The Need For BLM Protests (Vindication Thread)

[calamity]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

None of this happens without taking to the streets and protesting.

 

[Excast]

Change doesn't come when people are comfortable with the status quo.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

I'm sorry, Calamity, but riots are not OK.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Granted I only seek out FoxNews when I want their take on a given subject, so I must have missed the comment on the price tag for all these riots.

However there is a very big difference between BLM protests and riots.

But more importantly Chauvin was not in the defendant's chair because of BLM protests or riots, people of courage took out their phones and recorded what Chauvin did. That is what made him have to answer for using his knee for 9+ minutes to choke another human being to death.

No one "won," there is still a person dead over this and several officers who are no longer officers. There are families, and a community, out there that are going to have to continue to deal with the fallout from this.

The victory lap is hollow, the best we have is justice for Floyd in a sea of injustices for too many others.

 

[Sweden]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

BLM are not only 'haters' but also violent, destructive and murderous. Their 'win' bodes ill for the future of the USA.

 

[Master Debator]

I'm sorry, Calamity, but riots are not OK.

Unless we call it something adorable like the Boston Tea Party.

 

[calamity]

I'm sorry, Calamity, but riots are not OK.

I didn't say they were.

 

[GhostlyJoe]

Unless we call it something adorable like the Boston Tea Party.

Are you familiar with the history of the Boston Massacre? John Adams gave a vigorous defense of British soldiers who fired into an unruly crowd:

The Part I took in Defence of Cptn. Preston and the Soldiers, procured me Anxiety, and Obloquy enough. It was, however, one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested Actions of my whole Life, and one of the best Pieces of Service I ever rendered my Country. Judgment of Death against those Soldiers would have been as foul a Stain upon this Country as the Executions of the Quakers or Witches, anciently. As the Evidence was, the Verdict of the Jury was exactly right. This however is no Reason why the Town should not call the Action of that Night a Massacre, nor is it any Argument in favour of the Governor or Minister, who caused them to be sent here. But it is the strongest Proofs of the Danger of Standing Armies.
— John Adams, on the third anniversary of the massacre[60]

 

[calamity]

Unless we call it something adorable like the Boston Tea Party.

Most of the protests were non-violent. I'm still not convinced that most of the violence seen wasn't triggered by Right Wing agitators...lord knows there is plenty of evidence suggesting that a number of those riots definitely were.

And, what was DeSantis doing on Monday night, saying he believes Chauvin to be guilty but the prosecutor screwed up? Was he trying to stir shit up? I bet that pos was.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Unless we call it something adorable like the Boston Tea Party.

Okay, I'll admit it, that was a good one.

 

[Master Debator]

Okay, I'll admit it, that was a good one.

I wasn't actually making a joke. History isn't just a record of what's happened but also the framing of those doing the record keeping. Whether any particular set of violence is good or bad is mostly dependant on what side you're on. I couldn't give a **** about burning buildings if it makes Americans uncomfortable enough to think twice about allowing cops to keep mistreating black and brown people.

 

[Callen]

However there is a very big difference between BLM protests and riots.

I think this a point RWers refuse to acknowledge. There are protests and then there are riots, looting and arson. Protests are OK the rest is not and should be universally condemned.
Mind you they seemed to have had no trouble recognizing this on Jan 6th. They are quick to say the majority were peacefully exercising their 1st amendment right and that it was a small group of agitators who stormed the capitol. Then there are the hardcore Trumpers who say even they, those who stormed the Capitol, we're not rioters, they were peacefully entering the people's house. It seems to some protesting and violent behaviour is only acceptable if it is in support of Trumpism.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I wasn't actually making a joke. History isn't just a record of what's happened but also the framing of those doing the record keeping. Whether any particular set of violence is good or bad is mostly dependant on what side you're on. I couldn't give a **** about burning buildings if it makes Americans uncomfortable enough to think twice about allowing cops to keep mistreating black and brown people.

Except that it is false equivalency, just as a means to justify harming anyone you can get your hands on because the police have a terrible record with minorities.

You are quite literally calling for random violence and creating even more victims.

 

[bluesmoke]

What if Floyd was dead after only 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation, which is possible, not as dramatic as 9 1/2 minutes? There are numerous, practically coincidental, factors that made this case for conviction that could otherwise, without any one or more, could have been, at best, an excessive force conviction. This is what it takes to convict an LEO for killing an unarmed black man for a non-violent crime, allegedly using a counterfeit bill, arrested with the help of 3 other cops. I can only imagine how many cases like this slipped through the cracks.

 

[Mycroft]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

Yes. BLM wins...but that's not enough, is it?

 

[Court Jester]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

"Citizen action" you say?????? Isn't that what could also be said about the capitol riots?

Problem with you far left liberal social justice types is that you always want to cherry pick right and wrong. I didn't see much BLM citizen action outrage over all of the recent Black on Asian crime in news. Vicious strong you street thugs assaulting, beating, and killing elderly Asian folks on the street..... AND VIDEO evidence of these acts. No Al, Jessie, or Maxine calling for "justice". What, is justice only for Black folk?

