"The Lowest White Man"

[Individualism]

Is that what you believe? Why would I do that?

Why not ? In my view, you clearly think you have found the solution for an utopia so in the way stands: individualists, conservatives, religious groups, rich people, capitalism, libertarians, etc.

What if we don't want to participate in the fairy tale of socialism ? What is your plan to change our mind ?

Benie has no power. In my opinion, The CIA has fought socialism and communism all over the world, is not like they will allow a man that spent his vacations in the Soviet Union praising the lines of bread there to have some real status in America.

But, in my estimation, if Bernie had the power that is a whole different story. Idealists like yourself would be perfect for the job to enforce "equality".

 

[Lisa]

Why not ? In my view, you clearly think you have found the solution for an utopia so in the way stands: individualists, conservatives, religious groups, rich people, capitalism, libertarians, etc.

What if we don't want to participate in the fairy tale of socialism ? What is your plan to change our mind ?

Benie has no power. In my opinion, The CIA has fought socialism and communism all over the world, is not like they will allow a man that spent his vacations in the Soviet Union praising the lines of bread there to have some real status in America.

But, in my estimation, if Bernie had the power that is a whole different story. Idealists like yourself would be perfect for the job to enforce "equality".

How would your life be better if there were no government regulations on corporations, no taxes, no separation of church and state and almost no laws to protect minorities? You must hate living in Canada that is farther left than the US.

How do you fear that I would enforce equality?

 

[Individualism]

How would your life be better if there were no government regulations on corporations, no taxes, no separation of church and state and almost no laws to protect minorities? You must hate living in Canada that is farther left than the US.
How do you fear that I would enforce equality?

1. List one law that discriminates against minorities. "Laws to protect minorities" ? You mean affirmative action which steps on individual rights.

2. I respect the house that I am in (Canada) and follow the laws of the land.

3. Idealism is the key for propagandists to gain access to your mind. Do you think the average german or soviet citizen got up in the morning set to commit attrocities ? Of course not, is a process and some of us smell it. I have heard the rhetoric of Bernie Sanders before. In practice, I know where it leads.

 

[Lisa]

1. List one law that discriminates against minorities. "Laws to protect minorities"? You mean affirmative action which steps on individual rights.

2. I respect the house that I am in (Canada) and follow the laws of the land.

3. Idealism is the key for propagandists to gain access to your mind. Do you think the average German or soviet citizen got up in the morning set to commit atrocities? Of course not, is a process and some of us smell it. I have heard the rhetoric of Bernie Sanders before. In practice, I know where it leads.

You seem to think that Bernie Sanders would support what happened in east Germany, Russia, China, N Korea, and Cambodia, but you have nothing to support it because it isn't true. Would Justin Trudeau support those failed states? Bernies biggest problem is that he used the technically correct word socialist when for most people he should have used the word progressive or FDR democrat because Bernie and Justin are almost exactly the same. Bernie Sanders is a civil libertarian and would oppose the ideas that you seem to want to link him with because you don't have a fundamental understanding of poli-sci. I have a minor in political philosophy and my views border on left-libertarianism/anarchy, so why would I support Bernie if what you are claiming is true? Bernie is not an authoritarian on civil rights.

BTW, How does affirmative action step on individual rights?

 

[Individualism]

You seem to think that Bernie Sanders would support what happened in east Germany, Russia, China, N Korea, and Cambodia, but you have nothing to support it because it isn't true. Would Justin Trudeau support those failed states? Bernies biggest problem is that he used the technically correct word socialist when for most people he should have used the word progressive or FDR democrat because Bernie and Justin are almost exactly the same. Bernie Sanders is a civil libertarian and would oppose the ideas that you seem to want to link him with because you don't have a fundamental understanding of poli-sci. I have a minor in political philosophy and my views border on left-libertarianism/anarchy, so why would I support Bernie if what you are claiming is true? Bernie is not an authoritarian on civil rights.
BTW, How does affirmative action step on individual rights?

