The need for Tax cuts and deregulation for business is total crap.

[Crovax]

you are wrong and right. the top 1 percent NOW pay almost 40% of the federal income tax and if you count the death tax, its even more. but you are right in that the those confiscatory tax rates of the past had tons of exceptions

everyone should pay the same flat rate.

You're right I read the numbers wrong

In 1958 the top 3% paid 29.2% of the income taxes and now it's 51% or course the top 3% also make a larger % of the money but the effective rate is about the same.

Here's the article I got it from: Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate - WSJ

Sorry it's paywalled

 

[Mach]

The following is an excerpt from the reference given below to do with the facts of, not the perception of, the standard of living:

And yet it will perception, subjective, nonsense, despite your earnest claims of objectivity. So you bring up income inequality, then you bring up some British groups ideas of "where to be born".

As in most such cases, your arguments, as most liberals do, will rely on hand waived comparisons between the U.S. and any cherry picked nation in Europe you feel suits your agenda best, it's classic. No credible analyst of nearly any issue believes you can makes such comparison on an apples to apples basis. So if you are wise, you won't. Unfortunately, that's the liberal way these days, offer just enough misleading l "data", sprinkled with socialist rhetoric, and liberals will take it hook line and sinker.

“The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gaps of any high-income nation today,

Income inequality != standard of living, you need to wise up and stop regurgitating liberal propaganda.
Notice that Switzerland has the HIGHEST Where to be Born Index you provided.
Notice that Switzerland has a GREATER income inequality than the United States.

*applause*

Your own data agrees with my claim of its irrelevance. It is in fact, not the topic of discussion, since we're being factual...

As to do with your quality of life index (QLI), the following was once called a QLI and is now called a “Where to be Born Index”. It ranks the US as 16th, not so high in the developed world, and explains it’s methodology: You can get your facts and I can get mine. I like my info better because it gives more detail and explanation than yours. All your facts show are that things have gotten better since Obama took office.

QLI includes divorce rates, climate, homicide rates, membership in social organizations, gender equality in parliament....
Is this a joke?

And there is the cherry picking of tiny countries trying to relate them to the United States. The population in the United States is nearly double the combined populations of every single country listed in that QLI above the U.S. COMBINED. We have more illegal immigrants in the United States than the population of nearly every country listed above the United States. We have more blacks in poverty than nearly every country listed in the above (we have a fairly recent slave history, do they?). Our immigration is off the charts, and its largely from regional immigrants, Mexico, who come from far lower quality of life circumstances than your list of elite European nations of largely homogenized white cultures. But you accounted for all variables...not, of course you didn't, no one can, its far too complex but you do get a taste of the differences if you actually look into it with objectivity.

Your argument evidences no understanding of what your own country has as far as living standards, what comprises those actual figures, nor how it compares in any meaningful way to any other nation.

Look at the Human Development Index (whether people are able to be and do desirable things) Wow, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, sounds familiar if you're an American.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

The U.S. ranks 8. And based on population, its got the highest number of people in the highest ranking by far. And the margin those above are not that different, 0.044 down to 0.0915 for the U.S. With our population and our demographics, and the relative newness of North American development compare to some of these nations that existed long before the U.S., it looks like we do an incredible job.

 

[Mach]

A whole page of nonsense and you moved no one with it.

You have nothing, this is unfortunate. Look at bluesmoke's post above for "how to respond to a post with counter claims, and claims". His are all bunk of course, but he gets an A for effort.
You didn't show up to class, that's an automatic F.

It's obvious you skipped class if you cannot intelligent analyze these issues and discuss them.

 

[Moderate Right]

A whole page of nonsense and you moved no one with it.

No more nonsense than your cherry picked facts.

 

[jbander]

No more nonsense than your cherry picked facts.

This is the thread "The right would have you believe that business needs this to survive and repeat it over and over and their robots think that it is true. During Obama's administration profits rose 135% , profits went to their highest in history, percentage of gross that is profit at the highest percentage in history, and the largest GDP in history , we produce 30% of the world GDP. What hasn't happened is that none of this increase in wealth, because of tax law lies from the right, has gone anywhere other then to the top. Wages haven't increase in decades but business owns a larger and larger piece of the poor and middle class because of increased dept. One reason and as long as it exist,none of the increase of profits will be passed on to anyone except to the top. The Trickle down lie. If anyone responds in opposition to this, you will hear the biggest line of bull**** in history and you will see what kind of robots make up the Conservative party. " and here is the title "Thread: The need for Tax cuts and deregulation for business is total crap." take your best shot. and please keep the nonsense remarks about the Clintons out of it. Otherwise go away you simply useless/