These matters aren't about "we win!" or "haters lose". It is so hard to have adult conversations with the left. But alas, they actually believe the lies. Lies like "hands up", or the kid didn't have a gun when he was shot----despite the FACT he DID have a gun at the moment an officer decided he needed to fire.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I think this a point RWers refuse to acknowledge. There are protests and then there are riots, looting and arson. Protests are OK the rest is not and should be universally condemned.
Mind you they seemed to have had no trouble recognizing this on Jan 6th. They are quick to say the majority were peacefully exercising their 1st amendment right and that it was a small group of agitators who stormed the capitol. Then there are the hardcore Trumpers who say even they, those who stormed the Capitol, we're not rioters, they were peacefully entering the people's house. It seems to some protesting and violent behaviour is only acceptable if it is in support of Trumpism.

It almost does not matter anymore, but we should see the difference.

What baffles me is today alone I am arguing with like 4-5 other DP posters about some excusing violence from the left so long as it makes others uncomfortable with violence from their opposition.

So much for protests, the furthest left wants more action. I guess Maxine Water's style rhetoric found empty heads.

 

[Master Debator]

Except that it is false equivalency, just as a means to justify harming anyone you can get your hands on because the police have a terrible record with minorities.

You are quite literally calling for random violence and creating even more victims.

It's only a false equivelancy in that the Founders were a bunch of privileged mother ****ers trying to get this money from slave labor without having to answer to a higher authority and in this case its just a bunch of disadvantaged folks trying to get the authorities to stop abusing them.

And I'm for civil unrest. If we don't get to walk around comfortably in these streets, no one gets to. Seems simple enough for even a white winger to get that message.

 

[OrphanSlug]

It's only a false equivelancy in that the Founders were a bunch of privileged mother ****ers trying to get this money from slave labor without having to answer to a higher authority and in this case its just a bunch of disadvantaged folks trying to get the authorities to stop abusing them.

And I'm for civil unrest. If we don't get to walk around comfortably in these streets, no one gets to. Seems simple enough for even a white winger to get that message.

Do not even try to move the yardsticks, you went there with the "I couldn't give a **** about burning buildings if it makes Americans uncomfortable" bit asking to harm random others because of police brutality.

It is false equivalency to suggest civil unrest equates to burning buildings.

And it is still false equivalency anyway to compare today to the Boston Tea party as we are talking about two entirely different conditions across two entirely different periods of history with entirely different reasons for a fight.

So I am going to ask again but more clear, are you stating that it is acceptable to harm and victimize random others until more of them do what you think they should to address police brutality? Yes or no.

 

[Master Debator]

Do not even try to move the yardsticks, you went there with the "I couldn't give a **** about burning buildings if it makes Americans uncomfortable" bit asking to harm random others because of police brutality.

It is false equivalency to suggest civil unrest equates to burning buildings.

Is that what you were talking about? Yea civil unrest often leads to burning buildings and random acts of violence.

And it is still false equivalency anyway to compare today to the Boston Tea party as we are talking about two entirely different conditions across two entirely different periods of history with entirely different reasons for a fight.

Is this your meek way of saying you side more with slavers rebelling against monarchy than minorities getting into the streets over state violence? If so say it with your chest white winger.

So I am going to ask again but more clear, are you stating that it is acceptable to harm and victimize random others until more of them do what you think they should to address police brutality? Yes or no.

I don't believe in morality, it's a figment of your imagination. I believe in securing safety for black and brown people and if some buildings burn and and some people get hurt in the process oh well.

 

[AGENT J]

Ok, I see the whining over riots, and Fox is already all over putting on it a price tag ($1 Billion supposedly), but lets be real here. If not for citizens' action, Chauvin would never have sat in that defendant's chair, and he sure as hell would never have been convicted.

BLM wins. Haters lose. And, that is a good thing.

BLM won and has been winning. It was amazing watching so many people unite and come together. ..everyday people, police, firefighters, emt, teachers, doctors, religious leaders marching together and protesting
celebs, politicians, sports orgs huge and little companies all supporting and being a part of BLM it was inspiring!

this is but yet another WIN among many for BLM and america since the majority of america is a part of BLM

 

[AGENT J]

I'm sorry, Calamity, but riots are not OK.

who said riots are ok? LOL
here comes the strawmen

 

[OrphanSlug]

Is that what you were talking about? Yea civil unrest often leads to burning buildings and random acts of violence.

Is this your meek way of saying you side more with slavers rebelling against monarchy than minorities getting into the streets over state violence? If so say it with your chest white winger.

I don't believe in morality, it's a figment of your imagination. I believe in securing safety for black and brown people and if some buildings burn and and some people get hurt in the process oh well.

In case anyone is curious, and for others I am in debate with in other threads about how the left is all peaceful, we have at least one who is willing to admit harming random people is acceptable to them.

 

[AGENT J]

BLM are not only 'haters' but also violent, destructive and murderous. Their 'win' bodes ill for the future of the USA.