1) Of course not, Stalin and Mao also wanted good for the people. It is not Bernie Sanders that concern me, is the irrational masses that follow him.

2) I don't think you know much about Canada except the marketing that it gets presented it to you.

3) I have a master in the mathematics field and I understand patterns. Politics is no different.

4) How is affirmative action NOT stepping on individual rights ?

 

[Lisa]

1) Of course not, Stalin and Mao also wanted good for the people. It is not Bernie Sanders that concern me, is the irrational masses that follow him.

2) I don't think you know much about Canada except the marketing that it gets presented it to you.

3) I have a master's in the mathematics field and I understand patterns. Politics is no different.

4) How is affirmative action NOT stepping on individual rights ?

Stalin and Mao were brutal dictators who sought personal power, unlike Bernie. Bernie is a civil libertarian and opposes authoritarian policies. Bernie has been very vocal in his opposition to Trump and the GOP's support of fascist policies.

I've been to Canada many times, so it's not just marketing.

I'm a BSME and live statistics, so I am equally skilled at seeing patterns.

How is affirmative action a violation of your rights? Is there a right to a college education or a job?

 

[ultmd]

Hitler blamed the problem on Jews and the Treaty of Versailles that crippled Germany after the war.

Replies 2 and 3 are incoherent. Trump has never produced anything of value and yet you follow him like a puppy. he has g failed upwards all of his life because of his name and his father's money or influence. What has Mitch, Ms. Lindsey, or Dubya done with their life to produce anything? Bill Barr has been a lifelong legal scumbag, starting with the Nixon administration. Bernie Sanders has spent his life in public policy and has continually fought for the underdog. I respect that.

The last decent republican was Dwight Eisenhower who was a lifelong civil servant, stating at West Point, WW1, WW2, and then the POTUS. He is 10x the leader that the current GOP could ever be. The US government isn't to be run like a business because every time it has been tried tio crashed. The government is the opposite of a business and it is to provide a high-quality service for the people that supports the society in which it exists. Hopefully, that service can break even but the quality of the service is far more important than the cost. Libertarians still have yet to grasp this very basic concept of public service.

^^^^THIS^^^^

I'd just add that Bill Barr isn't just a "lifelong legal scumbag"....he's just a career legal pretender who, at the age of about 70, has managed to ingratiate himself to politically powerful people well enough to be named US Att. Gen. TWICE....despite NEVER having tried a single case in court...at ANY level. Not even traffic court.

In other words, he's a perfect hire for the Trump administration.

He, too, should be facing professional (if not legal) sanctions after Jan 20, 2021, for his conduct in office.

 

[ultmd]

4) How is affirmative action NOT stepping on individual rights ?

Huh?

Other than offending the sensibilities of a lot of white men with racial resentment issues....this strikes me as an incredibly shallow argument.

Care to back that up with a coherent, fact-based argument?

 

[Individualism]

How is affirmative action a violation of your rights?

lot of white men with racial resentment issues.

Do you really want to play this group thinking game ? Ok, why not, play this:

In the US, the evidence is unequal outcomes, where it is presumed that all unequal outcomes are derived from bias (without evidence). In fact, unequal outcomes, as has been repeatedly demonstrated, are largely culturally based.

Asians and Jews do better than Whites because of the priority parents put on education, and because of fewer single parent families.

African-Americans perform worse due to more single parent families and a low cultural priority on education.

 

[ultmd]

Do you really want to play this group thinking game ?

What the heck is a "group thinking game"?

Stop speaking in alt-right message-board talking points. Speak coherent English.

I asked you a simple question:

• Other than offending the sensibilities of a lot of white men with racial resentment issues....this strikes me as an incredibly shallow argument.

Answer the question.

Ok, why not, play this:

In the US, the evidence is unequal outcomes, where it is presumed that all unequal outcomes are derived from bias (without evidence).

I asked you for a "coherent, fact-based argument" in support of your view that "affirmative action steps on individual rights". The above is a bunch of garbled nonsense that I don't even think you understand.