 

[Moderate Right]

This is the thread "The right would have you believe that business needs this to survive and repeat it over and over and their robots think that it is true. During Obama's administration profits rose 135% , profits went to their highest in history, percentage of gross that is profit at the highest percentage in history, and the largest GDP in history , we produce 30% of the world GDP. What hasn't happened is that none of this increase in wealth, because of tax law lies from the right, has gone anywhere other then to the top. Wages haven't increase in decades but business owns a larger and larger piece of the poor and middle class because of increased dept. One reason and as long as it exist,none of the increase of profits will be passed on to anyone except to the top. The Trickle down lie. If anyone responds in opposition to this, you will hear the biggest line of bull**** in history and you will see what kind of robots make up the Conservative party. " and here is the title "Thread: The need for Tax cuts and deregulation for business is total crap." take your best shot. and please keep the nonsense remarks about the Clintons out of it. Otherwise go away you simply useless/

What does any of that have to with my post your quoted? You accuse others of posting cherry picked facts and yet you yourself post cherry picked facts.

 

[jdog]

The right would have you believe that business needs this to survive and repeat it over and over and their robots think that it is true. During Obama's administration profits rose 135% , profits went to their highest in history, percentage of gross that is profit at the highest percentage in history, and the largest GDP in history , we produce 30% of the world GDP. What hasn't happened is that none of this increase in wealth, because of tax law lies from the right, has gone anywhere other then to the top. Wages haven't increase in decades but business owns a larger and larger piece of the poor and middle class because of increased dept. One reason and as long as it exist,none of the increase of profits will be passed on to anyone except to the top. The Trickle down lie. If anyone responds in opposition to this, you will hear the biggest line of bull**** in history and you will see what kind of robots make up the Conservative party.

You have proven by your OP that you do not have even a elementary understanding of this issue. The reduction in regulation and taxes is actually a windfall for small business, and will hurt larger corporate monopolies. If you do not understand that you should not be debating this issue.

 

[bluesmoke]

And yet it will perception, subjective, nonsense, despite your earnest claims of objectivity. So you bring up income inequality, then you bring up some British groups ideas of "where to be born".

As in most such cases, your arguments, as most liberals do, will rely on hand waived comparisons between the U.S. and any cherry picked nation in Europe you feel suits your agenda best, it's classic. No credible analyst of nearly any issue believes you can makes such comparison on an apples to apples basis. So if you are wise, you won't. Unfortunately, that's the liberal way these days, offer just enough misleading l "data", sprinkled with socialist rhetoric, and liberals will take it hook line and sinker.



Income inequality != standard of living, you need to wise up and stop regurgitating liberal propaganda.
Notice that Switzerland has the HIGHEST Where to be Born Index you provided.
Notice that Switzerland has a GREATER income inequality than the United States.

*applause*

Your own data agrees with my claim of its irrelevance. It is in fact, not the topic of discussion, since we're being factual...



QLI includes divorce rates, climate, homicide rates, membership in social organizations, gender equality in parliament....
Is this a joke?

And there is the cherry picking of tiny countries trying to relate them to the United States. The population in the United States is nearly double the combined populations of every single country listed in that QLI above the U.S. COMBINED. We have more illegal immigrants in the United States than the population of nearly every country listed above the United States. We have more blacks in poverty than nearly every country listed in the above (we have a fairly recent slave history, do they?). Our immigration is off the charts, and its largely from regional immigrants, Mexico, who come from far lower quality of life circumstances than your list of elite European nations of largely homogenized white cultures. But you accounted for all variables...not, of course you didn't, no one can, its far too complex but you do get a taste of the differences if you actually look into it with objectivity.

Your argument evidences no understanding of what your own country has as far as living standards, what comprises those actual figures, nor how it compares in any meaningful way to any other nation.

Look at the Human Development Index (whether people are able to be and do desirable things) Wow, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, sounds familiar if you're an American.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

The U.S. ranks 8. And based on population, its got the highest number of people in the highest ranking by far. And the margin those above are not that different, 0.044 down to 0.0915 for the U.S. With our population and our demographics, and the relative newness of North American development compare to some of these nations that existed long before the U.S., it looks like we do an incredible job.

I don’t really like the names “Where to be Born Index” or “the Better Life Index”. I’d prefer the previous name of the WTB, Quality of Life Index (QLI) and what I suppose the BLI really is, be QLI. Anyway, Income inequality and quality of life are conditions of much concern for Americans.

