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The Misinformation From The Left Continues

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1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Biden says that Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama's next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and, with cases rising in all 50 states, still isn't encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns.
 
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1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

Actually, yes. It is. This is being spread by unvaccinated folks. Those are Trump people. Simply pointing to CALIFORNIA and pretending it’s 100% librul is silly. There are at least 1m republicans in L.A. alone, Orange County is about 30 minutes away.

This is a Republican problem that’s seeping out into the rest of the country. Even your own governors are getting fed up with their dumb base.
 
5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is surging in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not requiring facemasks or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and with cases rising in all 50 states still doesn't issue a facemask mandate or want lockdowns.

This is where you guys are soooo schizophrenic on covid. You both want Trump to have allll the credit for the vaccine and you want to JUST ASK QUESTIONS about the vaccine’s safety.

Oh, and to answer your question: yes, the vaccine works. The folks dying of covid are unvaccinated. What more data you lookin’ for?
 
1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not requiring facemasks or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and with cases rising in all 50 states still doesn't issue a facemask mandate or want lockdowns.
I want to explain #1 very briefly: Cali. Florida and Texas (and any other state in which unvaccinated illegals are bussed into) have higher incidences of the new Covid strain and higher incidences of unvaccinated because the Biden administration refuses to police our borders...The Biden administration refuses to force illegals to get Covid vaccinations before illegally entering the US.
 
This is where you guys are soooo schizophrenic on covid. You both want Trump to have allll the credit for the vaccine and you want to JUST ASK QUESTIONS about the vaccine’s safety.

Oh, and to answer your question: yes, the vaccine works. The folks dying of covid are unvaccinated. What more data you lookin’ for?
Many of those unvaccinated are unvaccinated illegals that the Biden administration is allowing to stream over our borders...Talk about misinformation...The Biden Administration is full of misinformation on this.

The unvaccinated have a geometric effect on the number of new Covid cases...Thanks, Biden Administration.

We're gonna have to wear masks again,...Thanks, Biden Administration.:rolleyes:
 
Many of those unvaccinated are unvaccinated illegals that the Biden administration is allowing to stream over our borders...Talk about misinformation...The Biden Administration is full of misinformation on this.

The unvaccinated have a geometric effect on the number of new Covid cases...Thanks, Biden Administration.

We're gonna have to wear masks again,...Thanks, Biden Administration.:rolleyes:

Cite your source.
 
1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Biden says that Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama's next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and, with cases rising in all 50 states, still isn't encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns.
There is one thing that all this spin and nonsense from the left: It is designed to be harmful to anyone's notion that Trump or his followers might be able to combat the globalists.

What is truly amazing is that so many people are able to suspend reason and buy into this nonsense...especially since those people are NOT part of the globalists...not part of the "Big Club".
 
Personally, the whole Virus reality questions can't be answered in a positive way each and every day. Scientists simply don't know all the answers because the true answers change every few days. Imagine you're going to bet on a horse race. You have studied the horses, Jockeys, track conditions and many other factors and you're pretty sure "What's going down" Yeah..fine..except a few hours before the race, your favorite horse is scratched, your second choice has changed Jockey, plus it's starting to rain. What do you do?
The answer is either not sure or I-don't-know. Also> You know why it's hard to predict the weather accurately on a day to day basis?. Way to many variables...atmosphere, ground temp, humidity, what's the wind conditions at 1000 feet, 2500 feet, 10,000 feet and (I'm not kidding) hundreds of other variables. You can get the forecast pretty close but a few hours of change and you have to redo your predicting. It's a rough game and so is forecasting what a Virus is going to do. Imagine a virus as a partially insane friend. Every other day you say these words >>> WTF? NOW WHAT?
 
1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Biden says that Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama's next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and, with cases rising in all 50 states, still isn't encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns.

To be fair, do have to correct one thing. Alabama is not a blue state. It is a deep red state that picked Trump in both 2016 and 2020. However the libruls going after red states or Trump supporters over vaccine hesitancy is laughable. Vaccine hesitancy is mostly a socio-economic issue, not red state versus blue state. Most of the hesitancy is in the inner city areas and even deep red states have those.
 
I want to explain #1 very briefly: Cali. Florida and Texas (and any other state in which unvaccinated illegals are bussed into) have higher incidences of the new Covid strain and higher incidences of unvaccinated because the Biden administration refuses to police our borders...The Biden administration refuses to force illegals to get Covid vaccinations before illegally entering the US.


You spread disinformation as you have no evidence to support your claims, which are false. Without evidence, your claims are unfounded and dismissed as a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and need not be debated further. You can't show that CA has higher rates of new cases and lower vax rates than many red states not on the border.
 
I want to explain #1 very briefly: Cali. Florida and Texas (and any other state in which unvaccinated illegals are bussed into) have higher incidences of the new Covid strain and higher incidences of unvaccinated because the Biden administration refuses to police our borders...The Biden administration refuses to force illegals to get Covid vaccinations before illegally entering the US.
Nice attempt at diversion. Why are you concentrating on illegals when the issue is much broader? Or do you think only illegals bring viruses into your country? Perhaps you (conveniently?), forgot that your own citizens also bring in the disease themselves.
And for your information there already exist travel restrictions at US-Mexico border crossings. You might want to read this...
You might also want to consider why idiots like Gov. Abbott repealed restrictions so soon. Furthermore migrants who test positive at the border are directed to local hotels for isolation. Facts are your friends; your misinformation won't win you any.
 
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I suppose this will be an unpopular opinion, but so much of this blame-gaming is counterproductive. We need to beat this pandemic, and this means pulling together.
We're telling everybody to get vaccinated, and the right is hosing their reader and viewer base with either antivaxxer nonsense or grievance over trump not getting credit for the vaccine.