Who are these people who "presume that all unequal outcomes are derived from bias"? Can you name ANYONE who has stated (or even hinted) at such a position? Anyone at all? Or, perhaps, did you just pull that lie directly from your hind-quarters?

In fact, unequal outcomes, as has been repeatedly demonstrated, are largely culturally based. Asians and Jews do better than Whites because of the priority parents put on education, and because of fewer single parent families. African-Americans perform worse due to more single parent families and a low cultural priority on education.

So, it's clear you are either uneducated about this topic, or you're just dishonest. Hard to say which, at this point.

But the above is NOT a "fact". Not in ANY way. It's an opinion, one that is held by (as I stated previously) a lot of conservative white people with high levels of racial resentment. It is not a "fact".

But, more importantly, what does ANY of the drivel you've provided so far have to do with whether, or not, Affirmative Action steps on individual rights? Who are these "individuals"? What "rights" (specifically) are being "stepped on"?

If you want to have a thoughtful, intelligent discussion about this, you're going to have to do better. This is not some alt-right message board, and I'm not one of the low-info types you might be used to engaging on those boards.

So....try again. As your first lady might say "Be Better".

 

[Individualism]

This is not some alt-right message board, and I'm not one of the low-info types you might be used to engaging on those boards.

1) Not sure what you are talking about. I use only this board. I find while working if I distract my mind my productivity is better in between. Is like thinking outside the box, so you can focus better on things that matter like a career. Me trying to convince you to see things my way is not even on my top 10. Believe and think what you want.

2) My views are a combination of reading everywhere, life experiences and some Ayn Rand literature. After all I got a master in the sphere of mathematics from a respected university. Probably in 10-15 years Gottfried Leibniz and Isaac Newton will be declared white supremacists if people like you ever get real power.

3) I found when upset about how other people see the world is to relax, take a deep breath and drink some tea. Is good for you.

 

[ultmd]

1) Not sure what you are talking about. I use only this board. I find while working if I distract my mind my productivity is better in between. Is like thinking outside the box, so you can focus better on things that matter like a career. Me trying to convince you to see things my way is not even on my top 10. Believe and think what you want.

2) My views are a combination of reading everywhere, life experiences and some Ayn Rand literature. After all I got a master in the sphere of mathematics from a respected university. Probably in 10-15 years Gottfried Leibniz and Isaac Newton will be declared white supremacists if people like you ever get real power.

3) I found when upset about how other people see the world is to relax, take a deep breath and drink some tea. Is good for you.

This ^^^^ is just more deflection from you.

Congrats on the graduate degree, but I have no interest in that. I have a few sheepskins on my walls as well. Who cares? They are irrelevant to this discussion....and I'm sure you are as uninterested in them as I am in yours. However, I can definitely see the Ayn Rand influences in your arguments....they seem to be full of fluff that you can't back up.

So, that said....for the 3rd time now....I'm asking you for facts, stats, research, links, etc....to back up your claim that "affirmative action steps on individual rights".

And, again....for the 3rd time now...answer my questions (which are all based upon your own stated arguments in this thread):

• You claimed that people "presume all unequal outcomes come from bias". Who are these people? Can you list a few? Or did you just pull that Strawman from your hindparts?
• You claimed that "Affirmative Action steps on individual rights". Which individuals' 'rights' are being stepped on? And what "rights" are you talking about? Please, be specific.
• You claimed it a "fact" that "unequal outcomes have been repeatedly demonstrated to be largely culturally based"...and (as a corollary to that canard) that black people place a "low priority on education". Please back that up with the relevant research.

It's really pretty simple, Individualism. Either you can back up your stated arguments with facts, research links, etc....or you and I will both understand that your "facts" are little more than standard white-grievance opinions of a pseudointellectual bigot.

 

[Individualism]

This ^^^^ is just more deflection from you.

It is not important for me to prove my views in front of you. It did strike a nerve though, I can tell, for sure you are making your living in this sphere of affirmative action, meaning your productivity to society is almost at zero.