I don’t know by what measure makes you think that my source that chose the QLI nations “cherry-picked”. My list includes 80 nations, including, apparently, all of the countries on your list. Your list has 17 countries, though the actual OECD has 35 countries. You complain that my list is a comparison of the US against European Nations, but the OECD was originally a Euro organization, still has more Euro countries then not, while the EIU has more non-Euro nations. You’ve got it backwards. By that more objective measurement than no measurement at all, indicates your source is more likely doing the cherry-picking, if either. Another thing, I didn’t see Norway on your list. Norway, as rated by your source OECD, has a Life Satisfaction rating of 10.0. Whadda ya think of them apples?

Continued on next post...

 

[bluesmoke]

Continued from previous post:

Income, including income inequality, is only one factor in both our QLI ratings. And, the US has a lower “Bottom 10%” rating than Switzerland. So, I’m not sure of what outweighing point you have here. In fact, your OECD report is based on year 2013. Here is an excerpted quote, from my “Standard of Living” link, mentioned further below, that gives a figure for 2014:

“The OECD Better Life Index, which measures quality of life according to 11 factors, ranks the United States as 7th among 34 OECD countries.”

The report you showed had us at #1 in 2013. How do you reconcile a six-position drop in just one year?

I really don’t get what you mean by “Your own data agrees with my claim of its irrelevance. It is in fact, not the topic of discussion, since we're being factual...”. Maybe what I said above makes the statement in question irrelevant.

That's right. No joke. The EIU captures a broader range of QL factors than does the OECD. Are you saying the factors you mentioned do not affect quality of life?

Continued on next post...

 

[bluesmoke]

Continued from previous post:

Remember my quote you are responding to:

“The United States has one of the widest rich-poor gaps of any high-income nation today,”.

Nowhere in your response do you negate anything in what I said, if that’s what you’re trying to do. If you were just trying to make a relative point, you didn’t.

There is no such thing as 100% objectivity to do with quality of life. Both of our source organizations did the best they could. If you are going to consider a population’s quality of life measurement, you have to use consistent standards from reliable sources that use methodology that is as objective as possible. I believe my sources gave at least some of the methodology information to help determine objectivity. Did yours?

I think a more inclusive report is the best. If a smaller nation floats closer to the top rank of nations, it’s because they have a successful model for a better standard of living and/or QLI. Or HDI for that matter.

My argument references the evidence you say it does not. For what it sounds like the evidence you’re after, go to the “Measurement” section of the link I gave you in the part of my previous post about “Standard of Living”.

I think as long as our Human Development Index, HDI, keeps going up, and it does year after year, I think we’re doing just fine, thank you very much. Practically every other of the countries being measured goes up each year, also. That is also a good sign.

BTW, take away all your emotional-politically charged words and the sentences I negated, I wonder how many words you'd have left?

 

[Mach]

I don’t really like the names “Where to be Born Index” or “the Better Life Index”. I’d prefer the previous name of the WTB, Quality of Life Index (QLI) and what I suppose the BLI really is, be QLI. Anyway, Income inequality and quality of life are conditions of much concern for Americans.

Shorter is fine, but the implication that these idiots know how to measure my quality of life in any meaningful way, is probably why they changed the name. It is much less pompous.

Quality of life is important to individuals, of course.

Income inequality, however, is not a real concern, 90% of the time its liberal propaganda meant to encite envy, and to demonize the wealthy. 10% of the time its simple a measure of income gap, which is data, nothing more nothing less. Please post the polls where people are "surprised" at the income inequality, that's another good one. I can 50% of the population feel any issue is good or bad, that's called sophistry, it was perfected in 2000BC by the precursors to modern day politicians/attorneys.

It's not even what liberals claim it is half the time, just read:

Measured for all households, U.S. income inequality is comparable to other developed countries before taxes and transfers, but is among the highest after taxes and transfers,

lol, the earnings gap according to wiki is comparable to other developed countries, before taxes/government transfers.

So what they really are saying is that wow, the U.S. government doesn't give as much money to its citizens as socialist/marxist based European nations do. Color me surprised.

I don’t know by what measure makes you think that my source that chose the QLI nations “cherry-picked”.

