was Kenyan. What a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. Just like MOST Progressives run Right to the Race card.

Nice deflection.....the policy was set under Clinton and started with the 10th in 98. I already agreed Bush could have done something and should have. But this doesn't change the facts of when and where the policy came from.

That's great that you know something about Bush. I never voted for him. Course you forgot all those Foreign Generals that agreed with him.

Obama has signed off with it since Panetta and the Joint Chiefs have all agreed to it. If he disagreed you would be hearing so.

No thats where your assumption goes off the deep end. As no one here has stated anything about Libs hating the Military. As usual you progressives tend to make more out of things than whats actually there. Like you said.....it's happening on his watch. Looks like he has to eat it.....just like Bush did. Once you Progressives figure that point out. Everything will be alright!

Laughing, you can try and twist this, but my use of black was to show there are many things that don't factor into the decision to create a drone operator medal. You want to drag the political party in and I have shown BOTH parties have done silly crap. YOU want to drag the budget cuts for the military into this as if that somehow matters, yet Republicans have done that as well. YOU attempt to make this a dems hate the grunts thing and it isn't.

Again you attempt to spin away... BushII didn't eat brow beating General Shinseki when the general estimated 200,000 men would be needed to occupy Iraq. You attempted to support BushII until you didn't.... kinda like BushII and Brownie or Rummy.... :lol:

So you think Obama signed off on the new medal? I guess BushII and Reagan did as well in their time? Berets and BDUs???

You make little sense and was just trying use this as yet another reason to bash libs.

But once again your only concern is in what the 'lib' did. You could care less what the 'conservatives' have done...

THAT is my point, you can twist and peel all you want, you tried to bum's rush a highly partisan whine and it didn't work.

 

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well, I don't mind the new medal.... but it's order is a bit off to me.

I think it should be a commendation medal, which ranks above an achievement medal, but below the non-combat heroism category.

it's good to reward and recognize these guys' service actions... but to place the award above that of a bronze star with V is a bit off base.


in any event, it's not that important... award rankings really don't matter except when it comes to where you are required to place the medal/ribbon in relation to others on your uniform.


on a scale of 1 to ten, i'm peeved at a 1.5 or 2 over this.... it's really no big deal.

as an aside, although I have medals that rank much higher than this new one, the one that I most prize is ranked much lower..... the Combat Action Ribbon with 3 stars ( 4 awards)

It's probably just a numbers game for the purpose of promotions.