Oh and the grievance part, that is just amazing, I love capitalism and did quite well. You are confusing me with the Trump union worker. As for the white this, white that, now I understand how Shapiro feels when he is called a far right alt-righter.

I did do some research for you though:

5 Ways Chamomile Tea Benefits Your Health

Chamomile is an herb that has long been consumed as a natural health remedy. This article reviews the top 5 benefits of chamomile tea.

www.healthline.com

 

[ultmd]

It is not important for me to prove my views in front of you.

....typical shallowness.

The name of this board is the "DEBATE POLITICS" Board, not "Share Your Uneducated Opinions and Ignorant Biases...and then Run Away When Asked to Defend Them" Board.

So, as I suspected when I challenged your original remarks, you're one of "those" types who hides behind ignorant, pseudo-intellectual talking points in order to rationalize/justify views that are really nothing more than thinly-veiled racial resentment and bigotry. And when challenged, you can't defend them....and you don't care. Those are the attributes of the kind of people who believe "Affirmative Action steps on individual rights", etc. etc. Those are the sentiments of the kind of people I referenced earlier (i.e. conservative white guys with high levels of racial resentment/white grievance).

Clearly, you fancy yourself as an intelligent, objective person. That's the hallmark of all Ayn Rand followers (regardless of all evidence to the contrary). And yet, just as clearly, your views about race and "culture" (as you call it) are subjective and emotional (not objective and rational). You can't defend them substantively. I've asked you, about 4 times now, to back them up with the objective stats, data, research, etc....which SHOULD be easy for any TRUE Ayn Rand follower....and you can't do it.

You're a bit of a fraud, it seems. At best, you're the weakest Ayn Rand follower I've ever come across. But, more likely, you're just another conservative attempting to hide behind that label in order to justify personal bigotry and anti-intellectualism that you cannot otherwise justify.

We clear?

It did strike a nerve though, I can tell, for sure you are making your living in this sphere of affirmative action, meaning your productivity to society is almost at zero.

..... You'd be very wrong in that conjecture. People like you work for people like me.

It really doesn't require much frontal cortex bandwidth to sniff out the pseudo-intellectualism and bigotry of white grievance ideology, thinly disguised as "objectivity",etc. Be honest. If you could defend the ignorant, bigoted remarks you made....you'd have done so by you. You won't, because you can't. You realize that your earlier comments were not the "facts" you claimed them to be, but instead were simply ignorant, bigoted personal opinions that you HOPED to pass off as "facts". Clearly, we both know that.

Oh and the grievance part, that is just amazing, I love capitalism and did quite well. You are confusing me with the Trump union worker. As for the white this, white that, now I understand how Shapiro feels when he is called a far right alt-righter.

No, I think I have you pegged just about right. You are what you are.

What you are NOT, is someone who equipped to defend or debate your own political views.....on a message board DEDICATED to that very thing, called : "DEBATE POLITICS"

I did do some research for you though:

5 Ways Chamomile Tea Benefits Your Health

Chamomile is an herb that has long been consumed as a natural health remedy. This article reviews the top 5 benefits of chamomile tea.

www.healthline.com

Still more deflection. Anything to avoid answering my 3 simple questions for you, huh?

Who wouldn't thought that a self-described Ayn Rand follower would turn out to be such so incapable of defending his own views?

If you were a dog (and I'm not calling you a dog...don't get all snowflakey on me), you'd be showing me your belly right now.

 

[Individualism]

Still more deflection. Anything to avoid answering my 3 simple questions for you, huh?

You definitely did not take my advice for some tea. I am starting to think that you are all bitter about the fact that I informed you that you made an initial error. Actually, I don't think it was an error, it was a Freudian slip "There need to be a binary choice between unfettered Capitalism, and "Socialism".

If I value an interaction I will clearly invest in that interaction. In my interaction with you, there is no value, I can't understand logically what can I possible benefit from me spending time quoting some articles or studies about affirmative actions that are on the other side from what you think is the truth. For what ? You are clearly someone obsessed with race and racism that lectures everyone how they should think or act. You are just another individual with an opinion, find your own path. I am not here to change your opinion. I don't think I have the whole truth. We are all acting on BIAS and experiences regardless of what your Operating System aka the Brain tells you. Some of us are less hypocrites than others.