You are comparing nations that are in some cases smaller in population than U.S. CITIES.
And these countries as I noted, don't have the population and immigration differences we have. There is nothing wrong with 11M Mexicans taking an extra generation to get up to your snooty norid nation quailty of life. Maybe they have stronger family units and are HAPPIER with their quality of life, I don't- know, that's up to them now if they are in the U.S. But who is doing most of the immigrating in a lot of these European countries we're discussing? Lol, other europeaens. WTF, why not call inter-state moving in the United states "immigration". So tons of people from the UK immigrate to (Australia and Switzerland? I forget exactly). Wow, they really have to adjust to the new language and standard of living and education differences the same way Mexicans do, or someone from the ghettos does.

QLI is based on thinks those brits decided to measure, it does not appear to be in line with how people I know view living standard. Social membership...I'd pay to NOT have to be involved in such things. Betty brought those rolls last week, she said they were home-made but I think they were store bought.

 

[Mach]

Continued from previous post:
I really don’t get what you mean by “Your own data agrees with my claim of its irrelevance..

Again.
You claimed that income gap was so important (it's not), and that BLI is a better measure of quality of life.
I pointed out to you that the #1 ranked BLI country had a higher income gap than the U.S.

 

[Mach]

There is no such thing as 100% objectivity to do with quality of life

Then why did you claim to have the facts? Posting income gap is not even close to something that gets us to objectivity on quality of life, why did you bring it up? Propaganda works, is why.

I think a more inclusive report is the best.

When you include things that are not good indicators of quality of life, why would that be the case?
When you weight them too much or too little, why would that be the case?
When the criteria they use may be more in line with culture A vs culture B, how could it not be biased?

The fact is that this discussion started with trickle down economic, and you jumped in.
The U.S. continues to have an incredibly high standard of living for those of low income, and an incredibly high upper income. This appears to be direct evidence that when the economy grows, it lifts all boats (shorthand). Of course it does.

If you want instead to make the argument about social programs and government transfers/tax rates, you can, in a different thread. Because that's why we have such an income gap. Well that, and our upper income is so high because we have enormous economic freedom and an enormous position in world economic power and consumer spending.

I think as long as our Human Development Index, HDI, keeps going up, and it does year after year, I think we’re doing just fine, thank you very much. Practically every other of the countries being measured goes up each year, also. That is also a good sign.

So all boats are rising, interesting.

 

[NoLeftNoRight]

The right would have you believe that business needs this to survive and repeat it over and over and their robots think that it is true. During Obama's administration profits rose 135% , profits went to their highest in history, percentage of gross that is profit at the highest percentage in history, and the largest GDP in history , we produce 30% of the world GDP. What hasn't happened is that none of this increase in wealth, because of tax law lies from the right, has gone anywhere other then to the top. Wages haven't increase in decades but business owns a larger and larger piece of the poor and middle class because of increased dept. One reason and as long as it exist,none of the increase of profits will be passed on to anyone except to the top. The Trickle down lie. If anyone responds in opposition to this, you will hear the biggest line of bull**** in history and you will see what kind of robots make up the Conservative party.

There are two things that are incredibly easy to ascertain....

1). When someone has never had a moment of real business experience in their entire life...no matter what claim they might make otherwise
2). When someone has been so thoroughly indoctrinated to the point they preach the nonsense fed to them by their muppet masters in earnest

Obama did NOTHING to precipitate the positive changes you claim. When he DID do was impose many new regulations on business that did the opposite of what you claim.

Some of you folks are entertaining...in a sad way...

 

[Mach]

Here is a better graph, its easier to see differences, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD_Better_Life_Index
(if you already posted it then I missed it)

So according to this we are relatively weak in:
community, education civic engagement, life satisfaction, safety, and work life balance.

And we're off the charts with income and housing, good on health and jobs.

Compared to tiny countries, the entire United States. I think that's incredible.

This all comes down to some people wanting a European styled high tax, high social spending system, vs what we enjoy in the U.S. It says NOTHING to the fact that as the U.S. economy grows and the income gap grows, our standard of living for *everyone* continues to rise.

 

[jbander]

What does any of that have to with my post your quoted? You accuse others of posting cherry picked facts and yet you yourself post cherry picked facts.

Limited thinking. That is the subject that is the thread. Make believe world of hate party.

 

[Moderate Right]

Limited thinking. That is the subject that is the thread. Make believe world of hate party.

Well, I agree with that. You do have limited thinking when you only post cherry picked facts, while conveniently ignoring the facts that don't prove your side. And yes, the left is in their make believe world of their hate party. Hillary proved that by spewing hatred for several months and calling half of the country racists, bigots, and deplorables. Every commercial she had on television was full of nothing but hate.