You can't bothsides your way out of this.
 
To be fair, do have to correct one thing. Alabama is not a blue state. It is a deep red state that picked Trump in both 2016 and 2020. However the libruls going after red states or Trump supporters over vaccine hesitancy is laughable. Vaccine hesitancy is mostly a socio-economic issue, not red state versus blue state. Most of the hesitancy is in the inner city areas and even deep red states have those.
Oops. My bad. Got Georgia and Alabama confused. OK, strike that one.
 
I suppose this will be an unpopular opinion, but so much of this blame-gaming is counterproductive. We need to beat this pandemic, and this means pulling together.
I would have agreed with you a couple of years ago. But, the left want to be able to use every good crisis like the pandemic for political reasons and then turn around and want to play fair after the fact.
 
You spread disinformation as you have no evidence to support your claims, which are false. Without evidence, your claims are unfounded and dismissed as a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and need not be debated further. You can't show that CA has higher rates of new cases and lower vax rates than many red states not on the border.
Everything I said was accurate, except for the fact that I got Georgia and Alabama confused. Maybe YOU could post links proving I'm wrong.
 
Nice attempt at diversion. Why are you concentrating on illegals when the issue is much broader? Or do you think only illegals bring viruses into your country? Perhaps you (conveniently?), forgot that your own citizens also bring in the disease themselves.
And for your information there already exist travel restrictions at US-Mexico border crossings. You might want to read this...
You might also want to consider why idiots like Gov. Abbott repealed restrictions so soon. Furthermore migrants who test positive at the border are directed to local hotels for isolation. Facts are your friends; your misinformation won't win you any.
Well, he makes a very valid point. Democrats are letting the virus flood across the border in droves while having travel limitations to legitimate countries and requiring facemasks for travel. They are wanting to intimidate employers and businesses into requiring vaccines but vaccines are not required for illegals pouring across the border.
 
We're telling everybody to get vaccinated, and the right is hosing their reader and viewer base with either antivaxxer nonsense or grievance over trump not getting credit for the vaccine.

You can't bothsides your way out of this.
You must admit that my OP is true because you didn't say one thing to counter it.
 
Well, he makes a very valid point. Democrats are letting the virus flood across the border in droves while having travel limitations to legitimate countries and requiring facemasks for travel. They are wanting to intimidate employers and businesses into requiring vaccines but vaccines are not required for illegals pouring across the border.
Odd that we're not seeing the surges in border states. Are the border crossers going to Missouri, Florida, Alabama, Georgia etc.?

Just for perspective:

New Cases per 100K:
CA: 8.6
MO: 36
FL: 44.8
LA: 47.2
AL: 22.6
GA: 13.8

Source
 
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1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Biden says that Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama's next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and, with cases rising in all 50 states, still isn't encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns.

OK.
Thanks for your take on things.
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Well, he makes a very valid point. Democrats are letting the virus flood across the border in droves while having travel limitations to legitimate countries and requiring facemasks for travel. They are wanting to intimidate employers and businesses into requiring vaccines but vaccines are not required for illegals pouring across the border.
Why are you insisting on lying? I already showed you that Covid restrictions for migrants are in place. There is no "flood" or "droves" of anything except in your imagination.
 
I suppose this will be an unpopular opinion, but so much of this blame-gaming is counterproductive. We need to beat this pandemic, and this means pulling together.

So how do we reach the anti-vaxxers, nota? "Pretty please with sugar on top" is not working.
 
1. The left congratulate states such as California, the LA area, and the Bay area for their high vaccination rates as this is what is needed to stop the virus. And yet the virus is surging in California, the LA area, and the Bay area to the point that masks are now required again and they are contemplating vaccine mandates. Must be all of those Trump supporters and what about how those high vaccination rates work?

2. Jen Psaki claims it is not the White House's role to place blame on the unvaccinated for the spread of the virus. But Biden says that Facebook is killing millions of people. Meanwhile, she refuses to answer a question regarding making vaccines mandatory in the near future, even though they will not place blame on the unvaccinated for the current spread of the virus.

3. Psaki several times has referred to the young as the largest group needing indentifying as being the largest group of the unvaccinated. And yet the left and the lefty media claim it is the Trump supporters. Must be all of those young Trump supporters.

4. The left blame all of those Trump supporters in Alabama for the state's lowest vaccination rate in the country after of course saying that it is not their role to place blame and yet, hey, wait a minute, Alabama is a blue state and yet they have the highest unvaccinated rate in the country. Again, it must be all of those Trump supporters but, hey, wait a minute, the state is Biden Blue and yet they have the lowest vaccination rate in the country. How is it that with more people in Alabama voting for Biden than for Trump that they are the state with the lowest vaccination rate due to all of those Trump supporters? Who wins the electoral votes from Alabama's next election, the Biden blues, or the unvaccinated Trump supporters who will be forced by the Democrats to get a vaccine that they apparently don't want?

5. The vaccine works at stopping the virus but the virus is rising in all 50 states, including the blue states. Does the vaccine work or not? Again, it's all of those damn Trump supporters in those blue states, some of those states being the most highly vaccinated states in the country, refer back to California, point #1.

6. The left and the lefty media attack Trump for not coming out and placing blame on the unvaccinated while Psaki says the White House's role is not to place blame on the unvaccinated. It's Facebook's fault that there are unvaccinated even though it was Facebook that banned Trump.

7. The left claim that Trump had no Covid plan and Biden does while Trump is the one who was putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket (including prepaying for doses for all Americans (red and blue)) but not encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns, while Biden's Covid plan is putting all of his eggs in the vaccine basket and, with cases rising in all 50 states, still isn't encouraging facemask wearing or wanting lockdowns.

Why do you arrogantly believe that you know more than all health officials combined?
 
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