Again for the 4th time, try that tea. I will guarantee you is like smoking a joint and then you can imagine people like me working for people like you.

To quote the Talmud: "To each its own" .

 

[ultmd]

You definitely did not take my advice for some tea. I am starting to think that you are all bitter about the fact that I informed you that you made an initial error. Actually, I don't think it was an error, it was a Freudian slip "There need to be a binary choice between unfettered Capitalism, and "Socialism".

If I value an interaction I will clearly invest in that interaction. In my interaction with you, there is no value, I can't understand logically what can I possible benefit from me spending time quoting some articles or studies about affirmative actions that are on the other side from what you think is the truth. For what ? You are clearly someone obsessed with race and racism that lectures everyone how they should think or act. You are just another individual with an opinion, find your own path. I am not here to change your opinion. I don't think I have the whole truth. We are all acting on BIAS and experiences regardless of what your Operating System aka the Brain tells you. Some of us are less hypocrites than others.

Again for the 4th time, try that tea. I will guarantee you is like smoking a joint and then you can imagine people like me working for people like you.

To quote the Talmud: "To each its own" .

....Rewind...Press: "Play":

Still more deflection. Anything to avoid answering my 3 simple questions for you, huh? You can't hide from that. I won't allow it.

Bottom line, here: You got out over your skis....wrote some verbal checks that you quickly realized your brain couldn't cash.

Your "facts" about race and Affirmative Action were discredited, right along with your facade. Shallow pseudo-intellectualism almost always meets with the same fate, and in much the same way as yours just did.

Got it. Trust me, people can see that.

 

[Individualism]

Got it. Trust me, people can see that.

Good and what right do I have to tell you or others what to think ? You can say and do whatever you want to whoever you want as long as the forum rules are followed. Every-time I will interact with you, I will not provide once cite or quote, because you don't decide what is to be talked about on "Debate Politics" including what you so call "pseudo-intellectualism". I already told you, is not pseudo-intellectualism, is an investment which I am not interested to engage in. At the end you will believe what you want as you clearly are obsessive with topics like alt-right, racism, white, white privilege, I am surprised you did not use the word nazi so far. There is hope.

You are like the Trump supporter that says: "in America, only the american way". This forum is being used by individuals for different reasons. I enjoy coming here writing, reading for a few minutes then I go back to productivity. If I wanted to argue like a politician I would chose a script and go into politics like a sheep. Next thing you know, I will start believing Bernie or Donald are the Messiah and are putting money in my pocket.

 

[ultmd]

Good and what right do I have to tell you or others what to think ?

The above would be a non-sequitur. And your inability to engage in substantive intellectual discourse has been duly noted.

You can say and do whatever you want to whoever you want as long as the forum rules are followed. Every-time I will interact with you, I will not provide once cite or quote, because you don't decide what is to be talked about on "Debate Politics" including what you so call "pseudo-intellectualism".

The rules allow to note your inability to back up your arguments about race, affirmative action and black "culture". And the rules allow me to conclude, after seeing you repeatedly avoid simple, direct questions, that your attempts to cloak your ignorant white-grievance issues in the garment of academia....blew up in your face.

I'm sure we can agree on that much.

I already told you, is not pseudo-intellectualism, is an investment which I am not interested to engage in. At the end you will believe what you want

And I "already told you" that if you thought you could defend your ignorant remarks, you'd have done so by now. You won't, because you can't. But you are perfectly entitled to hide behind whatever facade you choose. It's a common tactic of people like you.

You are like the Trump supporter that says: "in America, only the american way".

.....says the ACTUAL Trump acolyte.

The above is like being called "ugly" by a bullfrog. LOL.

 

[Individualism]

.....says the ACTUAL Trump acolyte.