 

[jbander]

Here is a better graph, its easier to see differences, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OECD_Better_Life_Index
(if you already posted it then I missed it)

So according to this we are relatively weak in:
community, education civic engagement, life satisfaction, safety, and work life balance.

And we're off the charts with income and housing, good on health and jobs.

Compared to tiny countries, the entire United States. I think that's incredible.

This all comes down to some people wanting a European styled high tax, high social spending system, vs what we enjoy in the U.S. It says NOTHING to the fact that as the U.S. economy grows and the income gap grows, our standard of living for *everyone* continues to rise.

There you go , just because no one has had a increase in their income during a time that business has rocketed to massive profits(81 To Now),That 90% of the increase went to a small part of the population, The golden few and the fact that that is the reason why the trickle down lie was implemented in the first place. and during that same period of no wage increase , there has been massive increase in debt devaluing the income that they have. That is what the right wants , that is why the trickle down lie was created , Reagan knew exactly what was going to happen making him the worst president in the last century. Again take notice of the transition from the trickle down lie from the time it was created to now. created ,1981 to now.

 

[Moderate Right]

There you go , just because no one has had a increase in their income during a time that business has rocketed to massive profits(81 To Now),That 90% of the increase went to a small part of the population, The golden few and the fact that that is the reason why the trickle down lie was implemented in the first place. and during that same period of no wage increase , there has been massive increase in debt devaluing the income that they have. That is what the right wants , that is why the trickle down lie was created , Reagan knew exactly what was going to happen making him the worst president in the last century. View attachment 67211332 Again take notice of the transition from the trickle down lie from the time it was created to now. created ,1981 to now.

Obama has been in charge for eight years now, two of which he had a Democratic Congress. Ditto Bill Clinton. Trickle up is a lie to. That's why voters threw out the liars.

 

[Master PO]

In 1970 it took $3.92 to equal the value of 1 u.s. dollar in 1913 when the federal reserve began.... 53 year span.

In 2016 it took $5.96 to equal the value of 1 u.s. dollar in 1971 when the gold standard was removed....45 year span.

it takes $24.38 today the equal the buying power of a 1913 dollar.

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1.00&year1=1913&year2=2016

 

[bluesmoke]

Shorter is fine, but the implication that these idiots know how to measure my quality of life in any meaningful way, is probably why they changed the name. It is much less pompous.

Quality of life is important to individuals, of course.

Income inequality, however, is not a real concern, 90% of the time its liberal propaganda meant to encite envy, and to demonize the wealthy. 10% of the time its simple a measure of income gap, which is data, nothing more nothing less. Please post the polls where people are "surprised" at the income inequality, that's another good one. I can 50% of the population feel any issue is good or bad, that's called sophistry, it was perfected in 2000BC by the precursors to modern day politicians/attorneys.

It's not even what liberals claim it is half the time, just read:

lol, the earnings gap according to wiki is comparable to other developed countries, before taxes/government transfers.

So what they really are saying is that wow, the U.S. government doesn't give as much money to its citizens as socialist/marxist based European nations do. Color me surprised.


You are comparing nations that are in some cases smaller in population than U.S. CITIES.
And these countries as I noted, don't have the population and immigration differences we have. There is nothing wrong with 11M Mexicans taking an extra generation to get up to your snooty norid nation quailty of life. Maybe they have stronger family units and are HAPPIER with their quality of life, I don't- know, that's up to them now if they are in the U.S. But who is doing most of the immigrating in a lot of these European countries we're discussing? Lol, other europeaens. WTF, why not call inter-state moving in the United states "immigration". So tons of people from the UK immigrate to (Australia and Switzerland? I forget exactly). Wow, they really have to adjust to the new language and standard of living and education differences the same way Mexicans do, or someone from the ghettos does.

QLI is based on thinks those brits decided to measure, it does not appear to be in line with how people I know view living standard. Social membership...I'd pay to NOT have to be involved in such things. Betty brought those rolls last week, she said they were home-made but I think they were store bought.

If income inequality is not a concern, then why did you use it as an example to refute my data in an earlier post?
You asked me to please “…post the polls where people are "surprised" at the income inequality,…”. Don’t foist the burden of research work to support your own disqualified claims on me. That one’s on you.

Yes, the US earnings gap is close to a number of other developed nations. That doesn’t make it OK. This gap has been widening since about 1976. US Corps are at their greatest profits since 1928, whereas worker compensation is the worse since 1948. The average worker is not getting their fair share of the productivity they contribute to over the years.

