The meltdown has been epic

[Integrityrespec]

This is a huge decision and a big moment in history it was always going to elicit an emotional response.

The Justices clearly did lie and people are upset and being vocal about it.

Yes, people get upset at decisions like this that seemingly set the country back decades and seemingly against the populkar opinion on this issue.

Silly! The original decsion on Roe was wrong. 9th ad 10th amendment tells you that. Read it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Wow, you're amazingly obtuse. You ask for examples and I provide, and you respond with this vacuous tripe.

Is it not a factual statement that none those examples has yet been written down in draft legislation?

"None of that has happened yet so let me know when it does," says the guy who was probably saying for years Roe would never be overturned. You're too consumed with the prospect that a "left talking point" might be supported by current events than you are in addressing the actual facts.

No, I'm fed up with the left's lies about it, such as the Constitutional Right to an Abortion. There is no such 'right'.

Your skepticism is irrelevant to the fact that this has already happened. The well established Constitutional Right of bodily autonomy has been stripped away from more than a hundred million Americans because of the religious views of just five people.

Yet another of the left's hyperbole that this decision from SCOTUS was a religious driven one. The legal scholar criticisms of the R v W decision have been well documented and commented on even by RGB.

These people never would have been confirmed had they not intentionally misled during their confirmation hearings. So much for being the party of liberty, freedom and "family values." This decision stands no chance of preventing a single abortion from happening, but it will result in the deaths of countless women and children.

Yet more of the left's hyperventilation, obfuscation of the facts, and pushing their demanded political push narrative. Aborting has not been banned, the restrictions on abortion have been turned over to the state legislatures rather than federal.

We know, because we've already lived through a period when abortion was criminalized. It was as useless as Prohibition.

A non-sequitur analogy / comparison.

I've never heard that "Left talking point." Not once, and neither have you. But we've both heard it claimed to be a talking point from the talking heads in Right Wing media. That's one of their recently preferred talking points, but beats a straw man and ignores basic facts.

So much leftist bullshit.

1. Abortion is allowed upon request in nearly all European nations.

A non-factual assertion.

2. Abortion restrictions vary in Europe same as they do in the USA

Fair. There are variances which I did not misrepresent, speaking in the general case as I did.

3. Only the tiny Island of Malta has an all out ban with no exceptions.

4. Right Wingers don't want "exceptions" to abortion. With Dobbs they've taken it upon themselves to push the envelope as far as they can.

Yet more non-factual assertion. Constructing a strawman piñata argument here for your hate of others with differing opinions on this, aren't you?

 

[eohrnberger]

5. The 6 week heartbeat restriction is based on fake science that was gleefully adopted by Republicans. A fetus doesn't have a cardiovascular system at 6 weeks, let alone a "heartbeat."

Odd that you drag this in, when it was not a point I raised in referring to abortion restriction which typically range between 15 and 20 weeks. Now why is that? Which audience is it you wish to enflame?

6. There are already 9 states that have banned abortion between 0-6 week, well before most women realize they're pregnant.
7. Most states already had restrictions against late term abortions, what Dobbs did was remove the constitutional right.

The constitutional right claimed has yet to be proven as such. One of the reasons for rescinding a poor previous SCOTUS decision has already been documented for you.

This is just more nonsensical talking points. No side has demonstrated an ability to jettison itself to the far end of the spectrum like the Right has in recent years. From supporting an autocrat, to making excuses for him, to armed insurrection, to talks of seceding from the country, to planting radical judges so they could legislate from the bench, etc. There is nothing even remotely comparable to the Left here.

More diversion about the right. Disregarded on that basis.
It is a truism that which the left accuses other of is what they themselves are guilty of, having been proven so often it can be taken as fact.

The fact you folks on the Right continuously ignore is that abortion has been going down dramatically over the past couple of decades, and the reasons for that had to do with the rapid expansion and access to contraception. But Republicans have traditionally fought tooth and nail against that. They attacked the idea to attack Obamacare, and I remember Rush Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a "slut" because like a typical right winger, his uneducated understanding thought contraception was only about sex. The fact is the abortion rate was literally cut in half throughout Obama's two terms in office, so your suggestion that the Left has no interest in reducing abortions is unfounded at best. Expanded access to contraceptives is the most effective way to reduce abortions, and only the "Left" has done anything to make that happen. And now, you see as I have shown, there are Republicans proposing legislation to prevent access to contraceptives.

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Notice how abortions only go up during Trump and Bush. Weird huh?

Non-sequitur and immaterial diversion. Disregarded as such. Is not the topic a legal decision rendered by SCOTUS based on the legal criticisms of the poor Roe v. Wade SCOTUS decision?

 

[Luckyone]

Silly! The original decsion on Roe was wrong. 9th ad 10th amendment tells you that. Read it.

It does not matter if it was originally wrong or not. The Supreme Court of the land 52 years ago decided it was the right decision and the Supreme Court of the land is supposed to be Supreme, no?

Overturning any decisions suggests that the Supreme Court is not Supreme and can make mistakes and that opens a huge can of worms for the future because any opinion given by the Supreme Court can now be perhaps wrong and if so, it is no LONGER Supreme.

Evidently, what changed was the opinion on how to interpret the law and that means that interpretation is now the rule and given that interpretation is different from person to person and especially politically, it makes the Supreme Court political and not impartial as it should be.

Any way you look at it, this decision was wrong as it is going to do more damage to the law than whatever good you think it makes.

In addition, the original decision was right (not wrong as you say) for the simple reason that it makes women lesser human beings than men. Men have full control of their own bodies, in fact they have the right to impregnate a woman even if they don't want to be impregnated. Women have now lost control of their own bodies. If you think that changing this decision is the right thing to do (based on the Constitution), then in this respect it is the Constitution that is wrong and not the the ruling 52 years ago. As such, it is the Constitution that should be changed and not the law. This is breaking a God given right, which is control of your OWN body.