I have been investing for quite some years now and again I received confirmation by not engaging with individuals like yourself it saved me time and energy. Your mind is already made up. The program is already written.

One of my electives in university was about cults, it was fascinating literature they said that you can spot people in groups by constantly having the mentality us vs them.

What I wrote (what set you off) was observing the dynamics of groups,. I am fundamentally against group thinking of any type, as a matter of fact some groups make it harder for the individual to succeed. I actually have more respect from an individual from the African American community that works hard and becomes successful because they ALSO have to overcome people like you. I remember one of the first things my father told me once we arrived to North America was to stay away from agitators that are constantly pointing the finger at the status quo. It is enabling failure.

Unless the market changes, there is no investing in quotes, cites, etc, etc, etc. in my interaction with you. The return is not great.

 

[ultmd]

I have been investing for quite some years now and again I received confirmation by not engaging with individuals like yourself it saved me time and energy. Your mind is already made up. The program is already written.

LOL....You're still taking the coward's way out. In reality, we both know that my "mind" isn't the issue here. Your fear, once challenged to back up your white-grievance views, is all that is in play, here.

One of my electives in university was about cults, it was fascinating literature they said that you can spot people in groups by constantly having the mentality us vs them.

So...you took "ONE ELECTIVE" in "university", huh?

So you're Canadian, or British, I see. And yet, you feel entitled enough to pretend that your clueless personal opinions are "the facts" about African-Americans...about Affirmative Action...and about black "culture", huh?

Tell me, have you been to the U.S.? If so, how often? How much time have you spent in the U.S.? Do you even know any African-Americans? Have you spent any appreciable amount of time with/around African-American families or communities?

This just keeps getting better and better....

What I wrote (what set you off) was observing the dynamics of groups,.

Hmmm.....so, you have "observed groups", including black people, huh? Academically, or anecdotally? What observations have you conducted? Be specific.

I think we're about to find out that your "facts" and your "observations" have come from afar, and have nothing to do with any personal, academic study on your part. In other words, you're just another entitled white guy who thinks his opinions and grievances reflect the objective "facts", and his "biases" reflect common sense.

I am fundamentally against group thinking of any type, as a matter of fact some groups make it harder for the individual to succeed.

No, you're not. You're just against anything that doesn't re-inforce your existing personal biases. It's a classic pseudo-intellectual mentality. In truth, you're a conservative ideologue, and you have no problem with that "group".

I actually have more respect from an individual from the African American community that works hard and becomes successful because they ALSO have to overcome people like you.

Really? Well that's odd, considering the fact that I am an African-American...and the TRUTH is that people like you are the kind of people that people like me have been overcoming all of our lives. It's why people like you work for people like me.

I remember one of the first things my father told me once we arrived to North America was to stay away from agitators that are constantly pointing the finger at the status quo. It is enabling failure.

Let's leave your father out of this discussion. I've never conversed with him, and I'd hate to tar him with the labels that apply to people like you.

Unless the market changes, there is no investing in quotes, cites, etc, etc, etc. in my interaction with you. The return is not great.

More moronic deflection from you.

There's also no great return on spouting ignorant, emotion-based, white-grievance talking points...and yet, you did it anyway.

Bottom line: You made some ignorant, bigoted remarks...lied about them being "the facts".....quickly realized you couldn't back them up...and you've been trying, desperately, to preserve your ego, ever since.

 

[Individualism]

Took one elective, what exactly is the productivity of the social sciences ? I was more focused on Gottfried Leibniz, a white supremacist of course, he just happened to invent calculus.

Ok great, so you are not some white communist, I like that spirit, I enjoy talking to African-Americans that stand up for their community. That is how is done in every group, with "us" in the jewish community and with "the whites" in Middle America. Is called tribalism. "We" don't look at the problem in our community and "we" like to point the finger towards the whites, Palestinians, african-americans, etc, etc.

It's why people like you work for people like me. Louis Farrakhan is that you ?

Someone that is comfortable on their success has nothing to prove so I sure hope you tantrum here is not a reflection of you doubting the position that you are in. That is paranoia put out by agitators to constantly make you hate the status quo which is what it gave you success in the first place.