That income inequality is by your subjective measurement, whatever that was, and does not change the more objective data already disclosed.

You continue, pathologically, to sling emotional-politically charged wording in hopes of swaying the debate in spite of objective data and reasoning. You use a figure like “90% of the time its liberal” as if the 90% carries an objective connotation while calling that it is of a liberal leaning must mean it’s wrong. Explain the objectivity in that.

You’ve yet to respond to my challenges of your accusations of veracity. You continue to wean readers away from the primary subject. I’ve yet to state anything mentioning “conservative” in a derogatory way. You, on the other hand, pepper your narrative with emotionally charged, politically biased dialogue. You are not interested in the facts of the matter. You just want to spread your ideology, regardless of the objectivity of debate.

All you do is whine about what data is put forward, even though you do the same. So, what data do you accept?

 

[Mach]

There you go , just because no one has had a increase in their income during a time that business has rocketed to massive profits(81 To Now),That 90% of the increase went to a small part of the population

And their standard of living ignores this, and continues to rise. Yet around the world highly developed countries all have fairly large income gaps that keep getting larger, the only way to change that is to tax the wealthy, and then hand out those taxes as income to people who prefer not to work as much, and will vote for you because you have them free money. Many Americans reject this citing it as a disincentive for people to try to find productive work in the market. The reality is that the opportunities for profit in the U.S. just keep getting better. The upper end is largely unbounded, the lower end is basically fixed at 0. Of course the gap between 0 and unbounded continues to increase as the economy and opportunity grows.

 

[Mach]

If income inequality is not a concern, then why did you use it as an example to refute my data in an earlier post?

You introduced income gap and "born index" as evidenced against my position, I showed you income gap was irrelevant. How do you think I'm going to show you income gap is irrelevant if I don't refer to it?

You asked me to please “…post the polls where people are "surprised" at the income inequality,…”.

No, that was sarcasm, I really don't want you to post that, because it's still irrelevant, and absurd, and I know where all the liberal propaganda leads. I'm glad you didn't post it.

Yes, the US earnings gap is close to a number of other developed nations. That doesn’t make it OK.

So most developed nations have similar. OK. This doesn't make it good, or bad, just typical.

All you do is whine about what data is put forward

No, I started with defending the fact that as the economy has grown, so has the living standard of all Americans, including the poor.
YOU took issue with the data I provided.
You then provided some of your own, which I took issue with, and I clearly wrote what my issues with it was.

Anyone can read the posts.

. So, what data do you accept?

Clearly I accept the data that shows income inequality in the U.S. is as you wrote, typical (Yes, the US earnings gap is close to a number of other developed nations)

All you need to do is agree, or disagree, that as the U.S. economy continues to grow, the standard of living of all citizens continues to rise, including the poor.
This occurs regardless of income inequality.

You already seem to agree that our income gap is typical, and that our standard of living is high. What are you disagreeing with exactly? I don't want to be accused of putting more words in your mouth...

 

[jimbo]

That is one reason why the workers hungrier for jobs tend to win, when they compete for investment capital. We are expensive, our real estate is expensive, our services are expensive, our regulations are expensive....
That is why we are still alright at the top end of the food chain but are under pressure further down the line.

I think more than anything else, it's the regulation. My doctor has more paper pushers on staff than medical personnel.

Something wrong with that.

 

[bluesmoke]

You introduced income gap and "born index" as evidenced against my position, I showed you income gap was irrelevant. How do you think I'm going to show you income gap is irrelevant if I don't refer to it?


No, that was sarcasm, I really don't want you to post that, because it's still irrelevant, and absurd, and I know where all the liberal propaganda leads. I'm glad you didn't post it.


So most developed nations have similar. OK. This doesn't make it good, or bad, just typical.


No, I started with defending the fact that as the economy has grown, so has the living standard of all Americans, including the poor.
YOU took issue with the data I provided.
You then provided some of your own, which I took issue with, and I clearly wrote what my issues with it was.

Anyone can read the posts.



Clearly I accept the data that shows income inequality in the U.S. is as you wrote, typical (Yes, the US earnings gap is close to a number of other developed nations)

All you need to do is agree, or disagree, that as the U.S. economy continues to grow, the standard of living of all citizens continues to rise, including the poor.
This occurs regardless of income inequality.

You already seem to agree that our income gap is typical, and that our standard of living is high. What are you disagreeing with exactly? I don't want to be accused of putting more words in your mouth...

I am not going to respond to your divergent inquiry while you continue to ask of others and, having been given repetitive response, you do not respond to their inquiry.