 

[Integrityrespec]

“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
--LBJ, speaking privately to his young press secretary (and future legendary biographer and PBS host, Bill Moyer) on the campaign trail in rural Tennessee, during the 1960 presidential campaign, in response to the prevalence of signage featuring vulgar and incendiary racial epithets at his rallies.

As a lifelong conservative Southern Democrat, turned progressive, LBJ understood the mentality of white conservatives. It's the political philosophy that was developed by former Strom Thurmond and Nixon strategist Harry Dent.

To put it all in proper historical context, one must understand that Dent's protégé' during the Nixon years, Kevin Phillips, would go on the be Nixon's chief strategist. Phillips' protégé during the Nixon years (i.e. Lee Atwater) would go on to be Bush, Sr's campaign manager. And Atwater's protégé (i.e. Karl Rove) would go on to be the campaign manager and chief strategist for the W. Bush administration.

Donald Trump's rise, and the entire "MAGA Movement", were built upon exploitation of the "Lowest White Man" principle. And, even in defeat, 48% of the country supported it.

And yet, the TRUTH is that poor and middle class whites AND non-whites actually share the SAME economic needs and interests...and enemies. Democrats understand this. African-Americans understand this. But white conservatives have been duped into voting against their best interests, by the "Boogieman" of Race. LBJ stated it accurately (and best) 60 years ago, but I don't believe many of us believed his words would still ring so true in 2020 America.

So again, it's no secret how and why white middle class (and below) white conservatives consistently vote against their own interests. Racial resentment and fear is the virus that continues to infect America. It's the virus that the wealthy exploit, shamelessly, to maintain power. And it's the virus that prevents America from being living up to its founding ideals. And it's the virus that will (unless confronted and neutralized) will lead to America's downfall as a liberal democracy.

Now, with Trump's defeat and demise...and with Trump's legacy as a failed, one-term, corrupt president ensured....there is, at least, some hope for redemption. But only if liberals, progressives and Never Trumpers grasp the reality that the so-called "Battle for the soul of America" does not end with Trump's defeat at the hands of Biden. After 4 disgraceful, shameful, demoralizing and embarrassing years of Trump's America, if decent Americans do not FINALLY understand (and embrace) the reality that bigots, racists and low-information "deplorables" can only be defeated (and not reformed or reasoned with), America will become the Roman Empire. The fall of the Roman Empire begin in 395 AD, and the empire was complete by about 476 AD (i.e. only 80 years).

It's time for Democrats and Never Trumpers to take on, and discredit, the "Lowest White Man" issue. The way to do that is NOT by attacking Trumpers, but by taking on the REAL forces behind the exploitation of poor/middle class white Americans and small businesses (and every other major demographic group, as well): Corporate America and a few hundred "ultra-wealthy" families in our society. There need to be a binary choice between unfettered Capitalism, and "Socialism". For 2 generations (and counting) weak-minded Democrats have failed in that public debate, during which time, the Republicans have LITERALLY sold their souls to (i.e. been bought off by) those very interests (i.e. Corporate America and the ultra-wealthy). It's time to do better.

America, this is our second chance. Wake up, and don't waste it!

Russia Trump Collusion, Ukrainian phone call impeachment, FISA warrant fraud, McGabe lies to FBI, Politizing the Virus. Hunter Biden takes millions in influence peddling, Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier and signed off on the idea of using it to deflect from her illegal server. But you think Trump is corrupt. how naive.

 

[ultmd]

Took one elective, what exactly is the productivity of the social sciences ?

What is the "productivity" of Anthropology, Archaeology, Economics, Geography, History, Law, Linguistics, Politics, Psychology and Sociology?

Seriously?

You don't have to find them interesting, personally...but if you don't recognize the value in the Social Sciences, you just might be a bit more shallow and narrow-minded than I thought.

I was more focused on Gottfried Leibniz...he just happened to invent calculus.

That's a nice little snapshot of history. But, of course, we all know that the origins of Calculus and mathematical analysis dates back LONG before Leibniz and Newton in the 17th century Europe...to Abul Wafa, Ibn Al-Haythm, etc.....in 11th Century Africa.

Ok great, so you are not some white communist,

Hardly. Unfortunately, you really ARE a poorly/mis-educated, entitled white dude who spews ignorance regarding "groups" of people (you do not know), and about "communities" (to which you've never been exposed). Your rhetoric is garden-variety white-grievance, white-nationalist claptrap. And again, that is unfortunate, for you.

I like that spirit, I enjoy talking to African-Americans that stand up for their community.

No one cares. I, on the other hand, enjoy holding thoughtful, intelligence, substantive, FACT-BASED discussions with people of all varieties....which means I'm the one wasting time, here.

That is how is done in every group, with us in the jewish community and with the whites in Middle America. Is called tribalism. We don't look at the problem in our community and we like to point the finger towards the whites, Palestinians, african-americans, etc, etc.

Dumbest thing you've said in this thread. And that's saying a lot.

Tribalism is not Racism. Tribalism is not Anti-intellectualism. Rationalizing your brand of bigotry and racism only passes muster with other people like you.

To the rest of us, it's easily identified, and quickly dismissed for the intellectually dishonest b.s. that it is.

It's why people like you work for people like me.

Louis Farrakhan is that you ?

LOL, Farrakhan wouldn't hire you. I would, and you'd be lucky to work for me. But the minute you spoke to, or treated one of my patients in a manner reflective of your ignorant, white-grievance politics....you'd be gone. And I'd let every one of your future employers know exactly what you are, when they called me.

 

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Russia Trump Collusion, Ukrainian phone call impeachment, FISA warrant fraud, McGabe lies to FBI, Politizing the Virus. Hunter Biden takes millions in influence peddling, Hillary paid for the Steele Dossier and signed off on the idea of using it to deflect from her illegal server. But you think Trump is corrupt. how naive.

Ummm...you just composed a list of discredited rightwing conspiracy theories and fake scandals...and you think that was persuasive in some way?

Let's see:

• -Trump did collude. That's been settled for a long time now. It's not arguable. Read the Muller Report...both parts. Read the Bipartisan, Republican-authored Senate Report.
• -Trump was rightfully impeached for the Ukrainian scandal. There is no GOPer defense for that.
• -The FISA Warrants were both warranted and legal....and were all approved by REPUBLICAN judges on the FISA Court. Again...this is a debunked wingnut conspiracy.
• -McCabe's case was minor and had ZERO to do with Trump. As FBI Director, he was authorized to leak to the the media...which he did. His mistake was "lying" to Comey about it, because he knew Comey would not have approved of it. That's got NOTHING to do with Trump.
• -And "politicizing the virus"??? That's just dumb. Everyone knows that it was Trump who politicized that the entire pandemic. And when Trump wasn't politicizing the virus...he was LYING about it.
• -Hunter Biden is (and always was) a "Nothing Burger".
• -Hillary did NOT pay for the Steele Dossier (not that it would matter if she did). And, for the record, almost every single detail in the "Dossier" that has been investigated...has been proven ACCURATE.
• -Hillary's personal server was NOT illegal. Sorry. Truth matters.

Now, if you'd like to dig into the details of any of the conspiracy theories and fake scandals you listed, we can certainly do that.

But the bottom line here is that NONE of the above has anything to do with the REAL crimes and corruption we've experienced in 4 years of Trumpism.

So, yes....Trump is not simply corrupt. He's the single most corrupt, dishonest, incompetent and malevolent president in the HISTORY of this great country. I'm not sure if you are naïve, brainwashed or just dishonest....but something is clearly missing inside your brain, if you truly believe what you wrote, above.

 

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It's sad watching the left make excuses for supporting Marxist ideas by lying about conservatives. The very best protection for all people of all races is the US Constitution, economic advancement and personal safety and security. Nothing the left advocates promotes any of these.